Orbea x Avinox Rumours

[Jurassic]

I can state that my experience on this is completely the opposite. I have done some collabs with Avinox / Amflow, and I have never been asked to state anything around a preference. The thing that they ask, is that the features of the motors and bikes are covered and have never asked me to say anything like that I prefer Avinox over any other motor.

Good to know Rob, thanks.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

With all due respect, if a colab includes no cost loaner bikes there is a very natural tendency to review the product favorably, because views of new products makes money through other avenues.
That said, Avinox makes good products and I don't think everyone is full of crap. But I do think in retrospect the M1 was overrated considering the efficiency and noise, not to mention that it was operating above class 1 levels so not really a level playing field.

I think that has some merit, yes. Any time creators get early access, bikes, press events or brand deals, theres potential for influence.

In my case, I’ve never been asked by DJI, Avinox or Amflow to say I prefer their system versus another brand, or to avoid comparisons. The requests have been around accurately covering the features and how their system works.

Incidentally, most of my riding crew have moved over to Avinox bikes. And every one prefers how the motor performs versus their old bike (mostly Bosch). So I think both things can be true. Yes, creators and reviewers can be influenced by access and hype. But also, a lot of normal riders who have actually bought or moved to these bikes genuinely prefer the way the Avinox system rides.

 

[Suns_PSD]

the Ocquo dropper I had on my Rise M10 was ok - worked fine with a few mm of play
nowhere near as rigid as the BikeYoke that replaced it and it has considerable rub on the rear of the stanchion.
I am around 100kg though...
would be interesting to see if they have gone to 34.9 - that would help a lot I imagine

Good to know.

Was hoping the hard wired dropper worked as well as my AXS B2 while being a bit more compact as it would not have to package the battery on the collar.
The 210mm cabled dropper that came on my '26 Wild is a turd and never worked correctly. The cable retention was also a terrible system, really bad. I'm competent in the shop but ended up just throwing it in a drawer and sending my old bike out with my well used One-up dropper instead of the new Orbea dropper.
Hopefully the hard wired one provides some tangible benefits.

 

[DylanJM]

With all due respect, if a colab includes no cost loaner bikes there is a very natural tendency to review the product favorably, because views of new products makes money through other avenues.
That said, Avinox makes good products and I don't think everyone is full of crap. But I do think in retrospect the M1 was overrated considering the efficiency and noise, not to mention that it was operating above class 1 levels so not really a level playing field.

Exactly, I imagine the perks of being a Avinox collaborator/partner are pretty good. From social media it's clear that Avinox has done a lot to get influencers and reviewers on board. It makes their life easier that the product is good and they don't have a lot of bad stuff to write about but I really do think a lot of them can't really be impartial as it's a good gig to get and no one wants to rock the boat and lose the perks of said gig.

 

[Jurassic]

Oh, that's really interesting since the rumor has always been a 170/ 180.

Take my recollection with a pinch of salt. I think they said 170/170 with the ability to over fork it but I may be mistaken (we were hit with a lot of figures and stats and I didn't write any notes). I'm 100% certain that the other info that I posted earlier was correct though but just wanted to add that the 170/170 is what I recall them saying for the sake of transparency.

 

[skizzian]

Good to know.

Was hoping the hard wired dropper worked as well as my AXS B2 while being a bit more compact as it would not have to package the battery on the collar.
The 210mm cabled dropper that came on my '26 Wild is a turd and never worked correctly. The cable retention was also a terrible system, really bad. I'm competent in the shop but ended up just throwing it in a drawer and sending my old bike out with my well used One-up dropper instead of the new Orbea dropper.
Hopefully the hard wired one provides some tangible benefits.

it may have been the same dropper https://www.orbea.com/en-gb/oc-dropper-post-mc20-31-6-remote mine was only 150 drop
this is the new RS e dropper https://www.orbea.com/en-gb/oc-electronic-dropper-post-mc1

 

[Jurassic]

I think that has some merit, yes. Any time creators get early access, bikes, press events or brand deals, theres potential for influence.

In my case, I’ve never been asked by DJI, Avinox or Amflow to say I prefer their system versus another brand, or to avoid comparisons. The requests have been around accurately covering the features and how their system works.

Incidentally, most of my riding crew have moved over to Avinox bikes. And every one prefers how the motor performs versus their old bike (mostly Bosch). So I think both things can be true. Yes, creators and reviewers can be influenced by access and hype. But also, a lot of normal riders who have actually bought or moved to these bikes genuinely prefer the way the Avinox system rides.

