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Unno Mith released with DJI motor, 800Wh battery
- Thread starter Rob Rides EMTB
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Kitsan
New Member
That's no problem for me as i'm in no massive rush, I havent been able to find anyone who has one yet through!
Nomadic Dad
Active member
Definitely sounds like they've upped the PR to try and explain the perceived delays
Elsonator
Member
I spoke with Afan Valley Bike Shed in Wales a month or so ago who had an s3 race. Obviously that might have changed but if it's in your vicinity might be worth giving them a shout.
Kitsan
New Member
It's about 2.5 hrs away, but not the end of the world if I could take it out for a demo.
Thanks for the heads up, i'll give them a buzz tomorrow (if they're open).
Elsonator
Member
I don't think anywhere in the country has any bikes to demo as of yet
Sorry, meant they had one available for pre order.
As someone stated above unless a shop has ordered one for themselves I doubt you'll be able to demo.
Kitsan
New Member
Yeah Ben said they have a Pro available to order but i'm not sure if i'm willing to drop £10K on something like this blind with no demo.
Do you think I should go for an S2 or S3 at 185cm and long arms, normal torso/legs?
I ride an XL 2024 Capra YT Core 5 29'er at the moment and it fits really well.
Nomadic Dad
Active member
I'm 188cm with in proportion arms and legs and have a refundable deposit on a S3 which looks to be pretty much the same size as my S4 Kenevo but like everyone else here never actually sat on one.
Kitsan
New Member
If you could give me a shout when you get yours, I would be keen to know your thoughts on the sizing?
Anyone speak Czech who can give us the low down on what he said?
Kitsan
New Member
you can use YT subtitle auto translation to get a fairly good idea
Thanks, I tried, but doesn't seem to support it for this video?
Kitsan
New Member
Worked fine for me, the TLDR is that he didn't like the bike enough to pay the asking price, which is a bit ironic as he stated price wasnt a factor.
Nomadic Dad
Active member
YouTube only giving me the Czech captions with the auto translate option on mobile, app, TV and desktop which is annoying
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TheSnowShark
Well-known member
YouTube only giving me the Czech captions with not auto translate which is annoying
I got the French subtitles without any problems..
Notebook LM rules :
The reviewer states that the UNO Mith x DJI Avinox is a good bike overall, but there are some aspects that were annoying1.
Key positive aspects (pluses) highlighted by the reviewer include:
•
The design: Described as absolutely luxurious, strange, and beautifully made, it's seen as both aesthetically unique and functional2....
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Low sloping top tube: This design feature is considered a great advantage, especially for leaning the bike in turns, as it prevents the rider's inner leg from hitting the frame56. The shortened seat tube compared to the previous generation is also seen as a positive5.
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Low center of gravity: Heavy components like the shock, motor, and battery are positioned low, which contributes to the bike riding nicely and wrapping into turns beautifully5.
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Low weight: Weighing approximately 21.5 kg with pedals is considered exceptional ("exkluzivní váha")56. This low weight significantly helps in certain situations, such as easily carrying the bike upstairs or lifting it onto a car67.
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Component specification: The carbon Newman wheels are stiff and perform well48. The Schwalbe Magic Mary tires with DH casing provided a surprisingly good experience and worked great4. The Formula Cura 4 brakes, after being broken in, worked nicely and were similar to the reviewer's preferred brakes, not causing wrist or hand issues even during extensive riding49. The SRAM X0 Type shifting is also highlighted, noting the frame is designed for it and not for cable/bowden routing59.
•
Exclusion of mechanical shifting: The reviewer personally sees the inability to mount mechanical shifting as a positive5.
•
Diagnostic and setup options: The touchscreen display allows for adjusting motor assist modes directly on the bike without needing a phone application, which is a convenient diagnostic feature5.
•
Mudguards: The included mudguards that protect the shock and rear suspension pivots from dirt and mud are seen as a "super thing" and nicely done45.
Negative aspects (minuses) mentioned by the reviewer:
•
Anti-tip protection system: Initially described as the biggest minus ("Největším mínusem")5. The reviewer explained a feature that would cut power suddenly in very steep climbs if the motor detected a risk of tipping backward, calling it potentially dangerous10. However, the reviewer later provided a correction, stating that this feature CAN be turned off directly on the bike's display, which he only learned after returning the bike10. He noted that this negates what he initially presented as a major negative point10.
•
Relative complexity of the rear suspension: This is noted as a potential issue mainly during servicing5.
•
Relative difficulty in suspension setup: The reviewer feels you need to "really understand it" ("musíte se v tom opravdu vyznat") to set up the suspension or chassis correctly511.
•
External hose and cable routing: Cables running outside the head tube instead of through it is a purely personal minus ("čistě ryze moje osobní mínus") for the reviewer, who prefers the cleaner look of internal routing11. He emphasizes this is a marginal issue11.
