Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

[GeorgesEBike]

Yeah I meant big battery ones. Plenty of nice cx gen5 options with 600-750wh batteries but not 8xx

The Bosch Gen 5 batteries come in 600wh, 800wh or 250wh extender. My Crestline has the new Bosch Gen 5 with 800wh battery.

 

[Chris_R]

The Bosch Gen 5 batteries come in 600wh, 800wh or 250wh extender. My Crestline has the new Bosch Gen 5 with 800wh battery.

Exactly, but which other options exist? Crestlines are pretty much sold out, also a big down tube. Let's see if/how the avinox range extender looks. Just saying, currently there are not many options if you look for 1000+ wh. May change soon, sure. Would be happy to run 1800-2000m elevation in a ~2h ride - like a double power hr

 

[Rando_12345]

Exactly, but which other options exist? Crestlines are pretty much sold out, also a big down tube. Let's see if/how the avinox range extender looks. Just saying, currently there are not many options if you look for 1000+ wh. May change soon, sure. Would be happy to run 1800-2000m elevation in a ~2h ride - like a double power hr

Cube, mondraker, lapierre, trek...

I don't think there is a bike on the market right now that can do 2000m of elevation in 2h. A Bosch motor, probably the most efficient, can do ~2000m in EMTB with a 800Wh battery with a 70kg rider, would take closer to 3h.

The Spesh and DJI could maybe get close in time on the right course, but might need more than 1kwh, and I'm not sure the motor wouldn't derate with such long continuous climbs in turbo.

 

[Chris_R]

Cube, mondraker, lapierre, trek...

I don't think there is a bike on the market right now that can do 2000m of elevation in 2h. A Bosch motor, probably the most efficient, can do ~2000m in EMTB with a 800Wh battery with a 70kg rider, would take closer to 3h.

The Spesh and DJI could maybe get close in time on the right course, but might need more than 1kwh, and I'm not sure the motor wouldn't derate with such long continuous climbs in turbo.

And any of those bikes looking sleeker than the specialized? Even the mondraker downtube is not really pleasing.
2000m vertical wasn't meant in one stretch. Currently doing 1100 in 1hr up with the 700wh specialized

 

[Rando_12345]

And any of those bikes looking sleeker than the specialized? Even the mondraker downtube is not really pleasing.
2000m vertical wasn't meant in one stretch. Currently doing 1100 in 1hr up with the 700wh specialized

Well the lapierre glp3 has a thinner downtube and easiest battery changing mechanism (monkey paw curls one finger )...

I know what you are saying, as it is also my dream scenario to get massive rides done in an even shorter burst. In my experience doing a lot of 1500-1600m rides in under 3hours, you would need a perfect setup (steep paved road up, fairly steep direct trails down) to get close to 2000m climbing on a 2h ride, and even broken up into multiple climbs, you wouldn't be giving the motor much of a chance to cool down.

Based on the reviews it seems the +100Nm modes on the latest bikes are less efficient than ever. If the DJI is pulling 800W from a 800Wh battery, you only get one hour of climbing!

 

[electricbogaloo]

Who would even want to ride like that? Just go to a bike park. That's what chairlifts are for. 2000m elevation means alpine terrain so you usually can't go fast except if you're in the alps with roads or ski resort infrastructure but then there are probably bikeparks nearby who will make it more convenient. If you want to to lots of vert go to pds witha dh bike. (you need the travel because of the brakr bump bomb craters)

 

[TorAtle]

I just watched the video of VELOMTION MAGAZINE, a long long video but really really interesting!!!

I have a question for those who already have their bike:

Is that possible to set the SHUTTLE differently for EACH mode?

For exemple if i ONLY want 100% shuttle inTurbo and 0% shuttle for the other modes

With the Gen3 it is not possible....if you set 100% shuttle, you have 100% in all the modes....

I wonder what the idea behind this shuttle mode really is. From the Velomotion testing, it looks like max shuttle raises the max assistanse from 4x to around 5x. I guess it tweaks some other parameters also.