It's a fair point but there is a degree of diversity in the way that people ride, the terrain that they ride, who their riding peers are and their personal preference and abilities that makes any number of opinions valid.
I stated a while ago over in the new Giant Reign thread that I'd happily take lighter weight over more power/torque and I think you were of the opposite opinion (along with a lot of other people). I'm currently riding an 85nm bike and would consider going down to a 60nm bike for the weight savings. I share the opinions of Loam Wolf Drew in that I regard 60nm/sub 20kg as the ideal for my usage case but I accept that others (possibly most others) will feel differently.
All that being said, I'm definitely interested by a lighter full power bike as well (especially as more and more of my riding friends are getting full power bikes). I almost feel like I'm going to need one of each!

 

[Jurassic]

it may have been the same dropper https://www.orbea.com/en-gb/oc-dropper-post-mc20-31-6-remote mine was only 150 drop
this is the new RS e dropper https://www.orbea.com/en-gb/oc-electronic-dropper-post-mc1

Yeah, they were talking about the OC branded stuff at the presentation that I was at. I'm sure that you're right @skizzian, it'll be the RS e dropper.

 

[Jabba81]

Incidentally, most of my riding crew have moved over to Avinox bikes. And every one prefers how the motor performs versus their old bike (mostly Bosch). So I think both things can be true. Yes, creators and reviewers can be influenced by access and hype. But also, a lot of normal riders who have actually bought or moved to these bikes genuinely prefer the way the Avinox system rides.

The question is if that is also true for the power Limited Wild or only for the full powered Bikes they already have tested/bought..

 

[Lfhao]

I agree, none of the burlier Avinox bikes (Velduro, Crestline, Teewing) with an X2/38mm fork/DH tires have managed to get below the 23kg mark. Just too much weight from the bigger suspension components to possibly get much lighter. My hope was to get under 50lbs (22.7kg) on my Flux when it finally comes but I think I’ll likely end up closer to 50.5 (23kg).

22kg is easy with 600wh battery. My Crestline hit that w/o weight saving parts.

 

[Jurassic]

22kg is easy with 600wh battery. My Crestline hit that w/o weight saving parts.

So a 21.?kg figure for a Wild LT with 600wh battery is probably realistic then.
Someone asked about range extenders and the Orbea people just said no.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

It's a fair point but there is a degree of diversity in the way that people ride, the terrain that they ride, who their riding peers are and their personal preference and abilities that makes any number of opinions valid.
I stated a while ago over in the new Giant Reign thread that I'd happily take lighter weight over more power/torque and I think you were of the opposite opinion (along with a lot of other people). I'm currently riding an 85nm bike and would consider going down to a 60nm bike for the weight savings. I share the opinions of Loam Wolf Drew in that I regard 60nm/sub 20kg as the ideal for my usage case but I accept that others (possibly most others) will feel differently.
All that being said, I'm definitely interested by a lighter full power bike as well (especially as more and more of my riding friends are getting full power bikes). I almost feel like I'm going to need one of each!

COmpletely agree

In fact my preference is also changing, and can change over time - I never thought I would enjoy a shorter travel ebike over my long travel bike, but I've been massively enjoying the 150mm travel Pivot Shuttle AMP'd - even with its shorter chainstay and shorter front end.

 

[Bomble]

With the M1 they seemingly gave all the high profile YouTubers a free bike to keep. Who is ever going to slag off their free 9 grand bike?
That was in reply to post 807, the quote didn’t work.

 

[joxelitor]

But also, a lot of normal riders who have actually bought or moved to these bikes genuinely prefer the way the Avinox system rides.

That's a relevant point, along with the battery capacity and form factor.
But I disagree with the concept of Avinox over anything else.

Bosch has to redesign battery format.

And Avinox has re read the EN 15194 rules regarding to de-restriction countermeasures. Thet cannot keep ignoring the EN and allowing the NZ trick

In my opinion, the "New Zeland" effect is a key factor on Avinox equipped bikes sales
May be, they could be de-Europeized some day or being forced to down grade new and existing ebikes

 

[Jabba81]

That's a relevant point, along with the battery capacity and form factor.
But I disagree with the concept of Avinox over anything else.

Bosch has to redesign battery format.

And Avinox has re read the EN 15194 rules regarding to de-restriction countermeasures. Thet cannot keep ignoring the EN and allowing the NZ trick

In my opinion, the "New Zeland" effect is a key factor on Avinox equipped bikes sales
May be, they could be de-Europeized some day

Tell me more about the New Zealand effect, please.. I have no idea what it is..

 

[Highland Wheels]

With all due respect, if a colab includes no cost loaner bikes there is a very natural tendency to review the product favorably, because views of new products makes money through other avenues.
That said, Avinox makes good products and I don't think everyone is full of crap. But I do think in retrospect the M1 was overrated considering the efficiency and noise, not to mention that it was operating above class 1 levels so not really a level playing field.

