Motor upgrade to M2s

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Really intersting that this chap got sent just the M2s motor and switched it with his M1, and he only needed to change the speed sensor. I would 100% buy the motor upgrade. I love my PL Pro, and if I could get a totally silent motor it would be perfect, I don't need more power, but would def take the M2s for the other refinements !

Come on Amflow, offer the motor as a upgrade !

 

[DToX]

My buddy reached out to amflow support and was told they do not offer a way to upgrade to the M2S. Then gave some BS reasons they couldn't do it.

Lets hope they change their tune, I know many users would love to order the parts and upgrade.

 

[Highland Wheels]

My buddy reached out to amflow support and was told they do not offer a way to upgrade to the M2S. Then gave some BS reasons they couldn't do it.

Lets hope they change their tune, I know many users would love to order the parts and upgrade.

Of course AMflow would rather you just bought a new bike from them

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Buy a new bike with the M2S, swap the motors and motor cover, return said new bike and BOOM, motor upgrade.

 

[Rideit]

It’s so…cute that people think Avinox will have additional manufacturing capacity for so much as a motor bolt after announcing motors for what, 20+ new brands?
It’s kind of hilarious.
Offering an aftermarket motor is likely the least, least, least priority for them.
Just buy the damn new bike, I mean, what are you gonna do with the old M1 motor anyway?
Better to sell the old bike as a functioning unit.

 

[Powerslider]

Offering an aftermarket motor is likely the least, least, least priority for them.
Just buy the damn new bike, I mean, what are you gonna do with the old M1 motor anyway?
Better to sell the old bike as a functioning unit.

What would people pay for an M2S upgrade kit? It’s not going to be $450; it’d likely be well over $1000. Seems to me there’d be very, very few people that would upgrade instead of just buying a new bike.

Even if we assume Avinox makes $500 per kit; and they sell 10,000 kits a year, the upgrade program would bring only $5000 a year in revenue. Not even close to worth creating the program.

 

[Rideit]

Exactly. (Well, except for the math, lol) Humans are so strange.

 

[dadeadduck]

What would people pay for an M2S upgrade kit? It’s not going to be $450; it’d likely be well over $1000. Seems to me there’d be very, very few people that would upgrade instead of just buying a new bike.

Even if we assume Avinox makes $500 per kit; and they sell 10,000 kits a year, the upgrade program would bring only $5000 a year in revenue. Not even close to worth creating the program.

It's 5m a year.

They made and sold more M1 motors than bikes last year. They could be ordered by supported partners.

Some people might not want a whole new 6k-9k bike when their other components on the old bike are a higher spec than any new bike. Older motors sell quickly on eBay.

 

[Fangs2k]

Has any mainstream manufacturer ever offered an official motor upgrade path?

Motor manufacturers supply bike manufacturers, they’d much rather you purchased a whole new bike (or at least a frame set) rather than upgrade your old battery/motor, and they wouldn’t thank the motor manufacturers for undermining that.

Would be great if they did though!

 

[Veefour]

Has any mainstream manufacturer ever offered an official motor upgrade path?

Motor manufacturers supply bike manufacturers, they’d much rather you purchased a whole new bike (or at least a frame set) rather than upgrade your old battery/motor, and they wouldn’t thank the motor manufacturers for undermining that.

Would be great if they did though!

This thread's worth a read. The guy's called Jeff Brines and he starts talking about Amflow/DJI about halfway down the page. If the Fox stuff is true, that's nuts.

Client Challenge

 

[Fangs2k]

This thread's worth a read. The guy's called Jeff Brines and he starts talking about Amflow/DJI about halfway down the page. If the Fox stuff is true, that's nuts.

Client Challenge

Interesting, and agree if the Fox data is true then amazeballs!

More interesting to me was the idea that Amflows main USP was the Avinox motor but now that about 15-20 other brands with the motor have just dropped then seems a challenging strategy.

 

[Veefour]

Interesting, and agree if the Fox data is true then amazeballs!

More interesting to me was the idea that Amflows main USP was the Avinox motor but now that about 15-20 other brands with the motor have just dropped then seems a challenging strategy.