 

[DirkWisely]

I wonder what the idea behind this shuttle mode really is. From the Velomotion testing, it looks like max shuttle raises the max assistanse from 4x to around 5x. I guess it tweaks some other parameters also.

The idea seems pretty plainly stated. It's to get you to your destination with minimal effort and with no consideration toward riding/power delivery dynamics or power usage. Fireroad climbs and such.

 

[WatermanJim]

Just got my green gen 4 expert. Overall it looks great, sure the downtube is fat but i hear alot of complaints about bikes coming with only 600s. The side entry is very handy, especially when doing cable adjustments. It weighed 53 lbs exactly, 3 more than my 22 expert. Came with carbon wheels too.

 

[Ride 2d@y]

I am going to read the manual tonight before my first ride tomorrow -

 

[TorAtle]

The idea seems pretty plainly stated. It's to get you to your destination with minimal effort and with no consideration toward riding/power delivery dynamics or power usage. Fireroad climbs and such.

Sure, but max assistance could upped to 5x, 6x (or 8x like DJI) instead of 4x. With no special shuttle mode required. So there's probably something else Spesh wanted with this mode.

 

[salko]

Sure, but max assistance could upped to 5x, 6x (or 8x like DJI) instead of 4x. With no special shuttle mode required. So there's probably something else Spesh wanted with this mode.

Shuttle mode explained:

What’s so great about the “Shuttle Mode” feature and how does it work?

One of the key new features of our Mission Control App is the new Shuttle Mode. This feature gives you maximum power output with less required pedalling force. It’s perfect for those days when you’re looking for a fast shuttle to the top of the mountain. The higher the setting for Shuttle Mode is, the easier it is to get full motor power in your selected mode. The settings for the Shuttle Mode can be adjusted within the Mission Control App, and the default setting is zero.

 

[Ridgydidge]

My levo S Works Gen 3 4k miles over 3 years had better ride quality than my Amflow it was like an Armchair, in comparison. But the Amflow feels so much more alive and agile. The Amflow did take a fair bit of setting up front and rear shocks and PSIs.

It’s what I dislike most about long travel porkers with fat plus tyres - like riding a couch. The Amflow, on the other hand - I agree - is close to lively - pretty good for an emtb. I’m working on its set up to enhance this….

 

[Chris_R]

Who would even want to ride like that? Just go to a bike park. That's what chairlifts are for. 2000m elevation means alpine terrain so you usually can't go fast except if you're in the alps with roads or ski resort infrastructure but then there are probably bikeparks nearby who will make it more convenient. If you want to to lots of vert go to pds witha dh bike. (you need the travel because of the brakr bump bomb craters)

Dear sir, I live in the alps and have children, so doing a 2-3h ride with 2000 elevation Meters with an emtb is much easier doable than a bike Park day. So from my perspective any 600wh bike is useless tbh

 

[Semmelrocc]

Visited my LBS yesterday and was happy to see the new Gen 4 "in person". Had the opportunity to do a small test ride on a S4 S-Works model. Bike looks great, better than previous generations imo. You need to get used to the new motor control switch on the handle bar. The weight was no problem, bike feels very balanced. The motor is powerful but with great handling – no brutal power distribution. It's like it fades its extra power in when you start pedaling (might have been tuned that way in the app by the dealer), and there's also no hard power-off at speed limit. Motor sound is really low and will probably be hardly noticeable once you're out on the trails.
If I was in for a new bike (and had the funds), I'd go for Levo 4.

 

[Rando_12345]

Who would even want to ride like that? Just go to a bike park. That's what chairlifts are for. 2000m elevation means alpine terrain so you usually can't go fast except if you're in the alps with roads or ski resort infrastructure but then there are probably bikeparks nearby who will make it more convenient. If you want to to lots of vert go to pds witha dh bike. (you need the travel because of the brakr bump bomb craters)

When you live in the Alps, you find that the best trails are far from the bike parks.

The best day I've ever had on a bike, title says it all:

To get back on topic: looking forward to reading some range tests on the Levo in different modes.

