Struggling to choose!

gilbertdave

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Aug 5, 2020
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Hi all,

New here and recently returned to mountain biking after riding non-stop upto to around my mid-20’s

Now, I’m fatter, lazier but with more disposable income so it seems like the timing is right.

Most importantly, I recently confirmed I’m eligible for a cycle to work And just this very evening, I have secured the all important approval from the wife.

I feel like I’ve watched almost every Rob Rides and was initially very drawn the Vitus Sommet. I like the look of them (even though, I have to say the external battery is starting to look quite dated), I love the spec vs price but ?I am quite nervous about the lack of support and terrible reviews about the ongoing support.

A lot of Robs vids (and others) talk very favourably about Levo’s and Kenevo’s.... and I went to my local Specialized shop and true enough, they are very nice looking in the flesh. The concern then flips to “is the kenova too much ‘ is the Levo not enough.

in all cases I’d be looking at maxing out at around £5K which pretty means entry level from Specialized or top level Vitus.

i tend to ride single track and trails, with a reasonable amount of jumping with a couple of trips each year to uplift parks. On the most recent visit (on my Cube Stereo 160) I certainly felt ‘I was started to get out of my depth on some runs and wondered is shorter travel backs would only make this feel worse?

Again, the Vitus seems to be a perfect fit in the middle, I just can‘t look past the bad rep and lack of support... I can practically SEE specialised from my house.

I think it’s unlikely I’m ever going to go for 8 hour adventure rides with countless huge climbs, I’m more likely to spend Maybe 2 or 3 h-ours on a loop, or 3-4 hours heading down trails, then climbing back up.

If you were me, what would you do?

TIA
 

cazrack

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I am going to go out on the limb and say dont buy a expensive emtb with the shimano E8000 motor since it been around a long time and will probobly be replaced soon.

At the same time being around for a long time can be a good thing as well but personally Í want newer stuff when i spend lots of money.
 

IanVersion2

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For individual models/brands it's hard to advise because there's so many great bikes out there at the £5k mark. My number one piece of advice would be keep more than half an eye on service and support. With an eMTB, it's a different ball game altogether if you start having issues. If in your location/situation that points you at the Specialized, I think there's your answer.
 

Philly G

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Had a look at the Trek Rail?
plus one on the Rail, great bike, loving mine. (y) Another great bike with the Bosch system, is the Whyte. 2021 model sorted out the odd cable routing of the 2020 model. British brand with special attention to weather -sealed pivot bearings. Not sure what you mean by "out of depth on some runs" - do you mean the bike feels a bit too hefty? In my opinion you want a bike you're going to grow into rather than out of, so that your skills grow in time to match your bike's capabilites. Bike feel is hugely influenced by getting the sizing right, and correct setup of cockpit/saddle and suspension, and tyre choice. So i wouldn't necessarily restrict yourself to shorter travel bikes, unless you know from your riding style and where you ride that that's what you really want. Agree about the shimano too, it's a bit dated now, underpowered compared to the Bosch and smaller battery too, I was surprised Shimano didn't update it for 2021
 

BrentD

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The review below is what sold me on the Rail. I think it is fair and honest after having six months on mine.

 

Philly G

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The review below is what sold me on the Rail. I think it is fair and honest after having six months on mine.

Yeah that was a great review! Although I had been eyeing up the Rail for a while, and ended up buying the 7.
 

urastus

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If it was me looking for a new emtb right now, the first thing I'd research is the newly announced 4 year warranty by specialized. If the warranty is good then that is a game changer. You may not know, emtb is not particularly reliable or long lived for the majority of people at this time - so warranty is very important; unless you're wealthy.
 

gilbertdave

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Aug 5, 2020
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Not sure what you mean by "out of depth on some runs" - do you mean the bike feels a bit too hefty? I

In terms of feeling out of its depth, I meant that on some of the steeper, faster trails I felt the bike was a little bit out of control. Leading me to believe that a shorter travel bike would feel worse.