Regarding the purchase decision, despite the bike being expensive, the reviewer states that price is not a determining factor for him11. However, the reviewer concludes that he would NOT buy this bike1112. The primary reason is that it is insufficient and unsuitable for his specific riding style and what he currently rides12. He specifically mentions that the crucial information he learned from testing (presumably related to the suspension behavior/anti-squat with his weight) led to this decision, implying he might have bought it otherwise12. The reviewer believes the bike's suspension kinematics, particularly the anti-squat behavior which causes the rear suspension to extend and lose grip under pedaling, is likely designed for heavier riders, potentially around 70 kg and up, rather than his weight (approx. 64 kg with gear)5.... He experienced this issue, especially in technical, rough uphill sections ("power stageí"), where the rear wheel would skip instead of providing grip11....
In summary, the reviewer found the UNO Mith x DJI Avinox to be a well-designed, lightweight, and highly effective pedaling bike with a phenomenal and easily modulated motor, but its rear suspension characteristics, particularly for a lighter rider in technical climbs, and the initial confusion about the anti-tip feature (which can be disabled) ultimately led him to conclude it wasn't the right fit for his specific needs and riding style8....
The reviewer states that the UNO Mith x DJI Avinox is a good bike overall, but there are some aspects that were annoying1.
Key positive aspects (pluses) highlighted by the reviewer include:
•
The design: Described as absolutely luxurious, strange, and beautifully made, it's seen as both aesthetically unique and functional2....
•
Low sloping top tube: This design feature is considered a great advantage, especially for leaning the bike in turns, as it prevents the rider's inner leg from hitting the frame56. The shortened seat tube compared to the previous generation is also seen as a positive5.
•
Low center of gravity: Heavy components like the shock, motor, and battery are positioned low, which contributes to the bike riding nicely and wrapping into turns beautifully5.
•
Low weight: Weighing approximately 21.5 kg with pedals is considered exceptional ("exkluzivní váha")56. This low weight significantly helps in certain situations, such as easily carrying the bike upstairs or lifting it onto a car67.
•
Component specification: The carbon Newman wheels are stiff and perform well48. The Schwalbe Magic Mary tires with DH casing provided a surprisingly good experience and worked great4. The Formula Cura 4 brakes, after being broken in, worked nicely and were similar to the reviewer's preferred brakes, not causing wrist or hand issues even during extensive riding49. The SRAM X0 Type shifting is also highlighted, noting the frame is designed for it and not for cable/bowden routing59.
•
Exclusion of mechanical shifting: The reviewer personally sees the inability to mount mechanical shifting as a positive5.
•
Diagnostic and setup options: The touchscreen display allows for adjusting motor assist modes directly on the bike without needing a phone application, which is a convenient diagnostic feature5.
•
Mudguards: The included mudguards that protect the shock and rear suspension pivots from dirt and mud are seen as a "super thing" and nicely done45.
Negative aspects (minuses) mentioned by the reviewer:
•
Anti-tip protection system: Initially described as the biggest minus ("Největším mínusem")5. The reviewer explained a feature that would cut power suddenly in very steep climbs if the motor detected a risk of tipping backward, calling it potentially dangerous10. However, the reviewer later provided a correction, stating that this feature CAN be turned off directly on the bike's display, which he only learned after returning the bike10. He noted that this negates what he initially presented as a major negative point10.
•
Relative complexity of the rear suspension: This is noted as a potential issue mainly during servicing5.
•
Relative difficulty in suspension setup: The reviewer feels you need to "really understand it" ("musíte se v tom opravdu vyznat") to set up the suspension or chassis correctly511.
•
External hose and cable routing: Cables running outside the head tube instead of through it is a purely personal minus ("čistě ryze moje osobní mínus") for the reviewer, who prefers the cleaner look of internal routing11. He emphasizes this is a marginal issue11.
Regarding the purchase decision, despite the bike being expensive, the reviewer states that price is not a determining factor for him11. However, the reviewer concludes that he would NOT buy this bike1112. The primary reason is that it is insufficient and unsuitable for his specific riding style and what he currently rides12. He specifically mentions that the crucial information he learned from testing (presumably related to the suspension behavior/anti-squat with his weight) led to this decision, implying he might have bought it otherwise12. The reviewer believes the bike's suspension kinematics, particularly the anti-squat behavior which causes the rear suspension to extend and lose grip under pedaling, is likely designed for heavier riders, potentially around 70 kg and up, rather than his weight (approx. 64 kg with gear)5.... He experienced this issue, especially in technical, rough uphill sections ("power stageí"), where the rear wheel would skip instead of providing grip11....