 

[RoissyAngel]

Long time lurker about to buy my first ebike, first post so be kind.

I visited my LBS yesterday - Uprise Bikes in Swansea. They had the pink Comp in an S3 size in the centre of the shop. The staff had just set it up and were taking photos. They also have an orange Comp in an S4 size which was about to be put together. I mainly went in to ask if they had any idea when the aluminum versions would be out.

They let me have a good look at the pink one. As I asked them if they knew when the metal frames would be available I picked up the Comp. B*gger! I tried not to wince as I lifted it. It seemed very heavy to me. As I asked my question about the aluminium frames the guy I was chatting with, half-joking I think, said that there might not be any considering the weight of the carbon ones. Back in November I happened to be in the shop the day that the Amflow was launched. They let me have a go around the car park on the Amflow Pro. I don't recall feeling that the Amflow felt particularly heavy. I certainly did not wince when lifting it. I actually felt it quite agile on the admittedly short spin around the car park.

I am new to ebikes so certainly no expert. The Levo did look lovely though. Paint finish was superb. There is no escaping that thick tube but if you want the power for the motor then I don't see the alternative with current battery tech. Apart from the weight my main concern about the bike would be the motor's reliability. Great that the belt has gone. I have watched about 2 dozen video reviews. It does sound whiney in several of them. Will that get worse as the internal gears wear I wonder? The same question, of course, can be asked of the DJI and all new motors.

One interesting thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread. One of the YT reviewers felt that cadence required to get full power when going uphill was an even imput. The reviewer said that they did not have to spin rapidly to get full power out of the motor which they felt they have to do with other motors. Another thing said was that motor sound / noise stayed uniform even when hot unlike, said the reviewer, some other motors - the Bosch SL was mentioned - which get louder when worked.

One last comment. The silver Amflow is £6,000. The comp is £6,800 but comes with wirless shifting. I just thought that interesting as, to me, they are two similar bikes. After the early adopters have bought the Levo Specialized will have to drop their prices. I just wonder what affect that will have on Amflow pricing.

 

[Polar]

It is strange that those who have not tried the G4 complain about the weight but when the alloy version arrives which will most likely weigh 1.5 kg more with the 840wh battery is when the real complaints begins.
Happy Easter

 

[WatermanJim]

It’s what I dislike most about long travel porkers with fat plus tyres - like riding a couch. The Amflow, on the other hand - I agree - is close to lively - pretty good for an emtb. I’m working on its set up to enhance this….

Plus tires are bouncy and slide out easier in corners. The 2.3 butchers on the gen 4 measure 2.25" and interestingly the cannibal 2.3s on my gen 3 are 2.45". loving the cannibals, definitely more traction in corners. slower rolling? yes.

 

[WatermanJim]

It is strange that those who have not tried the G4 complain about the weight but when the alloy version arrives which will most likely weigh 1.5 kg more with the 840wh battery is when the real complaints begins.
Happy Easter

I removed all the swat stuff first thing. parts weigh 193g./.43Lbs. Never made sense to me to add weight up that high.
I like the swat on my stumpy 130. That weight is low and easy to get at. I always ride with a small backback on the ebike anyway. not much else we can do about weight except get the 600 battery which i might do if i feel it is not as lively. first ride this afternoon. ill let you guys know how it goes.

 

[WatermanJim]

Long time lurker about to buy my first ebike, first post so be kind.

I visited my LBS yesterday - Uprise Bikes in Swansea. They had the pink Comp in an S3 size in the centre of the shop. The staff had just set it up and were taking photos. They also have an orange Comp in an S4 size which was about to be put together. I mainly went in to ask if they had any idea when the aluminum versions would be out.

They let me have a good look at the pink one. As I asked them if they knew when the metal frames would be available I picked up the Comp. B*gger! I tried not to wince as I lifted it. It seemed very heavy to me. As I asked my question about the aluminium frames the guy I was chatting with, half-joking I think, said that there might not be any considering the weight of the carbon ones. Back in November I happened to be in the shop the day that the Amflow was launched. They let me have a go around the car park on the Amflow Pro. I don't recall feeling that the Amflow felt particularly heavy. I certainly did not wince when lifting it. I actually felt it quite agile on the admittedly short spin around the car park.

