I am pretty sure EMTB also has traction control. I can do climbs without failure that before were hit and miss in EMTB as tuned a bove and in 2nd or 3rd gear. I get no traction loss (or just for 1 second) even though my climbing style is up on the pedals and therefore more focused on keeping the front wheel planted.Thanks for taking the time to offer your settings. I've had quite a few rides now on the bike and I have made some dramatic changes
Assist/Dynamic/Nm/Watts
Turbo 3/2/110/700
emtb+ 2/2/105/650
Auto 2/2/105/625
Tour+ 2/1/85/500
The biggest change was to ditch Eco in favour of emtb+. I did that for two reasons, I never used Eco and emtb+ has traction control (or dynamic control as Bosch call it).
I opted for Tour + instead of Tour solely because Bosch said it was better for mtb, and it is.
Then finally I replaced emtb with Auto. I set up Auto with the same settings that I had for emtb. The feel of it and the way it works, works really well for me.
I have slowly increased the power settings as I got used to the bike, but I hardly use Turbo. The settings are mostly just one higher than for emtb+/
I need to get out more!
More power, more torque?
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Interesting. The fact that I failed to get up previous climbs in emtb, I put down to the lack of traction control. It may have course have been the other settings, like torque and power. Or it may have been a temporary lack of skill! What made me change was Bosch's claim that emtb+ and Turbo had TC. They did not include emtb in that TC statement. It was so definitive that I just reacted by ditching emtb in favour of emtb+ and it worked with all the same settings. I did not record the link.
Montana St Alum
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People can do whatever they want, but an invalid could get up about anything at 95NM and 600 watts, unless the algorithm is you don't get 600w until you put in 600. I'm guessing it's more like put in 100, get 600.
I have been thinking about this exact question for awhile, kinda pairs with all the social media hate towards emtn bike riders. A pedal assist is the only topic that comes to mind, if it has a throttle, is an electric moped that should be registered for on road use.
I have a couple of Rocky Mountain powerplays, both are the 108nm motor, one is a Altitude and one is a instinct, two totally different bikes imo in feel, one is a 12sp and the other is a 11sp, the 11sp is a much better climbing bike, the 12sp is faster and a touch lighter.
I am 47, pretty fit with good endurance and stamina, I also ride a 210hp mountain snowmobile definitely do not need that extra HP but its alot of fun when you want it, but I am no professional rider by any means lol.
The thing that I am having a thought on, is with more power, you are just going faster, In my case anyway. I generally ride in eco and lower the power % setting on the eco tune 25% actually, and after my ride my legs are on fire. I keep a cadence of 100 to 120 depending on the terrain so the complaints from the so called “analog riders” that they get a better workout is puzzling to me, I am still putting the same effort in but going faster, analog riders seem to struggle with that fact.
Do that make sence?
I recently upgraded my bikes to the 1000w tune from 700w, it spins the cadence up much faster then before, again it made the bike faster, on my rides I can easily average 20kph, the bike is way faster then my talent allows especially on a narrow single track. If I put it on ludicrous, it will be hitting the speed limiter on a gravel road and it fatigues my legs out faster, so I avoid that power setting especially on a single track, it gets up to speed quick. I would love to try a demo of other bike brands to see how they feel and bring the power on, rocky is known for a natural bike feel, it even more noticeable with the recent power upgrade.
I guess what I am getting at if my RM had the power of a Avinox motor it would be alot of fun but short lived do to the speed limiter and a lack of talent on my part. I absolutely love being out there, it pretty fun and peaceful which it should be for everyone, regardless what you ride.
Whats everyone else’s experience with the different brands?
I have a couple of Rocky Mountain powerplays, both are the 108nm motor, one is a Altitude and one is a instinct, two totally different bikes imo in feel, one is a 12sp and the other is a 11sp, the 11sp is a much better climbing bike, the 12sp is faster and a touch lighter.
I am 47, pretty fit with good endurance and stamina, I also ride a 210hp mountain snowmobile definitely do not need that extra HP but its alot of fun when you want it, but I am no professional rider by any means lol.
The thing that I am having a thought on, is with more power, you are just going faster, In my case anyway. I generally ride in eco and lower the power % setting on the eco tune 25% actually, and after my ride my legs are on fire. I keep a cadence of 100 to 120 depending on the terrain so the complaints from the so called “analog riders” that they get a better workout is puzzling to me, I am still putting the same effort in but going faster, analog riders seem to struggle with that fact.