I've sort of convinced myself that 160mm (ish) feels like the right place to be.
 

gilbertdave

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Ok, great some solid advice there.

I'm a spec nerd and tend to find myself spiralling into the details, but I guess its safe to assume that any £5K bike will more than capable with anything I'm able to ride.

So, switching focus now to Levo vs Rail, noticing both have similar support networks, suspension travel etc. I'm going to see if I can find an Evans cycles that have both in stock (I'm lucky enough that I ALSO have an Evan's within 3 miles from home).

Having dived through basically all of You Tube last night (thanks to the other insomniacs who posted replies) it looks like the Rail might be a more aggressive counterpart to the Levo, which is appealing.

I'll keep digging and keep you posted...

Getting exciting now.
 

gilbertdave

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Oh man... another variable.

I've watched a load of vids, and yep the Trek Rail seems great. Options to buy last years model at a higher spec etc..... Evans are advertising the Rail 7 on budget (ish), but it seems they're just not in stock.... anywhere

So, potentially the overwhelming choice I thought I had may actually come down to whether I'm patient enough to wait (I'm not) or what is currently in stock .
 

Philly G

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Oh man... another variable.

I've watched a load of vids, and yep the Trek Rail seems great. Options to buy last years model at a higher spec etc..... Evans are advertising the Rail 7 on budget (ish), but it seems they're just not in stock.... anywhere

So, potentially the overwhelming choice I thought I had may actually come down to whether I'm patient enough to wait (I'm not) or what is currently in stock .
I dont think the differences between the model years are huge. Same frame, motor & battery. 2021 gets some gorgeous new colourways and some models get the new Zeb fork. You'll find out more over in the Trek forum ?
 

gilbertdave

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I checked online again (very excited) and the stock level dropped... Just called them and they've sold two between midday and now!

Sod, waiting for the cycle to work certificate, I've put down a deposit to keep one aside for me
 

gilbertdave

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Eligible for a cycle to work?

ah right... yep in the UK we have government backed schemes called Cycle to Work, where you get tax breaks for buying a bike (cool right). Up until fairly recently they were limited to £1,000, but they changed to £10,000.

it basically means you pay for your bike “pre-tax”, so as higher rate tax payer, I end up woth a fairly similar substantial cost saving and the ability to pay monthly ??
 

mtbninja

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Jul 13, 2020
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I recently got the Merida e160, it's epic. The new 2021 stock will include a larger battery, and i've heard possibly the new motor too now.
I'm not concerned or disappointed in my choice for the 2020 stock, I got a good deal and better price for it.

I like the smaller and lighter battery. I on average still get 60-75km out of the 504wh battery, but I'm fairly fit, and with gear only weigh around 79kg. Still a 40-60km ride running all trail mode is great, and on longer rides a combo of eco, trail and some motor off has served me really well to get an average of 60-75km. I did an big epic 113km ride the other weekend, a bit more motor off that I'd have preferred, but I only ran it off on the flats or very minor slopes. I did a bunch on trail, and still some eco too. I do have my eco set to med, trail set to med (though reduced from 70nm to 50nm via stunlocker) and boost set to low, as that is still a good kick more than trail on really tough climbs.

For me the mullet setup was the big seller, I am not comfortable on 29ers normally, but this got me the best of both worlds. Short chain stay and fun playful back end, with a front that can get over everything. Merida make great quality bikes and are really good value for money.

The bike I was looking at next to this was the Norco VLT C1 or C2. I got the 9k model Merida (second top, I didn't need XTR drivetrain or carbon wheels!! Just an extra waste of money and a liability to break).

What it comes down to is try the bikes, demo them on the trails you like to ride, and see how they feel. The problem may be one may be setup better than another, but the big thing to feel out is the battery life, range you get and how the motor feels and gives the assist you want, and how it feels over 25km/h limit (or 32km/h limit if in the US). I wanted a light, poppy, playful bike that can handle a lot (downhill/enduro runs, flow trails, jumps, drops and long rides too). I got what I was after, and am very happy.
 

