What would you like from your next ebike?

What would you prefer to improve in your next ebike?

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Before you vote, imagine this: your ideal next e-bike is almost ready. Same geometry, same motor, same battery, same price — everything exactly as on the e-bike you already love (or dream of loving).

Now you are allowed to change only two things. Pick the two features that would truly make a difference for you.

e-bike, not necessarily e-MTB
 
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I'm assuming it's 30% lighter (at same range) and 30% more range (at same weight).
 
If I'm stuck with my same bike, then I'd vote for longer range and faster.
But what I really want is not an option you offer.
More torque and increased max power.
So that I can keep up with my riding buddy who (him+bike) is 22% ligher than me.
 
steve_sordy said:
If I'm stuck with my same bike, then I'd vote for longer range and faster.
But what I really want is not an option you offer.
More torque and increased max power.
So that I can keep up with my riding buddy who (him+bike) is 22% ligher than me.
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I added those two options. You can change your responses. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
I’d want three things: lighter, longer range and fully legally unrestricted.

In NZ, it’s largely the case that we have unrestricted motors anyway, so the first two would be nice.
 
Someone design and build some high energy density batteries!
That would get me real interested in upgrading. I love my bike with 400wh battery in there, if i can get the same weight with 800wh capacity that would be awesome.

While battery density/weight/capacity remains unchanged i have no need to upgrade.

Also, if someone designed a mgu unit that was actually lighter than a traditional drivetrain and worked well... that would also get me all moist for an upgrade.

Combine high energy density batteries with a light working well mgu then i will be dusting out the moths from my wallet.
 
30% lighter.

Already having a NZ Avinox Motor. I certainly don't need any more power or speed.

Missing was more suspension travel. And 30% more expensive, so the peasants can't afford the same bike ....... 😝
 
I want longer range and more power but with a weight increase of no more than 5 pounds.
 
Ultimately, if I was to design the perfect ebike, it'd be light, long travel, full power and with excruciatingly long range, but it would also have to be bombproof, uncomplicated and mechanically reliable.
 
Lighter and less expensive. They already have way more power and tq then I need.

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Personally, the main factor that limits my use of an e-bike is range. I need enough autonomy to ride for a full day (around 6 hours of moving time, 180-200 km a day) and to handle a cumulative ascent of at least 1,200 m.

Based on an extrapolation from last Sunday’s TEST ride (12 km, 270 m ascent, 50 m descent, 49 minutes, most in ECO mode with some very steep ascent in Tour, and really trying to save every bit of battery in every possible way), I estimate that using about 90% of my 625 Wh battery, in the same configuration (total system weight ~140 kg, including a couple of bags), I could ride for roughly 4 hours, covering no more than 60 km, with around 1,280 m of ascent and 240 m of descent.

That’s clearly not enough for multi-day gravel rides, and that’s really the key limitation for me... 😒 Weight and other constraints are much less of an issue, as I mainly use my bike to explore the world.

I would also like to collect and analyse the data in a much more transparent and systematic way, but that’s probably just because I’m a bit of a nerd with a passion for numbers, physics, and maths… 🤓

I would be interested in other people estimates (based on real figures).
 
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Sometimes we don’t realize it, but in reality battery energy density has increased dramatically and the cost per kWh has steadily decreased over the years.

This is a graph that applies to electric vehicles, but the situation for bicycles—at least in theory—is not very different.

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It is not clear to me how reliable these data are (source: here), but other sources gives similar results.

If this is true, an increase in energy density of 30% happened actually during the last 3 years (from 350 to 500 Wh/kg), and doubled in 8 years.

This plot is probably more realistic (but apply to "best" battery) tough, but a bit outdated:


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Credit: Physic World
 
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pagheca said:
Sometimes we don’t realize it, but in reality battery energy density has increased dramatically
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Our Bosch Vertical 625Wh Powertubes are still the same capacity and weight as they were 4 years ago, what are we doing wrong?
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irie said:
Our Bosch Vertical 625Wh Powertubes are still the same capacity and weight as they were 4 years ago, what are we doing wrong?
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We? Nothing wrong. Bosch is clearly saving on R&D. Retrofitting existing models is not part of their business plan, but I am confident that if competition increases (see Avinox), they will eventually move in that direction.

And this is precisely why open software management is crucial for me: if everything were not encrypted, other manufacturers could enter the market and offer better, compatible batteries. It might create some issues at the beginning, but in the long run it would make the Bosch ecosystem far more attractive.
 
How about better reliability? It would be nice to have a 300% longer MTBF (mean time between failures). :unsure:
 
pagheca said:
We? Nothing wrong. Bosch is clearly saving on R&D. Retrofitting existing models is not part of their business plan, but I am confident that if competition increases (see Avinox), they will eventually move in that direction.

And this is precisely why open software management is crucial for me: if everything were not encrypted, other manufacturers could enter the market and offer better, compatible batteries. It might create some issues at the beginning, but in the long run it would make the Bosch ecosystem far more attractive.
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In the medium to long term "open systems" ultimately render obsolete and cause the demise of proprietary systems, in this case such as the "Bosch ecosystem".
 
It's interesting, that at a time when 5 figure bikes are becoming more normal and lower cost bikes seem to be diminishing. 30 percent lower costs was only the 3rd most popular choice.
 
No rear derailleur and maybe a bit lighter but not more fragile. I'll trade weight for durability.

I'm actually still very satisfied with every other aspect of my current 22' sc bullit (yes even the ep8 lol).

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Ps. Maybe the whole shifting without pedalling thing as well.
 
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