You really need to stop banging on about this apparent inefficiency that the M1 doesn't actually have in the real world

 

[Rando_12345]

A silver lining to the 750W limit if it comes true tomorrow, is that we will almost certainly see an Avinox sub 2kg 750W 80-100Nm motor come out next year if it happens. (All speculation)

 

[Larsey]

Well I think that Alex has hinted that he thinks that most bike testers are being "influenced" by DJI to say that they prefer the Avinox and not to do a direct comparison between (for example) Bosch and Avinox motor performance and power traits. To be fair I have also read that some people think that Alex is biased against Avinox (I personally don't subscribe to that view).

And lots of viewers think Alex might be biased towards Bosch ($ maybe)

 

[Lfhao]

So a 21.?kg figure for a Wild LT with 600wh battery is probably realistic then.
Someone asked about range extenders and the Orbea people just said no.

21kg I guess 600wh + trail ties + lots of carbon + cable group set can do. Plus wild suspension/frame design is lighter than Crestline VPP by default.

Extender is an Avinox thing I don’t think Orbea has much say about it and unfortunately it seems not a priority for Avinox at the moment.

 

[Suns_PSD]

You really need to stop banging on about this apparent inefficiency that the M1 doesn't actually have in the real world

Take it up with Avinox, not me. They're the ones that listed it specifically as an improvement with the M2. The tight seal and the heavy force it took to turn the cranks with the motor was off was well documented on the M1.
If that's not an acknowledgment of what was pretty obvious, I'm not sure what is.

 

[404]

Tell me more about the New Zealand effect, please.. I have no idea what it is..

or Hongkong or.... its about setting the bike to 25kmh /32kmh/45kmh

 

[zakflip]

Got to see the entry point Orbea Wild with the Avinox M2S today.
Full carbon, 800wh
Zeb forks, with fox x float rear shock.
Mx wheel set up.
Regular wired shimano drive train.
E-thirteen cranks 34T chain ring (i think)
The colour I saw was ( three choices)
Retail in the UK £6199.
It was a really nice looking bike.

 

[dadeadduck]

Got to see the entry point Orbea Wild with the Avinox M2S today.
Full carbon, 800wh
Zeb forks, with fox x float rear shock.
Mx wheel set up.
Regular wired shimano drive train.
E-thirteen cranks 34T chain ring (i think)
The colour I saw was ( three choices)
Retail in the UK £6199.
It was a really nice looking bike.

What were the brakes and dropper?

Gotta ask my company to raise the C2W limit!

 

[zakflip]

What were the brakes and dropper?

Gotta ask my company to raise the C2W limit!

wasnt able to check as it was not fully built.

 

[brendand]

What were the brakes and dropper?

Gotta ask my company to raise the C2W limit!

From what I understand, they're SRAM Maven Silvers. However, that may depend on the specific build.

 

[Bomble]

A silver lining to the 750W limit if it comes true tomorrow, is that we will almost certainly see an Avinox sub 2kg 750W 80-100Nm motor come out next year if it happens. (All speculation)

Hopefully they will be working on a gearbox motor

 

[ntm95]

That's right in line with the 23kg estimate. It's got 10mm less fork travel and doesn't have a DH casing front tire, I assume no inserts in that weight either which many of the real world numbers have included. It seems somewhere around 23kg +/- 500g is the sweet spot for these longer travel DJI based bikes. Put in the 600Wh and they'd be impressively light and still have tons of power and descending capabilities. I really wish more of the companies selling DJI bikes would give you an option between the 600/800 battery, maybe it'll be a thing if they ever come out with a smaller range extender that I expect many would want to have available before committing to the 600Wh main battery.

My e-dread was 53.5 pounds with a 800wh.
With a 600wh, carbon wheels, and dh casing tires, it's 48.7 pounds.
I agree that it's odd that more 600wh aren't available. The handling difference is quite noticeable.

 

[Durrti]

Got to see the entry point Orbea Wild with the Avinox M2S today.
Full carbon, 800wh
Zeb forks, with fox x float rear shock.
Mx wheel set up.
Regular wired shimano drive train.
E-thirteen cranks 34T chain ring (i think)
The colour I saw was ( three choices)
Retail in the UK £6199.
It was a really nice looking bike.

Is it still headset cable routing? Biggest gripe about my Bosch wild

 

[xtraman122]

My e-dread was 53.5 pounds with a 800wh.
With a 600wh, carbon wheels, and dh casing tires, it's 48.7 pounds.
I agree that it's odd that more 600wh aren't available. The handling difference is quite noticeable.

I don't think we can even buy it separately in the US either, although that may have changed.

 

[zakflip]

Is it still headset cable routing? Biggest gripe about my Bosch wild

Nope, back to internal cable frame routing.