Doug Stampfer

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I was like you. When I looked at my rail they had sold 2 the previous day so promptly put down a deposit to secure mine.
What I’ve found is my riding is getting better and better as I tend to do sessions over the same tracks and can dial in the moves and experiment. I think having more bike is Great to grow into.
 

Woody2

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Jul 29, 2020
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I recently got the Merida e160, it's epic. The new 2021 stock will include a larger battery, and i've heard possibly the new motor too now.
I'm not concerned or disappointed in my choice for the 2020 stock, I got a good deal and better price for it.

I like the smaller and lighter battery. I on average still get 60-75km out of the 504wh battery, but I'm fairly fit, and with gear only weigh around 79kg. Still a 40-60km ride running all trail mode is great, and on longer rides a combo of eco, trail and some motor off has served me really well to get an average of 60-75km. I did an big epic 113km ride the other weekend, a bit more motor off that I'd have preferred, but I only ran it off on the flats or very minor slopes. I did a bunch on trail, and still some eco too. I do have my eco set to med, trail set to med (though reduced from 70nm to 50nm via stunlocker) and boost set to low, as that is still a good kick more than trail on really tough climbs.

For me the mullet setup was the big seller, I am not comfortable on 29ers normally, but this got me the best of both worlds. Short chain stay and fun playful back end, with a front that can get over everything. Merida make great quality bikes and are really good value for money.

The bike I was looking at next to this was the Norco VLT C1 or C2. I got the 9k model Merida (second top, I didn't need XTR drivetrain or carbon wheels!! Just an extra waste of money and a liability to break).

What it comes down to is try the bikes, demo them on the trails you like to ride, and see how they feel. The problem may be one may be setup better than another, but the big thing to feel out is the battery life, range you get and how the motor feels and gives the assist you want, and how it feels over 25km/h limit (or 32km/h limit if in the US). I wanted a light, poppy, playful bike that can handle a lot (downhill/enduro runs, flow trails, jumps, drops and long rides too). I got what I was after, and am very happy.
Can I ask what you paid in Oz (pm me if you like). I'm looking at something similar over here (in NZ). Just have the same thoughts expressed earlier in the thread about the age of the the Shimano motor, but not as concerned about the battery life - we might be similar in weight and fitness level. I also like the weight saving - a couple of kgs may not seem much but quite noticeable picking up a trek rail or a Scott tuned compared to a Merida.

Cheers in advance, W2
 

mtbninja

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Jul 13, 2020
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Can I ask what you paid in Oz (pm me if you like). I'm looking at something similar over here (in NZ). Just have the same thoughts expressed earlier in the thread about the age of the the Shimano motor, but not as concerned about the battery life - we might be similar in weight and fitness level. I also like the weight saving - a couple of kgs may not seem much but quite noticeable picking up a trek rail or a Scott tuned compared to a Merida.

Cheers in advance, W2


There is honestly near to no stock anywhere in the country. Mine came from the other end of Australia! And I was lucky as I ordered off their website via a franchise that could get the bike from one of their stores, there was only 4 in the country with my size! I did a bunch of chasing to find one.. You may be stuck waiting for 2021 stock like I almost was.

Here's the link to where I bought mine via 99bikes:
They did me a good deal on accessories and a second battery too. I went the 9k over the 8k because I wanted the better suspension mainly. I like jumps, drops, endro/downhill trails, etc. So I made sure the bike specs met my needs for that. The suspension on the 8k is not bad at all either though. The 10k was just overkill.... Who needs XTR on an ebike (and then the replacement costs!!) And carbon wheels? What a liability... Just another expensive thing to break...