Do that make sence?
I recently upgraded my bikes to the 1000w tune from 700w, it spins the cadence up much faster then before, again it made the bike faster, on my rides I can easily average 20kph, the bike is way faster then my talent allows especially on a narrow single track. If I put it on ludicrous, it will be hitting the speed limiter on a gravel road and it fatigues my legs out faster, so I avoid that power setting especially on a single track, it gets up to speed quick. I would love to try a demo of other bike brands to see how they feel and bring the power on, rocky is known for a natural bike feel, it even more noticeable with the recent power upgrade.
I guess what I am getting at if my RM had the power of a Avinox motor it would be alot of fun but short lived do to the speed limiter and a lack of talent on my part. I absolutely love being out there, it pretty fun and peaceful which it should be for everyone, regardless what you ride.
Whats everyone else’s experience with the different brands?
Montana St Alum
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It makes perfect sense. Getting your heart rate up, no matter the method, is a good thing for fitness. I'm running one-to-one support on my Fazua, with 120w supplied as I hit 120w from my input. Even at close to 10,000' elevation on steep, techy terrain, that is much easier than on my MTB.
What I have noticed, though, is a degradation in my ability to produce bursts of power (as in fast twitch muscles) on my MTB when I begin to get hung up on rocky, rooty climbing switchbacks. Even at the low torque and power I use, that has been an unwelcome side effect - a dependence on the motor to get out of trouble. Part of that is, you really don't need technique that is as dialed in with a motor.
The same was true when I was in the Navy as an adversary instructor. If I went 2 weeks in the F-16 and then went to the A-4, I got my ass kicked. The A-4 required impeccable technique. With the F-16, you'd always win, if you wanted, but it was only necessary to plug in burner and point the nose straight up. Fun, but skills could degrade quickly!
That's my experience with E-mtbs; super fun, but....
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Mario Antony
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Well...
With Orbea Wild release, and RS tune (or should I say DETUNED!
) Avinox M2S, we have ourselfs a statement from a well known manufacture, with amazing ebikes.
750W = no need for more
Detuned motor, and more engaged with the rider
Meaning, standard motor wasn't/isn't that refined!
And if we fetch memories from recent past, we'll check, that Orbea never did a RS (de)tune on Bosch CX4 nor CX5 motors.
You know... just saying!
But, please, let's see your position!
PS: the beauty, is that most will want RS (de)tune on their AVINOX!!!! ahahahahaha
With Orbea Wild release, and RS tune (or should I say DETUNED!
) Avinox M2S, we have ourselfs a statement from a well known manufacture, with amazing ebikes.750W = no need for more
Detuned motor, and more engaged with the rider
Meaning, standard motor wasn't/isn't that refined!
And if we fetch memories from recent past, we'll check, that Orbea never did a RS (de)tune on Bosch CX4 nor CX5 motors.
You know... just saying!
But, please, let's see your position!
PS: the beauty, is that most will want RS (de)tune on their AVINOX!!!! ahahahahaha
I accept there are lots of riders that aim for KOMs and like to push the boundaries as far as fitness and doing extreme features is concerned. The emtb community is varied however. With age and/or physical injuries those goals can be very different.Well...
With Orbea Wild release, and RS tune (or should I say DETUNED!
750W = no need for more
Detuned motor, and more engaged with the rider
Meaning, standard motor wasn't/isn't that refined!
And if we fetch memories from recent past, we'll check, that Orbea never did a RS (de)tune on Bosch CX4 nor CX5 motors.
You know... just saying!
But, please, let's see your position!
PS: the beauty, is that most will want RS (de)tune on their AVINOX!!!! ahahahahaha
I am 75 thankfully with no physical issuss others than those linked to age. My primary goal is fun and just being out in the woods or countryside. I am not looking to exhaust my energy reserves or get injured.....recovery takes too long. I know the maximum heart rate for my age.....and I dont need a monitor to stay within it. I still do jumps and drops and ride fast downhill just using gravity. I changed from mtb to emtb at 69 because rides were fast becoming 10% fun (downhill) and 90% a PITA! Up to 72 years my primary sport was windsurfing with mtb just a no wind alternative. I sailed summer and winter in all winds and conditions. At 72 I decided I no longer had the reserves of strength or energy to deal with an emergencg like kit failure 2 miles offshore, so I retired....and emtb took over. I want to be able to keep riding as long as I draw breath. If more powerful motors enable that then bring it on.
