Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

[emtbeast]

A little bird told me: the new Levo will have variable geometry, it can be a mullet or a 29er and it will have an integrated battery with three sizes, 450, 600 and 800 W/h plus an optional 250 W/h range extender.

If what you say is true then they definitely used 21700 or the newer 22700 cells.

800Wh pack:
42(14S3P)cells x 3,65V x 5,3Ah = 813 Wh

There are a few of different cell brands out there that can be used for this application. The pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 3,9kg. It also goes in line with the Brose battery capacity in the other post.

The pack can be even a higher capacity if they choose a higher capacity cell. I. e. a 5,8Ah cell would result in an 889Wh pack.
These cells weigh cca 74g, only cells would weigh cca 3,1 kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 4kg.
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600Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x
5,8Ah/5,9Ah = 593Wh/603Wh

There are by my knowledge only three manufacturers that make a cell with this high capacity Keeppower P2160C, LG M58T, LISHEN 5800. As already said these cells weigh cca 74g, so only cells would weigh 2,1kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 2,7kg.

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450Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x 4,5Ah = 460Wh

There is a variety of cells out there with this or a capacity close that they could use.

There was a comment of a Brose 468Wh pack...which would imply to this configuration.

What I would hope is that for this smaller battery pack they used cells with a high discharge current spec like the Molicel P45B. That would result in a lightweight ebike that has a battery pack almost without any noticeable battery sag.
The weight of this battery could be really good as the cell weighs cca 68g, that would mean cells only would weigh 1,9kg, add housing and parts and we have a 2,5kg lightweight pack with high discharge capabilities made for race applications where consistent power throughout the race is better and it would not overheat fast.
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250Wh pack(extender):
14(14S1P)cells x 3,65V x 4,9Ah = 252Wh
There are a lot of cell brands with a similar or close capacity out there to choose for this application. I guess the extender could have a weight of 1,3 kg if done properly.

 

[MLX John]

Agreed. Never liked the design with the asymmetrical shock stay. Guessing that’s a small frame, so the bulk of the motor looks disproportionately worse.



Suspect the design of the output stage of the motor (gears vs belt drive, bearing design/quality, etc) has a bigger impact than 80nm vs 90nm.

S4

I like it.

This is a warranty replacement. I was not a fan of the Maroon color on the previous frame...and it didn't say S-Works on it

 

[etoni]

If what you say is true then they definitely used 21700 or the newer 22700 cells.

800Wh pack:
42(14S3P)cells x 3,65V x 5,3Ah = 813 Wh

There are a few of different cell brands out there that can be used for this application. The pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 3,9kg. It also goes in line with the Brose battery capacity in the other post.

The pack can be even a higher capacity if they choose a higher capacity cell. I. e. a 5,8Ah cell would result in an 889Wh pack.
These cells weigh cca 74g, only cells would weigh cca 3,1 kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 4kg.
____________________________

600Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x
5,8Ah/5,9Ah = 593Wh/603Wh

There are by my knowledge only three manufacturers that make a cell with this high capacity Keeppower P2160C, LG M58T, LISHEN 5800. As already said these cells weigh cca 74g, so only cells would weigh 2,1kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 2,7kg.

_____________________________

450Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x 4,5Ah = 460Wh

There is a variety of cells out there with this or a capacity close that they could use.

There was a comment of a Brose 468Wh pack...which would imply to this configuration.

What I would hope is that for this smaller battery pack they used cells with a high discharge current spec like the Molicel P45B. That would result in a lightweight ebike that has a battery pack almost without any noticeable battery sag.
The weight of this battery could be really good as the cell weighs cca 68g, that would mean cells only would weigh 1,9kg, add housing and parts and we have a 2,5kg lightweight pack with high discharge capabilities made for race applications where consistent power throughout the race is better and it would not overheat fast.
____________________________

250Wh pack(extender):
14(14S1P)cells x 3,65V x 4,9Ah = 252Wh
There are a lot of cell brands with a similar or close capacity out there to choose for this application. I guess the extender could have a weight of 1,3 kg if done properly.

I need fast charging 12 amp

 

[SimonDee]

I need fast charging 12 amp

I don't get this fast charging thing. The harder you hit the battery the more it degrades the chemistry. It's not like you can charge it half way round the mountain... I want a slow charge option

 

[emtbeast]

I need fast charging 12 amp

If they retained the Brose ecosystem then you are limited to this:

Brose also share intriguing details about their 48V batteries: The Smart Fast Charger is designed to charge at a rate of 220-250W, with the maximum charging power peaking at 350W. As per Brose’s information, this translates to a full battery charge time of approximately 3 to 4 hours.

 

[Dax]

S4

I like it.

This is a warranty replacement. I was not a fan of the Maroon color on the previous frame...and it didn't say S-Works on it

I like them in red. And the metallic green. If my mate didn’t have the red I’d own one. Rides so well.

 

[Nomadic Dad]

New Levo is hitting UK stores in April from what I've been told by a reliable offline source so can't be long until the full details are online

 

[David666]

Februray 4th ?

 

[Dax]

Stand by for the leaks

 

[Doomanic]

Leeks?

 

[Moderator]

Stand by for the leaks

 

[DylanJM]

Stand by for the leaks

We've made it this far with absolutely nothing concrete. It's actually very impressive.

 

[Bermo EMTB]

New Levo is hitting UK stores in April from what I've been told by a reliable offline source so can't be long until the full details are online

well i hope your source is more reliable than my Levo

 

[Citylad77]

Februray 4th ?

i was told 20th? by one that has seen and had a go on the bike

 

[cozzy]

There was mention of a bike under heavy embargo appearing in a video this coming Sunday on the gmbn tech channel.
Of course it may be a boring old pedalbike, but no-one cares about them anymore do they?

