Thanks for confirming that someone else is experiencing this. Did you try changing your assist modes in a customized way that could get around this? The loop out is easier to control now that I am expecting it, but I still am frustrated at not being able to climb these short steep ups at all, so looking for a different customization in settings to be able to manage it. I think I will try the race preset, "no time to waste" initially. Specialized must be aware of this so maybe they'll come out with a fix eventually.
A man got to know his limitations......This is the conclusion of the evaluation of this updated motor at the E Mountain Bike magazine website: The S-Works 3.1 stands out above all for its incredible adaptability, and thanks to a range of smart features, you can fine-tune the motor’s character to suit your riding style. Out on the trails, it delivers impressive traction, consistent power delivery and confident control. In everyday use, it’s backed up by a fast charger, range extender and the best app in the entire test field. Minor weaknesses only become noticeable when riding aggressively, and while they cost it a few points in the final ranking, they don’t take away from its overall performance. All in all, it’s a well-thought-out, practical and extremely versatile motor system with a strong ecosystem, built into an outstanding bike.
Tops
- Enormous adjustability of the motor system
- Excellent traction
- Best app and connectivity in the test
- Fast charger
Flops
- Slightly delayed response on technical uphills
- Fairly bulky motor area
I disagree that this is a slightly delayed response on technical uphills. This could result in serious injury.
Agreed, but this was such an abrupt change it was obvious it was due to the update.
Well on the old kenevo I usually did a lot of mode switching on the uphills to avoid looping out. On the L4 I initially felt this isn't needed anymore due to better reaction on rider input. After the update it's still manageable to stay in turbo on most uphills but I sometimes now dial back to trail. My trail setting is less powerful than yours, something like 60:100 or so. Also I run with full overrun, zero shuttle, fast power delivery. Maybe I have to try to dial back the delivery settings. But I see you already run Slow and still run into the same problem of looping out
I have the same lack of understanding. Loop out makes me think excess power is raising the front end of the bike, but the description sounds like some are experiencing a loss of power.
. Various other reasons. Bike is somewhere in the blackberries, safe, laughing saying “come on, you did this”
yes exactly, since the update there's a power boost in a way I didn't notice before and its resemblance is more like the kenevo I hade where it's really delicate to control. Before the update I feel it was easier to control the power output via one's power input so to say.Looped out to me is a wheelie that got out of control and you are on your ass. Bike is somewhere in front of you
Endo, your ass flew over the bars somehow. Front heavy landings, excessive front lever grabbing….bike is somewhere behind you
Then there’s various slide outs, caused by off camber turns, normal turns
I usually ride in eco, trail mode uphill. Honestly climbing on these new updates on Turbo makes me feel kinda weird, it’s excessive.
I have looped out trying to wheelie. With no direct control over motor, it’s a bit tough.
I have not had the bike apply to much power, or stop all assist on a challenging uphill. It just pulls me up.
I’m sure some have (as stated above) had crashes related to various software things. To me, Crashes do not indicate a bike issue. 100% of my crashes have been my own fault.
Cadence is one of the most overlooked skills on a EMTB. I am confident that’s why we see so many motor failures. High torque, low revs. Recipe for destroying an electric motor. Huge amp draw. Levos want 75-90 rpm for best performance and longevity . Thats pretty fast. I rarely see anyone pedal that fast.
This is the route I plan on going..... High shock chip, Long chain stay and slag head angle.....
Yeah, people are trying to 'shift' with their motors.
I think most EMTB riders don’t have any idea the motor strain of low rpm, high torque situations over and over. Poor climbing technique, the cumulative effect of making the motor ask for more juice while restricting its rpm , creates intense strain on the motor.
I think most EMTB riders don’t have any idea the motor strain of low rpm, high torque situations over and over. Poor climbing technique, the cumulative effect of making the motor ask for more juice while restricting its rpm , creates intense strain on the motor.
When I hear , I’m on my second or third motor, I can’t help but think….is it the motor or the pedaler. Without victim blaming too much…..
Cadence 1000% matters to the longevity of our Emtbs electronics. Shift down and get those feet moving!!!
Yip, My partner does that .... stays in the smallest gear and uses the power settings as the gears ..... I was wondering why I have to keep replacing her chain and cassette every few months ...... all the other teeth are untouched expect the 10 and 12t
I moved the shock extension into the long position to gain a little more BB clearance. I've kept the chainstay length shock since like you, I need to navigate the tight switchbacks on many of our trails. For my riding, I'm more concerned with lower speed, tight handling than high speed stability. That being said, I'm probably not good enough to tell the difference if you handed me the same bike with different settings and had me ride the same section back to back.
Not for another 3 years at the least.
Between the less than stellar recation and Brose being bought by Yamaha I think Specialized will cut their losses on this platform long before 2029. I think they will have to bring something new in 2027.