He goes into more depth here.

Is DJI Reshaping the Bike Industry?

Avinox and Amflow may be disrupting the mountain bike industry with implications far beyond anything we've seen for decades (or ever)...

jeffbrines.substack.com

 

[westcoastmtbr]

Wow, the M1 more is going from revolutionary to outdated?

 

[slickrock]

He goes into more depth here.

Is DJI Reshaping the Bike Industry?

Avinox and Amflow may be disrupting the mountain bike industry with implications far beyond anything we've seen for decades (or ever)...

jeffbrines.substack.com

If they are going vertical, which is an interesting play, there's one main component that's not on the list of components they that they are now branding according to this article: The transmission drivetrain. This implies that working on an MGU would be a HUGE, HUGE strategic play in this vein. They could lock the whole industry up and quick.

 

[Astro66]

Wow, the M1 more is going from revolutionary to outdated?

I have the M1 motor, and have a new bike coming with the M2S.

With the M1 motor, I only use the 1000Watt / 105Nm mode on a very few climbs, and only for a brief period in a really difficult section. I never use the 1000Watt / 120Nm Mode.

For most of my technical climbing I use 850Watt / 105Nm mode.

And then most of the rest of the time, I'm using 600Watt / 80Nm Mode.

The M1 bike is the Amflow PL Carbon Pro with 800Wh battery. It's super light, being about 20.5kg as I have mulleted it and taken as much weight off as possible. The M1 motor on this bike is perfect, as it's the lightest motor.

The new bike coming is a burley 180/178 High Pivot Enduro, which weighs 22.9kgs. The extra power from the M2S won't go astray, as this bike isn't designed to be a climber, and I can brute force it up technical climbs with the extra power and torque.

I will keep both bikes. One will be my downhill barnstormer. One will be my adventure rides bike. I think I have the perfect combo of bikes. I literally want for nothing else.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Imagine folk wanting to extend the life of their current ebike by being able to swap a motor out that'll swap right in. Instead of just binning it and buying a new one

This single use, wastefulness that seems to have taken off the (E)MTB world /general world these days is fucking awful. Funnily enough, Generally supported mostly by Americans

Cute, eh

 

[sethimus]

Even if we assume Avinox makes $500 per kit; and they sell 10,000 kits a year, the upgrade program would bring only $5000 a year in revenue. Not even close to worth creating the program.

your math is not mathing

 

[sethimus]

Imagine folk wanting to extend the life of their current ebike by being able to swap a motor out that'll swap right in. Instead of just binning it and buying a new one

This single use, wastefulness that seems to have taken off the (E)MTB world /general world these days is fucking awful. Funnily enough, Generally supported mostly by Americans

Cute, eh

at some point you will probably be able to get one via grey market. but at launch? be real...

 

[Brawwp]

Imagine folk wanting to extend the life of their current ebike by being able to swap a motor out that'll swap right in. Instead of just binning it and buying a new one

This single use, wastefulness that seems to have taken off the (E)MTB world /general world these days is fucking awful. Funnily enough, Generally supported mostly by Americans

Cute, eh

What would you do with the old motor? I’m American so of course I would trash that piece of crap, but from the perspective of a non wasteful fella, what’s the plan? Would be a hard sell id think. So the other side of that is if you truly feel you need to upgrade motor, you probably could sell the entire bike/motor package much easier allowing the next user to enjoy the bike/motor combo (not wasteful) and allowing you to then purchase your next bike.

 

[Highland Wheels]

at some point you will probably be able to get one via grey market. but at launch? be real...

Probably, I wouldn't want one now anyway. The M1 is still more than enough motor for everyone really, Providing you accept the negatives it has.

If I can swap one in to prolong the life, or keep it relevant more so, of my current Forbidden for an extra couple of years until an Avinox MGU appears then that would do me.

100% they are working on an internal gearbox type motor as we speak, Realistically it's the only way that bikes/motors/drivetrain are truly going to evolve now and it's only a matter of time really.

