Pole Voima 190mm Travel EMTB

[Paul Mac]

What bar rise and stem length are people using on the Voima?

 

[DaveyPetey]

About to put my order in for a frame set. Any reason not to go with race axles if it will see drops, rock gardens, etc on the regular? Overly stiff with a fox 40 up front and we are one carbon DH hoops? Also wondering if those who went with the 40 up front left it up at 203mm or went down to 190mm? TIA.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Yes for race axels.
Carbon hoops would be like putting magnesium wheels on a tank. Not really any sense at all unless just purely for the bling.
Dual crown 40 at 200 already has a lower A2C than the RS 190mm so dropping the front another cm just means lower BB if/when you ever bottom out.

Did you get a ride in the Voima yet?

 

[jbrown15]

Yes for race axels.
Carbon hoops would be like putting magnesium wheels on a tank. Not really any sense at all unless just purely for the bling.
Dual crown 40 at 200 already has a lower A2C than the RS 190mm so dropping the front another cm just means lower BB if/when you ever bottom out.

I would say the carbon rims he wants to get would be up for the task, plus a life time no questions ask warranty doesn’t exactly hurt.

The newest WeAreOne Convergence series is also 30% stronger than the Strife. With only a 10g weight penalty.

 

[DaveyPetey]

Yes. Those are for sure up to the task. And he’d be able to go years with out needing them trued. But my take is that the bikes ass end has so much damn flex that having a carbon rim has no benefit outside of those factors. The bikes rear will flex plenty to never worry about bending a rim from landing whips sideways so might as well have aluminium because other than too low tire pressure damage I think it’ll be hard to make a rear wobble with so much give on the rear of these bikes. I have a strife on the front of the Voima right now until I can find an adapter for the e deemax to run 20/110.

I assume you mean lateral and rotational flex? I wondered about that with the single arm.

 

[Onetime]

About to put my order in for a frame set. Any reason not to go with race axles if it will see drops, rock gardens, etc on the regular? Overly stiff with a fox 40 up front and we are one carbon DH hoops? Also wondering if those who went with the 40 up front left it up at 203mm or went down to 190mm? TIA.

I think it’s fine either way on the race axles. They weren’t available when I got my frameset but I don’t notice the rear end to be too flexy either. But if I had the option when I ordered mine, I’d have gotten them. I also have carbon wheels with Berd spokes and they’re awesome. Not too stiff and they’re lighter and stronger than aluminum. I also feel like they can accelerate faster and stop faster then heavier aluminum wheels. And also a yes on the running my 40 at full 203 travel. Mine is a K1 with a drop crown, so I can raise or lower my legs in the crown to adjust the a/c if I want. And to Bamboda, If you feel like the reared is already really flexy, (I don’t) why would you want to put a flexy aluminum wheel on it, opposed to a stiffer stronger carbon wheel? That’s like saying its already flexy, so let me make it even flexier with aluminum wheels.

 

[Jay29er]

Anybody waiting on the race motor builds?

 

[DaveyPetey]

Anybody waiting on the race motor builds?

Have you heard they will get some from Bosch?

 

[Jay29er]

No wondering what others have heard.

 

[DaveyPetey]

No wondering what others have heard.

From what I read they are in extremely limited in supply and only going to manufacturers that has actual race teams. Completely hearsay, though.

 

[Jay29er]

Thanks for the heads up. Still debating….

 

[Onetime]

Thanks for the heads up. Still debating….

I emailed Pole about that when they first came out and they said you should be able to get one as an option with a new order this year, (probably around Spring) but probably not for existing Voima owners. But I would imagine you should be able to order one from any Bosch dealer eventually.

 

[DaveyPetey]

For this testing I was holding the camera and seat tube in one hand with the seat pressed against the wall and with thumb and pointer finger pushing and pulling at the rim (bad elbow so not full power of 1 finger/thumb).

Voima flex

Shared using GoPro

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With the race axels it’ll be 30% stiffer. So if on a side landing I get 3cm of flex (highly likely) it’ll now be 2cm of flex. Which is still more flex than my 15kg Levo SL. Mind you this bike is over 56lbs.





good point but I go carbon on my other bikes because my aluminium rear wheels don’t last more than a week at the bike park. However with the Voima the rear will absorb all of the flex and I won’t have to worry about the rim. Also a rims flex is a fraction of this bikes rear.

I find it to be uncomfortably flexiable for hard riding. It’s not exactly built solely for seated riding. It’s a 190mm travel bike and is not built around seated riding like a Porsche isn’t built for groceries.
I’ve only been able to get a couple rides in and mostly in the mud.

Once the mud freezes I’ll do a couple local DH runs with a camera on the rear to see how it is while riding. The gyroscopic effect will minimise this flex greatly while at speed.


-on a good note. It takes the cake for suspension feel. If they could stiffen the rear and make a 7 speed park bike I’d buy it in a heart beat!!!!

that shaky ass.

Something isn't right to have that much play in the clip. You sure everything is torqued down correctly?

 

[Dozer]

Have you heard they will get some from Bosch?

They will.
I think each bike company will receive 500 motors, so it is a limited run.
If you are interested in a build with the Racing motor you can contact Pole and ask to be included on the list of people interested. I think Bosch will deliver in the spring.

 

[Karve]

Something isn't right to have that much play in the clip. You sure everything is torqued down correctly?

