rb.
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With the known shimano motor issues I can’t imagine you’ll get it much sooner than anyone else.
commencal 2021
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I was really hoping they would bring out an EMTB version of this, will be disappointed if they dont
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Review: 2021 Commencal Meta TR 29 - T is for Turbo - Pinkbike
Commencal's burly trail bike has morphed into something different for 2021.
ShaneBean
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I can't see wanting 140mm travel on a ebike. It's not like climbing is hard with a 170 ebike. Best of both worlds plus downs and easy ups. I have a jeffsy 29 (140) and it sucks being under gunned through really gnarly tech. Only reason to go 140 and lower is to make the climbing livable.I was really hoping they would bring out an EMTB version of this, will be disappointed if they dont
Review: 2021 Commencal Meta TR 29 - T is for Turbo - Pinkbike
Commencal's burly trail bike has morphed into something different for 2021.
I disagree, its got nothing to do with climbing, I dont need more than 150mm travel unless doing proper DH stuff, and value a pumped up trail bike over a big old enduro barge for my local riding (Surrey Hills) where most of the big rigs are just too big to be fun. I often use my hardtail EMTB over my Enduro for some rides as it a lot snappier and more manoeuvrable, even though hardtail EMTB's are pretty brutal to ride on tech stuff.
I cant see why Commencal couldn't bring out a shorter travel bike, 500wwh battery to save weight and built up to circa 21kg, that tough enough for most stuff but also more fun to ride. Most long travel EMTB's are monster trucks, and monster trucking gets boring after a while.
In the normal MTB world IMO bikes like the TR are where its at, perfect mix of being able to get rowdy, but also a snappy ride - even though a motor overcomes the peddling issues found on normal big travel enduro bikes, it doesn't mean you should just go f it and get a big travel bike if your trails and riding dont demand it.
RickBullotta
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Not sure I agree. If most of what you ride is tight and twisty, a 170mm bike, slacked out and with a much longer wheelbase, is not going to get through those trails as fast as a 140mm bike.
mastakilla
Member
I almost ordered new commencal but after seeing how the EP8 is pretty underpowered compared with Bosch and Brose, I am really glad I did not.
The Flying Dutchman
E*POWAH Master
Huh? Does your riding only consist of full power uphill blasts?
Max power output is only there if needed and shouldn't be the deciding factor when buying a bike
Matt_Rider
Member
Think you're kind of missing the point. How often are you drag racing uphill? I read somewhere that over 90% of people only use Eco and Trail so how relevant is the max power issue? How much more important is reliability, integration, noise, feeling?
I'm dying to get my hands on my Merida e-One Sixty 9000 when it arrives. My only annoyance if anything is the rattle on coasting and I ride listening to music so that's a void issue to me.
Ordered a Power SX, can't wait it's going to be my first emtb and first monster truck only ridden bikes with 140 travel so far.
I want to protect the Frame abit extra and was wondering if some of you lads know what fits and would be good for the task, was looking at META POWER 27.5 / 29 2020
But not sure the 2020 will fit 2021?
I want to protect the Frame abit extra and was wondering if some of you lads know what fits and would be good for the task, was looking at META POWER 27.5 / 29 2020
But not sure the 2020 will fit 2021?
mastakilla
Member
I just cant imagine buying the least powerful motor seems to defy logic, but maybe that's just me
The reality of EMTB's is that all the motors do the job, and its actually the power delivery that seperates them in terms of riding experience - I still love the e8000 motor, even though it isn't the most powerful, because for me its the most natural to ride and replicates and reacts to rider imputes in the most similar way to ring a normal bike, at least for me and my riding. I have never ever thought I wish I had more power, in fact I would probably be happy with a bit less power if it meant a more efficient system.
rb.
Active member
I saw that video as well and was a little disappointed to see the EP8 get smoked on the uphill sprint. In 95% of my rides I’m never sprinting uphill on my ebike, but as someone who does plan to race my ebike in Enduros, having one of the weaker motors is not ideal. But not a deal breaker, still can’t wait to get my Commencal.
aklemm
New Member
I agree with you 100%.
I thought the 2021 Commencal would be my next bike knowing it would be a great price point with good specs. I wanted the larger 630Wh battery and assumed the frame travel would be similar to the 2019 and 2020 models... 140mm-150mm. It was a let down for me when the Commencal was released with 160/170mm of travel. I don't want a heavy monster truck bike that plows over everything, I wanted a capable trail bike with a (relatively) short rear end.
I really think Commencal should have kept the SX 27.5 as their 170-180mm agressive enduro/freeride/park/downhill bike and kept the Meta 29 as a 140-150mm all mountain/trail bike to compete with the Decoy 29, Turbo Levo and Trek Rail.
