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No idea mate just yet, I reckon late summer if I was to guess.The 160mm looks an interesting option.
I'm 6'1 and currently on an E160 XL.....it feels a little big, but the L is too small.....even the Kado size L is too small.
Looking at the geo of these, the Karve is quite a bit longer than the E160 and could be a decent option.....
@Rob Rides EMTB any idea of release date yet?
Thanks
I’m surprised they’ve not stated weights for these - they must surely have built up a few frames, how difficult is it to put one on a scale?The Karve EVO is 23.9 in top spec (quoted)
I'd expect this one in full carbon to be more like 22.5-23KG
Think evo version is being delivered first according to retailerphoned the shop for an update on my medium Karve RSX. September delivery date for mine. I’m in Scotland
Is it a lighter mainframe? From the limited info I can find the main differences are fork, shock & rear triangle?I’m surprised they’ve not stated weights for these - they must surely have built up a few frames, how difficult is it to put one on a scale?
c300g less for each of the fork and shock. A lighter mainframe and the carbon rear end. The rest of the build looks the same so It’s going to be in Rob’s range.
Maybe not for the first year or so.Do you think Whyte will offer a carbon rear triangle for the evo RSX at a later date to bring the weight down slightly? And realistically, would we even notice any difference?
Do you think it's actually the same frame with only the linkage changing? So no weight saving between the two bikes there (only the carbon rear on the top end Karve)Maybe not for the first year or so.
The frames look identical in terms of geo between the Karve and the Evo so no doubt its possible, but they might just want to keep costs down a bit so keep with the alloy on the Evo.
Very possible that its only the shock stroke and fork length changed that seperate the two bikes (other than the carbon rear triangle)Do you think it's actually the same frame with only the linkage changing? So no weight saving between the two bikes there (only the carbon rear on the top end Karve)
A reply on insta from Whyte confirms the frames are identical between the two bikesVery possible that its only the shock stroke and fork length changed that seperate the two bikes (other than the carbon rear triangle)
If you wanted to, I recknon you could get the karve full carbon and create a full carbon Evo version. Although I've not seen the Karve in the flesh to confirm its the exact same linkage.
I never buy a bike if the manufacturer doesn't list the weight, or if the word "weight" is usted to offer a philosophical lesson on whether weight is even important. A bike has many components clearly specified in the catalogs; they explain its geometry, its advantages, and its technology in great detail, but apparently they don't dare tell you how much it will weigh. I've always considered this lack of transparency disrespectful to the consumer.I’m surprised they’ve not stated weights for these - they must surely have built up a few frames, how difficult is it to put one on a scale?
c300g less for each of the fork and shock. A lighter mainframe and the carbon rear end. The rest of the build looks the same so It’s going to be in Rob’s range.
I’m sure that’s a response to the 160/160 models, what we’re after is a comparison of the 160/160 & 180/180 frames. I could be wrongA reply on insta from Whyte confirms the frames are identical between the two bikes
Cool.A reply on insta from Whyte confirms the frames are identical between the two bikes
The question in the comments was specifically asked if the frame was the same between the Karve and Karve Evo with only stroke length differentiating the models, Whyte replied that understanding was correctI’m sure that’s a response to the 160/160 models, what we’re after is a comparison of the 160/160 & 180/180 frames. I could be wrong
Nice one!The question in the comments was specifically asked if the frame was the same between the Karve and Karve Evo with only stroke length differentiating the models, Whyte replied that understanding was correct![]()
I've ordered a 160/160, even longer wait for meNice one!
In this case I’m glad I’ve stuck with the EVO RSX. Plenty of scope for changing things later if required.
Now the long wait till August![]()
Yeah I notice they haven't got anything about low COG in their sales pitch this time. That's probably because the Avinox batteries are long and thin, so there is necessarily lots of weight near the head tube. The Avinox motor is also lighter than Bosch CX, which will affect the distribution of weight. And according to their geo chart, the BB is also really high. For those reasons, I wouldn't expect them to handle as well as their other bikes, but hard to tell without a demo.I just got a bargain whyte elyte works from a friend its so good its got me worried about my druid ecore. Thinking the karve could be best of both worlds, handling of the elyte power of the avinox with big battery. I do wonder if the elytes great handling and playfulness is due to the battery being so low tho. Too many good bikes out atm!
A uni‑directional carbon mainframe means the bike’s main frame is built primarily from carbon fibres all laid in one direction, rather than woven. This gives higher stiffness and strength in the load‑bearing directions and is the modern standard forhigh‑performance frames.on Whyte website, in the tech sheet of the karve evo rsx, i've noticed this :
"Uni-directional carbon mainframe"
Doest it mean the frame is made with 'carbon forge' or 'revved carbon' technology ?
pretty much all mtb/EMTB frames are uni directional then multi in areas that need strengtheningA uni‑directional carbon mainframe means the bike’s main frame is built primarily from carbon fibres all laid in one direction, rather than woven. This gives higher stiffness and strength in the load‑bearing directions and is the modern standard forhigh‑performance frames.
That’s from copilot, although I’m not sure it answers your question
Ive been riding a Gen2 Kenevo for last 5years (and 29er'd it following your videos). Great bike although now on its 4th Motor FFS! But Ive just ordered a Karve to replace it !!This thing is so close to one of my favourite ever bikes, the Full Fat Kenevo, its geo, suspension design and layout. Could even 29er it at the back and it would be so close to how I was running my full 29 gen 2 kenevo.
Currently my most wanted bike to try!
Such a good bike other than that motor! New Karve should be a great replacement.Ive been riding a Gen2 Kenevo for last 5years (and 29er'd it following your videos). Great bike although now on its 4th Motor FFS! But Ive just ordered a Karve to replace it !!