 

[Larsey]

Februray 4th ?

If memory serves me, the Levo SL was released on Feb 4 2020. Probably a good date for the new Levo

 

[sluette]

If memory serves me, the Levo SL was released on Feb 4 2020. Probably a good date for the new Levo

impressed! good memory...

Exclusive review: New sub 17 kg Specialized S-Works Levo SL 2020 with a brand new motor concept – a new way of riding bikes?

The new sub 17 kg Specialized S-Works Levo SL 2020 in test with a brand new motor concept. Is this a new way of riding bikes?

ebike-mtb.com

 

[emtbeast]

Really impressive!
Almost 2000 mt of elevation, in 3 hours…!View attachment 153439

Hey just for comparison and a wider understanding how good systems are becoming. I think this is pretty impressive...what this guy on yt did:


New Bosch CX gen5 all in turbo mode,
The 800Wh +250Wh extender,
Time of 2h5min,
Average speed 15,5kmh
Average incline of 8,5%,
His ride ready weight 75kg,
Bike weight 23,7 kg(800Wh+250Wh),
Distance 32,6km,
Altitude gain 2705m.

What I liked is the fact that the main pack and the extender worked in dual mode(discharged simultaneously) until 10% remaining on the main battery pack.

I think the new Bosch is still a contender, despite it's low torque figures, there is more to see there I guess...the improved thermal stability(seen from lab tests) could imply to a torque bump in the future.

I am eager to see how the new Brose is in comparison.

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[gbcoke]

Bosch is not just a contender,it's the leading system at the moment when you take into account service and proven reliability.
And once the 100nm and wireless screen arrive this summer,it will be up there with any other system in terms of features and tech.

 

[Biano44]

Bosch is not just a contender,it's the leading system at the moment when you take into account service and proven reliability.
And once the 100nm and wireless screen arrive this summer,it will be up there with any other system in terms of features and tech.

But will still be behind on peak power by 20%

 

[emtbeast]

But will still be behind on peak power by 20%

If you raise force(Nm) the Power(W) raises by nature(physics).

P(W) = F(Nm) x RPM

The difference will be minimal.

 

[David666]

i was told 20th? by one that has seen and had a go on the bike

Just a guess

 

[sethimus]

What I liked is the fact that the main pack and the extender worked in dual mode(discharged simultaneously) until 10% remaining on the main battery pack.

why? thats fucking stupid. range extender should be empty first, like on the rise, so it can go back to the backpack. who wants to change the weight distribution of the bike and general handling for 90% of the riding?

 

[emtbeast]

why? thats fucking stupid. range extender should be empty first, like on the rise, so it can go back to the backpack. who wants to change the weight distribution of the bike and general handling for 90% of the riding?

It's optional as far as I know, and a range extender on it's own is really weak to consistently power a FF ebike. Probably the name 》range extender 《 says that it's not meant for trail riding, but to extend range, so more for the long days in the wilderness, at the end it's personal choice...

Broke the thread a bit with this back to the Levo shall we

Any leaks in sight

 

[sethimus]

yes, a range extender, not a weight extender. i used the rise one to get up the (first) mountain, then had a full main battery for the rest of the trip. and no extra weight on the downhill that makes the bike feel sluggish due to increased center of weight

 

[Doomanic]

why? thats fucking stupid. range extender should be empty first, like on the rise, so it can go back to the backpack. who wants to change the weight distribution of the bike and general handling for 90% of the riding?

Yeah, cos who doesn't want a heavy inflexible lump in their backpack when they fall off...

 

[Fangs2k]

yes, a range extender, not a weight extender. i used the rise one to get up the (first) mountain, then had a full main battery for the rest of the trip. and no extra weight on the downhill that makes the bike feel sluggish due to increased center of weight

What do you do with the discharged range extender after the first climb, throw it in the bushes?

Ok, so it’s in your back pack, but it doesn’t really make that much difference surely.

I use range extenders on both my Jam2 and the Levo SL, they work fine for an extended ride, but the main benefit is when you leave them behind on shorter rides, it’s good to have the option is the point.

 

[mtbrider]

2025 Levo will have an ~850WH battery with an optional 250~300WH range extender. The battery will be modular and can be taken out from the side of the frame, allowing for quick swaps, there will also be no drag when running no battery. There will also be a 600WH option to save weight.

The normal models will come with 100NM of Torque. The S-works model will have 111NM of Torque.

The S-works will be priced around $18,000.

Release will be early to mid april.

 

[412MTB]

2025 Levo will have an ~850WH battery with an optional 250~300WH range extender. The battery will be modular and can be taken out from the side of the frame, allowing for quick swaps, there will also be no drag when running no battery. There will also be a 600WH option to save weight.

The normal models will come with 100NM of Torque. The S-works model will have 111NM of Torque.

The S-works will be priced around $18,000.

Release will be early to mid april.

$18,000? In what country/currency?

 

[sethimus]

What do you do with the discharged range extender after the first climb, throw it in the bushes?

Ok, so it’s in your back pack, but it doesn’t really make that much difference surely.

I use range extenders on both my Jam2 and the Levo SL, they work fine for an extended ride, but the main benefit is when you leave them behind on shorter rides, it’s good to have the option is the point.

re on the bike changes handling on the way down, re in the backpack adds about the same weight of all the water i drank on the way up, so my pack wheighs about the same as on the bottom of the hill, yet the bike handles as it should. if you don't feel the difference, you don't really bike