I ended up buying a Specialized Turbo Levo SL. 150mm feels perfect and at 42lbs with a 1217mm wheelbase/437mm chain stays, it givs the bike some maneuverability compared to Commencal's 55lb bike and 1286mm wheelbase/453mm chain stays.
Had some calls with commencal in the last 2 weeks. Thought I’d share the info I got from them:
They really think December is the earliest that they will receive the Shimano motors, this means that delivery will most probably be for January earliest
The Signature 29 will not be coming back in the white/blue color but in the white/black (same as the team edition) delivery of those is planned in February 2021, there will be no other colors for the Signature edition
There will be a Öhlins model, also delivery February 2021
They really think December is the earliest that they will receive the Shimano motors, this means that delivery will most probably be for January earliest
The Signature 29 will not be coming back in the white/blue color but in the white/black (same as the team edition) delivery of those is planned in February 2021, there will be no other colors for the Signature edition
There will be a Öhlins model, also delivery February 2021
Same same
I agree. I dont think I even used turbo mode on the e8000 more than a handful of times. Always trail or eco. So max power not at all important for me. As for the noise, which is my biggest bitch about the EP8 (other than its not available), I'd rather have a quiet bike going uphill when its obvious you are riding an ebike, rather than some knocks going downhill when all kinds of things can rattle anyway. The EP8 is virtually silent uphill, quietest of them all. And excellent integration with the small screen and small motor. The gargantuan motor complex on the Levo is a total turnoff. This all matters for me as ebikes are "outlawed" on local trails here currently. Stupid.
Fitst line of the description does state « The image of this model is not a photo but in fact a 3D representation. The studio photos with the specs listed below will be available very shortly »
Still bit sloppy, thanks for work you did, must say that with the golden kashima parts the black & white one does look better then full black components on the team one.
And they won’t be changing the spec, that would be incorrect to the people who pre-order now
Still bit sloppy, thanks for work you did, must say that with the golden kashima parts the black & white one does look better then full black components on the team one.
And they won’t be changing the spec, that would be incorrect to the people who pre-order now
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noblige
Member
Had a chat with Commencal USA today - they still believe early pre-orders will ship end of December.
gbarfoot
Active member
Depends on frame size and model if it says FEB then it is FEB, I spoke with them today too and decided to pull my preorder as I found another bike in stock locally and can have it friday
Curious what you bought instead?
gbarfoot
Active member
2021 giant trance x e1..... Not the same style of bike exactly, but form the sounds of it it seems like a good do it all bike, now with a big battery and a reliable yamaha motor. And decent spec for the price .
rb.
Active member
But it’s a Giant...
ShaneBean
Member
It's interesting to me seeing ppl swap between bikes due to limited availability. I decided on the geo, travel, and then price I wanted before I picked the bike I wanted. Then I wanted to make sure the brand had good customer support. That's how I decided on the bike I wanted. It seems impatience has people swapping to completely different bikes.
rb.
Active member
Agreed. I want a Kenevo SL, but swapped over to the 2021 Commencal due to availability, which is a completely different bike. Will hopefully end up keeping the Commencal for at least a year.
gbarfoot
Active member
I guess it depends on where you are in the sport, if you have something to ride currently, and what you already know you want. This will be my first bike so I'm not entirely sure what geo and specs are best for me and my terrain yet. I had a few metrics but they were not that precise...just enough to get me in the ballpark. Value for spec, reliability, something that appears to be good for local terrain..., multiple bikes fit the bill for my first bike. I liked commencal as they are local and seem to have excellent support, but honestly the meta 29 might be too much bike for what I will want to ride? The ep8, or any first year motor for that fact, is an unknown for reliability.
Currently availability is the biggest issue for most. I do know that when the snow starts to fall high up in the mountains and I can't ride my dirtbike anymore I can still access local lower elev mtb trails.....and those few extra months of riding will be enjoyable, and help keep me sane.
Side note:
I do have to say as someone (dirtbike) that's been eyeing emtbs for awhile, covid pushed me over the edge. One being working from home and a bit more flexibility in my schedule. Locally a mtb is a lot easier to get out and enjoy in a shorter amount of time with a bit less commitment.
Currently availability is the biggest issue for most. I do know that when the snow starts to fall high up in the mountains and I can't ride my dirtbike anymore I can still access local lower elev mtb trails.....and those few extra months of riding will be enjoyable, and help keep me sane.
Side note:
I do have to say as someone (dirtbike) that's been eyeing emtbs for awhile, covid pushed me over the edge. One being working from home and a bit more flexibility in my schedule. Locally a mtb is a lot easier to get out and enjoy in a shorter amount of time with a bit less commitment.