In summary, the reviewer found the UNO Mith x DJI Avinox to be a well-designed, lightweight, and highly effective pedaling bike with a phenomenal and easily modulated motor, but its rear suspension characteristics, particularly for a lighter rider in technical climbs, and the initial confusion about the anti-tip feature (which can be disabled) ultimately led him to conclude it wasn't the right fit for his specific needs and riding style8....
Wait, is it translating correctly in that he prefers through headset cable routing? Dude loses some credibility there.
I think it will be fine for the average rider who will take it to the nearest trail centre to get it a bit dirty, but will spend five times the amount of time posting about how awesome it is on every EMTB forum going?!
Unkind? Perhaps…
I think this is where ‘boutique bikes’ fall down a bit, ie you can’t ride one before committing multiple thousands on it.
Sure, we know the Avinox system is great, but the motor and battery is but one part of an e-bike and not the sum.
Just to be clear, I’m not knocking Cesar Rojo here, he’s a World Cup winning downhiller and has probably forgotten more about suspension design than I’ve ever known, but his background and focus may explain why the Mith might not be for everybody, depending on their own abilities and riding locations.
It is a lovely looking e-bike though, and as it looks like they’ll sell ‘em all then it’s mission accomplished for him isn’t it!
I think he was just saying he prefers it based on looks, not sure that should question his credibility?
One of my e-bikes cable management arrangements looks like a Mumbai electricity sub station, there’s no doubting that a bike with decent cable routing looks a lot cleaner.
Kitsan
New Member
Suspension setup is a science, it's possible the reviewer couldnt or didnt know how to setup the suspension correctly for his style/weight on this bike.
Whilst I think suspension design is a science, setting it up for your own use shouldn’t be.
In a world where perhaps we can complain that ‘all e-bikes look and ride the same’, perhaps we should applaud one where it doesn’t and suits a particular style of rider or riding terrain more than some others.
Just reinforces my view that test rides are a must, or even ‘ride days’ on terrain where it’s meant to be ridden.
I’m sure I could ride one of these all day long on my local trails and it would be fun, but it wouldn’t be getting anywhere near its limit I’m sure on XC trails with a few short but bumpy gully ridden downhills.
Kitsan
New Member
I have spoken to J-Tech at length and it takes them a lot of time on a dyno to simulate different suspension designs/frame features and how to match front and rear shocks based on riding style/weight.
Sure you can try doing it by yourself but on a brand new bike design, that can be more luck than judgement, or your taking advice off someone who either has paid someone else to tune it for them or has a big pool of knowledge to draw upon.
Sure you can try doing it by yourself but on a brand new bike design, that can be more luck than judgement, or your taking advice off someone who either has paid someone else to tune it for them or has a big pool of knowledge to draw upon.
Sure, you can spend a long time setting up your suspension (or even a long time talking to your suspension tuner - I’m a TF Tuned customer myself!) and custom valving etc can improve things.
Most people should be able to get 80% of the way there though, especially with some guidelines from the people who designed it, and especially if you’re making your living as a reviewer.
It could be something about the bike suspension design does have a ‘special sauce’ element to it though, which takes time to unlock.
Kitsan
New Member
Yeah and its that last part which seems like a factor here as when MBR went to test it out, Alan Muldoon didnt mention anything similar:
I know it's not a review but I think he wouldve asked the question if he felt there was an issue as he was one of the few people who didnt fangirl over the V1 Forbidden Druid when it came out.
That said I think hes about 180cm(ish)/75-80kg if i remember correctly, so he might just weigh enough to escape the issues that the Czech reviewer had.
Anti-Squat (AS) is such a weird thing to track.
My pedal bike at my height, and therefore seat height, has ideal AS in a size Large. The exact same model bike in a medium, is a soggy mess and pedals poorly as the same seat height has my Center-of-Gravity considerably further back.
So many things could have played in to the Czech reviewer's experiences. I'm not invalidating them, just noting. His actual body weight should not be a factor once sag and rebound is set correctly, but his CoG (AKA preferred seat height) is a large factor.
My pedal bike at my height, and therefore seat height, has ideal AS in a size Large. The exact same model bike in a medium, is a soggy mess and pedals poorly as the same seat height has my Center-of-Gravity considerably further back.
So many things could have played in to the Czech reviewer's experiences. I'm not invalidating them, just noting. His actual body weight should not be a factor once sag and rebound is set correctly, but his CoG (AKA preferred seat height) is a large factor.
Are we saying that the bike works better the fatter you are?
Nomadic Dad
Active member
Cesar Rojo the owner and creator doesn't exactly look like a porkerAre we saying that the bike works better the fatter you are?
Seriously though, I think the Loam Wolf 2025 eMTB Shootout video for the Unno Mith will be a really interesting one for us potential owners to see what they say. I'm really hoping @Rob Rides EMTB gets a full review video out before then though
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