I am new to ebikes so certainly no expert. The Levo did look lovely though. Paint finish was superb. There is no escaping that thick tube but if you want the power for the motor then I don't see the alternative with current battery tech. Apart from the weight my main concern about the bike would be the motor's reliability. Great that the belt has gone. I have watched about 2 dozen video reviews. It does sound whiney in several of them. Will that get worse as the internal gears wear I wonder? The same question, of course, can be asked of the DJI and all new motors.

One interesting thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread. One of the YT reviewers felt that cadence required to get full power when going uphill was an even imput. The reviewer said that they did not have to spin rapidly to get full power out of the motor which they felt they have to do with other motors. Another thing said was that motor sound / noise stayed uniform even when hot unlike, said the reviewer, some other motors - the Bosch SL was mentioned - which get louder when worked.

One last comment. The silver Amflow is £6,000. The comp is £6,800 but comes with wirless shifting. I just thought that interesting as, to me, they are two similar bikes. After the early adopters have bought the Levo Specialized will have to drop their prices. I just wonder what affect that will have on Amflow pricing.

My Lbs was preordering alloy bikes yesterday. I think some motors will be louder than others just due to manufacturing differences.

 

[Fangs2k]

Long time lurker about to buy my first ebike, first post so be kind.

I visited my LBS yesterday - Uprise Bikes in Swansea. They had the pink Comp in an S3 size in the centre of the shop. The staff had just set it up and were taking photos. They also have an orange Comp in an S4 size which was about to be put together. I mainly went in to ask if they had any idea when the aluminum versions would be out.

They let me have a good look at the pink one. As I asked them if they knew when the metal frames would be available I picked up the Comp. B*gger! I tried not to wince as I lifted it. It seemed very heavy to me. As I asked my question about the aluminium frames the guy I was chatting with, half-joking I think, said that there might not be any considering the weight of the carbon ones. Back in November I happened to be in the shop the day that the Amflow was launched. They let me have a go around the car park on the Amflow Pro. I don't recall feeling that the Amflow felt particularly heavy. I certainly did not wince when lifting it. I actually felt it quite agile on the admittedly short spin around the car park.

I am new to ebikes so certainly no expert. The Levo did look lovely though. Paint finish was superb. There is no escaping that thick tube but if you want the power for the motor then I don't see the alternative with current battery tech. Apart from the weight my main concern about the bike would be the motor's reliability. Great that the belt has gone. I have watched about 2 dozen video reviews. It does sound whiney in several of them. Will that get worse as the internal gears wear I wonder? The same question, of course, can be asked of the DJI and all new motors.

One interesting thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread. One of the YT reviewers felt that cadence required to get full power when going uphill was an even imput. The reviewer said that they did not have to spin rapidly to get full power out of the motor which they felt they have to do with other motors. Another thing said was that motor sound / noise stayed uniform even when hot unlike, said the reviewer, some other motors - the Bosch SL was mentioned - which get louder when worked.

One last comment. The silver Amflow is £6,000. The comp is £6,800 but comes with wirless shifting. I just thought that interesting as, to me, they are two similar bikes. After the early adopters have bought the Levo Specialized will have to drop their prices. I just wonder what affect that will have on Amflow pricing.

Welcome!

First things first, it’s not ‘pink’ on here it’s (ahem) Saharan Desert or some such!

The only time I truly/really notice the weight of an e-bike is when I’m trying to lift it over something on the trail. My 3 weigh in the range of 18kg to 23.5kg, and whilst there are some riding differences it’s only really apparent when I’m lifting them over a trail obstacle or something.

I couldn’t lift my 250cc Motocross bike, but it rode/raced ok!

No new bike release can occur without being compared to the Amflow it would seem, perhaps quite rightly. However, the motor is but one aspect of an e-bike, and it’s always worth considering support especially when the warranty is over.