 

[Highland Wheels]

What would you do with the old motor? I’m American so of course I would trash that piece of crap, but from the perspective of a non wasteful fella, what’s the plan? Would be a hard sell id think. So the other side of that is if you truly feel you need to upgrade motor, you probably could sell the entire bike/motor package much easier allowing the next user to enjoy the bike/motor combo (not wasteful) and allowing you to then purchase your next bike.

Id swap out the current motor when/if it has issues or dies. Which going by how many miles folks such as Unno have gotten out their original M1 test bike, May prove to be never

Used Ebike prices are also awful, well in the UK anyway.

 

[Fangs2k]

Used Ebike prices are also awful, well in the UK anyway.

They never seem to be when I’m looking to buy one!

 

[Highland Wheels]

They never seem to be when I’m looking to buy one!

The difference between advertised price and actual sale price has quite a disparity

 

[Brawwp]

Id swap out the current motor when/if it has issues or dies. Which going by how many miles folks such as Unno have gotten out their original M1 test bike, May prove to be never

Used Ebike prices are also awful, well in the UK anyway.

Very true! It’s outrageous how much value you lose and within like 1 year lol.

 

[action99]

You have a 1 year old bike that you brought for 8-9k and you could now update it for 1k minus resale of M1 300$ or sell the bike for less than half and buy a new one… I would take the 1k upgrade, much cheaper

 

[Watty]

I’m personally not fussed about the motor upgrade but I’m pissed that I can’t get a fast charger for my current now outdated M1 , only had the bike 6 weeks and bought it on the sales pitch of being able to charge it fast , I was led to believe the fast charger was included but bike came with standard charger .
I do big days out and have an extra battery for my other ebike , since buying the new bike I’ve hardly ridden it because I can’t do a quick charge at lunchtime like the sales pitch told me and I can’t buy a fast charger separate because there are non available anywhere so my new 6 week old bike is worthless to me , I’m seriously considering selling it and just keeping my old bike to save myself £7k .
I will be writing to the manufacturer to ask when the chargers will be available to buy

 

[sethimus]

but why? is your old motor suddently not good enough anymore? same thing with phones. i'm still on an iphone 13 mini. i don't get that sentiment. your bike will ride exactly the same, maybe a bit less noise. that's it.

 

[Highland Wheels]

I’m personally not fussed about the motor upgrade but I’m pissed that I can’t get a fast charger for my current now outdated M1 , only had the bike 6 weeks and bought it on the sales pitch of being able to charge it fast , I was led to believe the fast charger was included but bike came with standard charger .
I do big days out and have an extra battery for my other ebike , since buying the new bike I’ve hardly ridden it because I can’t do a quick charge at lunchtime like the sales pitch told me and I can’t buy a fast charger separate because there are non available anywhere so my new 6 week old bike is worthless to me , I’m seriously considering selling it and just keeping my old bike to save myself £7k .
I will be writing to the manufacturer to ask when the chargers will be available to buy

Fast chargers are available to buy and have been for months

 

[mmcengineer]

What would people pay for an M2S upgrade kit? It’s not going to be $450; it’d likely be well over $1000. Seems to me there’d be very, very few people that would upgrade instead of just buying a new bike.

Even if we assume Avinox makes $500 per kit; and they sell 10,000 kits a year, the upgrade program would bring only $5000 a year in revenue. Not even close to worth creating the program.

500 x 10,000 = 5,000,000

 

[Megaslow]

I’m personally not fussed about the motor upgrade but I’m pissed that I can’t get a fast charger for my current now outdated M1 , only had the bike 6 weeks and bought it on the sales pitch of being able to charge it fast , I was led to believe the fast charger was included but bike came with standard charger .
I do big days out and have an extra battery for my other ebike , since buying the new bike I’ve hardly ridden it because I can’t do a quick charge at lunchtime like the sales pitch told me and I can’t buy a fast charger separate because there are non available anywhere so my new 6 week old bike is worthless to me , I’m seriously considering selling it and just keeping my old bike to save myself £7k .
I will be writing to the manufacturer to ask when the chargers will be available to buy

What charger are you talking about? My PL carbon came with a 12a 508w charger, I believe that is the “Fast Charger”, were you expecting something faster?