The smaller 504wh battery has been pleanty for me with my mode setup. I'm around 79kg with gear 171cm tall. I still do big rides on my other non e bike (hard tail and endro, + some dirt jumps on the dirt jumper. Love doing the big epics on the ebike and having a bit more assistance on those tougher climbs that sap my energy. the bike is sold as a 22kg bike, but with pedals, running tubless with cushcore installed, my bike is sitting on 23.9kg. The Norco VLT C1 or C2 is not a bad alternative, but I loved the mullet setup more.b
 
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Woody2

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Thanks for the detailed response with your thoughts etc. I'm still working it all through. Like the Merida carbon range, fit felt nice when I rode one around the showroom in the power off mode. Will probably wait till 2021 model comes out and see if it has the new Shimano motor etc, no rush at this point.
 

gilbertdave

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Aug 5, 2020
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My bike arrived yesterday!

It was all too exciting, so I had to go for a ride despite the shit weather, so my first ride was basically in the dark, in the rain :)

Good points
  • The bike looks gorgeous and appears to be pretty well put together.
  • It fits... yes, this was a genuine concern as I hadn't actually ridden one of these before ordering. When it first came out of the box, I sat on it and was instantly worried - turns out, no air in the forks and the front end was about 160mm lower than it should have been
  • The motor! I really love how much this opens up the riding options for you. I've been riding my local woods for 20+ years since I was a wee lad and last night I found parts of the wood I've never been to, simply because I wasn't afraid to explore or "waste" my (limited) energy on anything other than the marked trails - This was a big part of the want for an E Bike and it has really delivered.
  • The battery! I'd guess I rode around 20Km and it seemed to only use one bar of battery on EMTB mode. I guess the battery usage may not be linear as I realise I'm not going to get 100Km range (I'm 100Kg's and lazy) - but still, all concerns of my "wants" outlasting the battery went away.
  • The bike jumps really nicely. After a couple of lively nose dives, I revisited the shock set up advice on Treks Website and realised I'd set up the rebound way too fast, adjusted it and it felt really comfortable straight away. I was also surprised that the bike felt easy to move in the air - desperately trying to relive my youth with tabletops and whips (next post likely to be about a broken collarbone ?)
Grumbles
  • I was surprised that the bike didn't come with a shock pump. Fortunately, I had one but the bike would have been unrideable without pumping them up. That would have been a major disappointment
  • I know a lot of people change their own pedals, but putting plastic pedals on a £5K bike seems pretty gash. I knew they were what it came with and decided to give them a go, but I did find them to be quite slippy, even with the 510's on, which are normally like super glue. I don't know how many people ride these types of bikes with clips, but I don't and having to fork out another £50 on some flat pedals seems a bit rough.
  • I'm a little disappointed at the lack of adjustment on the brakes. The bike is supplied with Shimano MT501 levers which appears to have no adjustment for lever stroke. I've adjusted the lever position, but it feels like the levers travel a long way (too long for my liking) and there appears to be no means of adjusting this as there was on my previous XT levers... Hoping someone on here can offer some pearls of wisdom on this one
Now, I'm just sitting here contemplating spending lots of money on an EBike compatible bike carrier and counting the hours until I can get out again.

Thanks all for the advice, I'm very pleased.
 

gilbertdave

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Aug 5, 2020
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It's been a month now, so I thought I'd revisit.

The good news is, I still really love it. I've gone from riding once or twice a month, to two or three times per week and my riding has improved as a result.

Having listed a few grumbles above, I still feel that its a shame that there is no bite point adjustment on the brakes. but beyond that, I'm happy with everything spec-wise.

My only new grumble is things coming loose.... important things. Like crank arms and my front wheel. I had read about this being an occasional problem so I did go over the bike for a spanner check before riding it, but since then I've had the left-hand crank arm come loose (almost come off), I've added thread locker to the screw and its STILL come loose. Hoping not to have to check everything every time?

Overall though I absolutely love the freedom its giving me to explore the trails far more than I ever have before.

I spent a few hours blasting up and down with my GoPro... Have a butchers.

 

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