If my information is correct there won't be a 750W limit or at least it will be optional and left up to the rider.
Orbea x Avinox Rumours
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that would be a good deal.
in the past i ordered two wild fs with the fast charger from bosch and i got both.
so i hope the option would mean that i get the 4A and 12A.
I will use the 12A only if i need it and otherwise the 4A
Correct.
not sure anybody knows what they've capped the Avinox at, as yet.
looks like it has the Avinox 800W battery - so it could conceivably be set to 1300W max - but maybe not in the RS Control App
it's going to be a LOT more than the 40nm on the current Rallon that's for sure
Jabba81
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I hope so... I really want to stay with Orbea, but if we can't use the full power, I will be gone. Mondraker and Velduro are also producing nice bikes. And Velduro for example also sell framesets, so I could potentially build it up myself with the parts I want.
Okay. This afternoon I'll go to my LBS to check if I have access to the configurator, see what can be modified, and add the component modifications to my M-Team order.was the same in the old config with bosch. still both bikes came with both chargers.
150€ would be the difference to the 12A so you could be right.
i will for sure click that option and find out
I'll keep you posted!
That Velduro has quite poor quality control and a heavy frame set and the Zendit has poor dropper insertion and might be a bit fragile.
Select the best bike would be my advise.
Loving that purple Wild!
As far as the Geo, I've heard it's identical to the Bosch Wild but maybe the longer fork has changed things a bit, or been compensated for?
Why do you say that the Rogue has a poor quality control?
Because I was very interested in one and have been closely following the thread. It's also heavy.
Honestly if I wanted that bike, the Norco Ranger VLT is much better quality, weight distribution, overall weight and nearly identical in geo, suspension, etc.
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Thisyes indeed! it looks like it offers both frame and headset (aaaargghhh) cable entry.
dirtsufer
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Same. Mechanical all the way. This is the reason why I'm leaning towards configuring an M20 and upgrading the suspension bits and wheels. Speaking of wheels, does anyone here have experience with the Oquo carbon rims? Leaning towards Reserve wheels given the quality of the wheels and warranty.
The other side of the same coin is that I’d be swayed by an Orbea that balanced power with battery consumption, as somebody who is interested in the Rallon RS I wouldn’t want max power but would fancy the lower price tag.
That said, on some level it makes no sense to spec a motor with 1300w/1500w and then only allow 750w, so it would be logical to go with ‘factory’ tune at whatever they want to set it at but allow owners to select higher power (albeit still assist limited to 25kph), but I guess we’ll find out soon enough what they actually end up doing.
action99
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You should look at the Velduro thread and not pay much attention to people that do not have one.
Most of the issues are not greased parts at delivery. People are very happy with the bike, including me.
On the weight people on that thread are showing their real weight not manufacturing claimed.
I would definitely compare the new Orbea, Velduro and others as there are some terrific bikes coming available
I've got Oquo carbon rims on my Wild M-LTD. About 3,000 km of pretty rough trails and they're still holding up perfectly. No complaints so far.
There are very real legal liability concerns with selling supposedly Class 1 bikes, that are in fact not Class 1.
Not trying to go down this rabbit hole, yet again, but it's pretty cut and dry actually and there could be real financial consequences for flaunting these laws. Usually, the government is behind on regulation, but when they catch up, they usually are not forgiving.
As enthusiasts, we want all the things. But if instead we were running a 100-million-dollar employee-owned company whose future depended on your wise decision making, the calculus would be much different.
For example, Bosch warned VW that the diesel tunes that bypassed emissions were for lab testing purposes exclusively, yet they still provided the defeat tunes and consequently were fined 100 million dollars. The government didn't buy the 'but I didn't know excuse'. Is it actually shocking that Bosch are towing the legal line when it comes to Class 1 and that Orbea will possibly do the same?
Additionally, when Orbea is considering drivetrain wear, battery life, warranty claims there are other good arguments besides legality to limit power to the Class 1 limit. Orbea does lock down their tunes hard. It will be hard to defeat, as it should be.
