Being launched Tuesday. Saw a pic of both new bikes last week. Hear SL being discontinued also
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The geo is not really up to modern standards.
Stack is way low, and the dropper insertion is abysmal.
Yet I am sure there are still many happy Kenevo SL riders. Just because the numbers are not bang up to date doesn't mean it's a bad bike.
Sure, I had one. It chaps me that specialized keeps screwing around building 55 pound levo's for geriatrics, and won't give us an updated version of the kenevo sl. With a few tweaks it'd be the bike to have, as it once was.
But the Levo outsells the SL by more than 10/1. Not hard to see why it’s getting the chop
Specialized knows that us boomers, now retired, have plenty of time to ride - and we need both power AND range!
I 100% agree that the kenevo sl in current form needs to go away, it has an outdated power system, questionable geometry, and other quirks. As compared to the present competition.
I like the concept of a "super enduro" bike with a mid power system though.
The levo 4 being full power is about it's only selling point. It has a terrible f/r ratio that not only makes it corner poorly, but also accentuates it's prodigious mass. But I get it, not everybody is a bike nerd.
The Kenevo SL (and its 19 kg) is still a spectacular enduro bike if you have strong legs. My S4 with a 180 mm dropper post has plenty of clearance, fantastic rear suspension, and great stability—it's very fast.
The Levo 4 with Cascade and 170/170 mm, weighs less than 24 kg, has strong suspension, and proper tires; it's more agile and balanced than the good Gen3.
The new update makes the motor VERY competitive.
With the 600 mAh battery, it weighs just over 22.5 kg in enduro configuration.
Have you actually ridden these two bikes before writing this?
The Levo 4 with Cascade and 170/170 mm, weighs less than 24 kg, has strong suspension, and proper tires; it's more agile and balanced than the good Gen3.
The new update makes the motor VERY competitive.
With the 600 mAh battery, it weighs just over 22.5 kg in enduro configuration.
Have you actually ridden these two bikes before writing this?
I owned a kenevo sl (in s4), and spent a day on a demo levo 4.
And have owned or tried many (many) modern acoustic enduro bikes and e-bikes. Terrain is generally black/double black southwestern alberta and southern bc, canada..
I don't mind the kenevo sl still, it was ahead of it's time. It is behind current times though, a ride on a yeti mte or even a transition relay makes that quite obvious. The longish reach, low stack, f/r ratio, and dropper position are several years behind the curve at this point. Can you still ride one fast ? Sure, but not as easily as more modern stuff.
The levo 4 might be okay for some if you had a more old school technique where you were driving the front end through your hands, but I'm firmly in the "centered" rider position camp. The 435mm chainstays and resulting long front center made it feel sluggish, and required quite a bit of weight shifting around to corner aggressively.
It's a good bike as compared to e-bikes of previous generations, but doesn't hold up well in direct comparison to the most recent crop, in my experience. Of course, that only matters if you directly compare them.
I agree about the handling and the way the Gen 4 rides, the first time I rode it something felt very off with its handling. But as you say not everyone is a bike nerd and they have to build a bike that caters for the mass market, so I kinda understand it .
The 2 bikes I was shown last week. Were just another version of the Gen 4, smaller batt, different shocks. I was told the SL is being discontinued.
I also enjoy black and double black trails; in fact, that's what I do 95% of my rides.
That's why I always run the chainstays in the long positivos on the Kenevo SL, Levo SL, and Levo3 and Levo4.
With that setup, the Levo4 has a 446mm chainstay length with a mullet wheel and handles much more smoothly.
But not everyone bases their MTB experience on black trails; I understand that short chainstays are for them.
sethimus
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all sl mtb bikes are discounted for dealers atm. and there is a new vado sl with a 360wh battery again
shenzi105
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pretty interesting that we had so many spy shots, leaked info and specs of the Levo 4 in the week preceding to its release and this time, a few days before this one, we have nothing.
I was shown 2 pics of both bikes last week, and told they are out next week.
Does it look like the Levo 4 or more like the SL frame? Removable battery with ugly door?
In regard to the door, I've been very happy with the design that allows SWAT and facilitates battery removal etc.
It’s identical to the normal Gen 4 frame with removable battery.
DuncanDoughnuts
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Exact same front triangle….
Yes sir, the best battery extraction system in the entire Turbo Levo series
for that you need just a small battery (600Wh not small enough for You?
), not a new bike
Albertocsoares
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Do you mean both the Levo R and the Levo Evo?
Only the seatpost angle is old-fashioned, but so am I.
I've probably ridden them more over the years than the new Geo bikes. So I'm used to them.
The stack is low, but that can be fixed with a high rise bar that doesn't shorten the reach
It’s basically the same “lightweight” bike they had on display when the Levo 4 first came out.
The R is using the 36SL fork, the non-reservoir genie shock and the 600wh battery. I’m still scratching my head on the brake choice though, who puts Motive brakes on a 40+lb ebike?!?
The R is using the 36SL fork, the non-reservoir genie shock and the 600wh battery. I’m still scratching my head on the brake choice though, who puts Motive brakes on a 40+lb ebike?!?
The Mavens have some serious stopping power. Obviously depends on what you are riding but I almost went over the bars on first ride not realizing how powerful they were. I assume most people buying R version aren't looking for serious downhill but just a fun trail bike so should be adequate for majority of riders. I say this coming from analog trail bike to the levo and it still feels like an absolute beast with overbuilt components but I know I don't push the limits of the bike at all.
Loamranger
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Really? The KSL has pretty good geometry, the others have been catching up.
"Lightweight" Motive brakes have probably been specified to keep bike weight down.
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Plus current Gen 4 owners who buy the Levo R will be able to to swap their 840 and 600 back and forth which appeals to me
sethimus
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orbea put 180mm sl rotors combined with 8120s on the first gen rise
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