I've got the normal axles on mine and in pulling it around by hand id say there is a smidge more flex than there was with my Rail. Ive transferred the parts over so it s a like for like comparison. It also tracks off camber stuff & tech chunk & roots a bit better than the Rail most likely due to the tiny bit more flex. It holds an off-camber line so well! Flex isn't bad its part of the ride characteristic which the designer should tune to have the right amount. WC mechanics spend a bunch of time tuning spokes to have more or less wheel flex to meet what their riders want. They don't build the stiffest wheel possible by default. I think unless you are huge & heavy or an absolute berm slapping shhhhhhhreddddaaaahhh Leo's got it spot on.... but good there may be an option to tweak it in the future.

 

[InRustWeTrust]

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Her Name is Big Gurl. Because she’s more than 10kg heavier than all my other bikes.

Is it a range extender you have in the front of the shock ?. Really nice bike btw , i am not jealous

 

[Paul Mac]

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Her Name is Big Gurl. Because she’s more than 10kg heavier than all my other bikes.

Loving the bike, looks beautiful.
Notice you got the K1 size.
How tall are you if you don't mind me asking?
I'm 175cm and am torn between K1 or K2, I normally ride a size medium.
Do you think the Voima comes up as big as the Reach numbers suggest?

 

[Deleted member 9685]

Loving the bike, looks beautiful.
Notice you got the K1 size.
How tall are you if you don't mind me asking?
I'm 175cm and am torn between K1 or K2, I normally ride a size medium.
Do you think the Voima comes up as big as the Reach numbers suggest?

It’s a K2. I’m 5’9” (175cm).

The in the saddle reach feels perfect for me. 38mm rise bars. Standing it feels like my V10 (other than weight). This is for sure a go fast bike but with all the wobble in the rear I’m not sure I’ll keep it.

Size can be pretty subjective. My go fast DH bike is a 2022 SC V10 in large. My big air DH bike ks a 2022 Scott gambler in small. My enduro is a v3 wreckoning in medium. Levo SL is a medium too.

This bike is the longest for sure. Can’t really do much review when my trails are all leaf covered slime or mud right now. The small jumps that I have sent even at high speed the back end wobbles like a mofo. So for sure get the race axels unless you really don’t leave the seat or ground.

Or ride like @Karve who only feels a “smidge more flex” in the rear…..

Is it a range extender you have in the front of the shock ?. Really nice bike btw , i am not jealous

Thanks bro. It’s for the lupine alpha light.

 

[cozzy]

It does feel like these 'race axles' are an acknowledgement they got it wrong & I suspect they will be the default fitment once they have got rid of the current batch of standard axles.

 

[Paul Mac]

I concur. There’s just no way they felt that that much flex is acceptable. If it was a trail bike where it would spend all its time planted on the ground by a spinner sure but not a 190mm bike that’s cat 5 DH approved. And the fact that there’s not one review w/o race axels. Be a nice gesture if they sent me a set.

Not trying to be all negative. The rear suspension feels amazing.

Thanks a lot! It was only the sizing I was concerned about, now you've got me worried about axles as well.

 

[Onetime]

Weird, I haven’t really heard anyone else complain about this, myself included and my bike has about 700 miles on it mostly on chunky black diamond trails fast DH and bike park with jumps and drops. The reason they made the race axles was for their e-EWS race team pros who are ridiculously fast and also for heavyweight riders. I’m about 180lbs with my gear on and I think I’m fairly fast for an old geezer who used to race MX and MTB and I don’t feel like the rear end is anymore flexy than any of my other bikes, in fact my Intense M9 has more rear end flex and that’s not much. I’m also not aware of any of the other reviews using the race axles, including Rob’s review if I’m not mistaken. All bikes have some flex and it’s often a good thing. It increases traction, especially with off camber turns and whatnot, but I don’t feel like the Voima has anymore flex than other bikes and it’s definitely not excessive in my eyes. That being said, if you’re worried about it and you’re heavy or super fast, just order your bike with the race axles.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Jesus. Ok

When did Jesus join in ?

I can't see his comments, must have me blocked ..

 

[PeeDee]

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Her Name is Big Gurl. Because she’s more than 10kg heavier than all my other bikes.

Hi nice raw Voima, did you get the protective film or not?

 

[Zimmerframe]

You treat your bikes like your women, ride them once or twice then cast them aside ! ;-)

I'll PM you ..

 

[PeeDee]

Yes. I haven’t layed the bike down so can’t say if the aluminium scars easily.
Finally added silver Öhlins stickers. So now it’s complete. Zimm come get it.
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Hi, LOOKS cool! what offset fork crown did you use?

 

[King Liu]

If I understand correctly, you have been waiting for 2 months already? I feel sorry for you!

For my order placed on January 8, Chris told me 3 weeks of production/assembly time. I have no idea how long it will take to deliver.

For those of you who had it shipped in Europe with free shipping, how long did it take?

I'm a week off three months since I placed the order and my card was charged. I'm going to ask for a refund at the end of this week. It's not likely it's ever coming, there's been no shipping update since the fourth of November, and they can work things out with the shipping company at their own pace. I'd avoid the free shipping bait if I had my time over, it's just not worth it.

 

[Dozer]

Anyone heard any news about Mini Remote/ System Controller on the Voima?
I just don't like the LED Remote.

The new Orbea Wild starting to look tempting and I can get 25% discount on a preorder deal, but I have to decide within a week.

 

[Yorkshire Heathen]

Out with ma dawgs.

 

[rzr]

How is the bike on slower trails? with all that travel, length and weight ?

I didn't want ebike that weights more than 22.5-23kg and has more than 160mm travel just to keep it playful. (I have Sender for bike parks).

 

[rzr]

slow trail - it means very twisty with trees around, or very steep where you go slowly with full brakes control, definitely descents are not for sitting
maybe I have a video somewhere