The Avinox motor is an AMAZING motor system and looks great too. From what I know this new Wild is now the premier Avinox e-bike on the market.
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That’s fine, but I’m not even considering a Wild if Orbea locks down and restricts their Avinox’s output to Class 1 only. I’d go so far to say I’m pretty confident I share the majority opinion on the matter. Further, I predict Orbea will be the laughing stock of eMTB and suffer a significant hit to their standing in the market. Your move Orbea.
they certainly weren't laughing stock when they did it to the Rise, the 40Nm Rallon did get a little bit of stick though...
A different time, and different motor will make such a decision go over like a lead balloon. Its Orbea’s reputation and bottom line at stake. It’ll at least be interesting to see. I wish Orbea only the worst if they do make such a unilateral move. Let’s hope they don’t because I’m legitimately considering a Wild.
Were you shopping for a new (or replacement) Avinox bike? You (and I!) have made it pretty clear where we stand on the power wars.
No one will laugh if it's the best performing bike. It's not a motocross bike after all and max power is not a primary concern. Or even a top 5 concern once you have 'enough' to make the steepest climbs bearable. There will be lesser bikes (i.e. Amflow) that will not be power restricted (if the Wild really is power restricted, we don't really know yet) still available to you.
I think that until recently, you are right, that a majority of potential customers would have been put off by any power restrictions, me included. That said, as time has moved on, I think that most astute e-bike riders have either read enough or ridden enough to recognize that 1000+ watts has next to no real-world applications for actual mountain biking. It's frankly absurd, at a minimum from the battery usage standpoint. Besides, it's not legal on public bike trails. In short, I think the tide is shifting.
But if say Pivot for example, a great little American bike company, gets fined by a government for selling 1300-watt/ 28 mph bikes and portraying them as Class 1, or someone gets killed either on the bike or by the bike that was once again portrayed as Class 1, when it clearly wasn't, Orbea will not be the 'laughing stock' as you say. They will have behaved in a responsible manner and protected their bottom line.
Can you imagine the liability, for example, in some countries they sell scooters that are legal as long as they have a lower displacement that exempt them from certain licensing and other requirements, but then some manufacturer just decided to DOUBLE that and act like it was okay and was still below the legal threshold and sell them as such!? The risk to your company and its resources is positively insane. The irresponsibility to your employees/ shareholders/ customers/ investors is positively grotesque.
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brendand
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I heard that also from an Orbea rep.
That's what I've been told as well — 100% no power limit. I pre-ordered an M-LTD, and I was assured that there would definitely be no power restrictions.
Damn, looks like suns can’t buy the new orbea in the future. Would go against everything he stands for as seen on every single thread on emtb forums lol.
Let’s give the regulation talks a break. We all know where everybody stands in this circling argument. There’s also already 40 regulation threads.
The Wild in particular is attractive to me. So much so I demoed the Bosch version and was impressed. I might have ordered one if it wasn’t for the Bosch motor failing to officially offer Class 3 capability. That is a dealbreaker. That’s why an Avinox Wild renews my interest.
I fully support the Wild having a Class 1 selectable preset for those who want to adhere to that, but I wouldn’t buy any Orbea in perpetuity if they try to force it on us. Conversely there’s a good chance I’d order an Avinox Wild If they choose to align with free will. I’m totally binary on this issue personally.
Evidence of me demoing a Bosch Wild at Dreamy Draw recreation area in North Phoenix below.
I'm just watching from the sidelines on this one as I'm very happy with my current '26 Wild.
Still I'm excited to hear about y'all's reviews.
Jabba81
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I have the 2023 Bosch Wild an it's an awesome Bike. I mostly ride it in Tour and Eco. Sometimes I also do Turbo tours... The Avinox Wild I would use about the same.
But there are 3 short climbs on my Hometrails where I can't get up, and that's why I want a full power Avinox. If they limit the power, I don't need a new Wild
But there are 3 short climbs on my Hometrails where I can't get up, and that's why I want a full power Avinox. If they limit the power, I don't need a new Wild
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