I’ve got a 2020 Specialized SL 1.1 done 3000 miles on it, battery and motor still rocking on, but the TCU seems to have gone haywire and won’t wake up from sleep without disconnecting a cable. There’s still a dealer network to support it and that’s important to me, otherwise the bike is a wall ornament.

 

[Ridgydidge]

Plus tires are bouncy and slide out easier in corners. The 2.3 butchers on the gen 4 measure 2.25" and interestingly the cannibal 2.3s on my gen 3 are 2.45". loving the cannibals, definitely more traction in corners. slower rolling? yes.

2.2 - 2.4” for the win - even 2.5wt feel porky and less precise to me.

Well specced I’d say.

 

[emtbeast]

Is there a some kind of seal on the frame battery door/cover? Or does water get in easily when washing, especially when light pressure washing?

 

[Ride 2d@y]

I couldn’t lift my 250cc Motocross bike, but it rode/raced ok!

Looking down I see the illusion of a gas tank on my new G4

 

[David666]

There is a thin lip seal. My dealer said that It is not fully waterproof but this is not a real issue as waterproofing comes through electrical connections.

 

[Ride 2d@y]

Is there a some kind of seal on the frame battery door/cover? Or does water get in easily when washing, especially when light pressure washing?

A plastic cover is provided to cover the electrical connection for washing (battery removed)

 

[Polar]

I removed all the swat stuff first thing. parts weigh 193g./.43Lbs. Never made sense to me to add weight up that high.
I like the swat on my stumpy 130. That weight is low and easy to get at. I always ride with a small backback on the ebike anyway. not much else we can do about weight except get the 600 battery which i might do if i feel it is not as lively. first ride this afternoon. ill let you guys know how it goes.

If you can live with trail tires you can get rid of pretty much weight.

 

[Polar]

A plastic cover is provided to cover the electrical connection for washing (battery removed)

It's supposed to be IP67

 

[Polar]

Long time lurker about to buy my first ebike, first post so be kind.

I visited my LBS yesterday - Uprise Bikes in Swansea. They had the pink Comp in an S3 size in the centre of the shop. The staff had just set it up and were taking photos. They also have an orange Comp in an S4 size which was about to be put together. I mainly went in to ask if they had any idea when the aluminum versions would be out.

They let me have a good look at the pink one. As I asked them if they knew when the metal frames would be available I picked up the Comp. B*gger! I tried not to wince as I lifted it. It seemed very heavy to me. As I asked my question about the aluminium frames the guy I was chatting with, half-joking I think, said that there might not be any considering the weight of the carbon ones. Back in November I happened to be in the shop the day that the Amflow was launched. They let me have a go around the car park on the Amflow Pro. I don't recall feeling that the Amflow felt particularly heavy. I certainly did not wince when lifting it. I actually felt it quite agile on the admittedly short spin around the car park.

I am new to ebikes so certainly no expert. The Levo did look lovely though. Paint finish was superb. There is no escaping that thick tube but if you want the power for the motor then I don't see the alternative with current battery tech. Apart from the weight my main concern about the bike would be the motor's reliability. Great that the belt has gone. I have watched about 2 dozen video reviews. It does sound whiney in several of them. Will that get worse as the internal gears wear I wonder? The same question, of course, can be asked of the DJI and all new motors.

One interesting thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread. One of the YT reviewers felt that cadence required to get full power when going uphill was an even imput. The reviewer said that they did not have to spin rapidly to get full power out of the motor which they felt they have to do with other motors. Another thing said was that motor sound / noise stayed uniform even when hot unlike, said the reviewer, some other motors - the Bosch SL was mentioned - which get louder when worked.

One last comment. The silver Amflow is £6,000. The comp is £6,800 but comes with wirless shifting. I just thought that interesting as, to me, they are two similar bikes. After the early adopters have bought the Levo Specialized will have to drop their prices. I just wonder what affect that will have on Amflow pricing.

Would have liked to see that color in real and not in a picture or video because I think it looks very exciting so either it's completely wrong or amazing.