Plenty of Ebike trails, none are not Ebike. None anti Ebike. I lived at the top of stagecoach and rode confluence, connector, and FHDL everyday which is a 30 mile run, climbing 4000 feet a day. Then moved to Pilot hill, so now i ride Cronan, Salmon Falls, Disney trails, El Dorado Hills. Plus Hidden Falls, and Nevada city. Already hit over 2500 miles for the year, and climbed way over 300,000' feet in elevation. Today I rode 52 miles climbed over 7000" and one strava trophy. Connector/FHDL/Cronan/Salmon Falls/Acorn hollow
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Levo Gen 4 both class 1 and 3?
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Power1tobe
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Ya completely different riding here on the East coast, lived in San Diego for 10 yrs so I remember those types of trails. Not sure I am aware of any mainstream bike that surpasses 28mph unless you are using 3rd party SW to derestrict.
Please share your Strava 52 mile ride and battery %....
Most people here are 3rd party types, but the Amflow set to NZ would be the choice over gen 4 Sworks if that was priority.
But the point went over your head, unrestricted makes you a faster and better rider. Just going to 28 made me faster.
21 miles in Auburn in morning 20% left
31 miles Salmon falls in evening after charge, battery drained
7273' climbed
Thats terrible. Rode here from my house. Trails on the shoreline on both sides and covering most of the hills.
Endurance capitol of the world. Super technical to fast n flowy. This is the top of a track that goes down to water level.
Power1tobe
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I have ridden extensively across the US, the east coast terrain were I ride has a lot a shorter steep ups / downs with narrow trails and lots O trees. So carrying 28mph is possible on some trail sections but not the norm. Like you I can ride right from my house to the trails. If I want to climb 5000+ feet then I need to drive about 3hrs out to the bigger mtns.
I have ridden rode and MTBs all my life, only recently adding a eMTB to the collection. So I wouldn't say your "point" went over my head, I just view it differently. The 20mph cutoff is dangerous on some terrain, especially on jump lines. So having the option to to extend that cutoff to 28mphs is vey nice for shuttling, accelerating into DHs and jump lines, and sustained straightaways. Maybe I am old school, but I remember being young and struggling on steep technical climbs always wishing I had more power. I never got to the top and started the DHs thinking I wish I was stronger or had more power to go faster down... I had already developed that strength to go fast by climbing hard and now I was focused on increasing my skills of cornering and descending. Regardless, ppl should ride for what makes them happy. I just don't believe that eMTBs need more than 28mphs of assistance...
Well im lucky enough to have flowy trails where 30+ is done every day on single track safely. I often see no one on a 30 mile ride. I have the double diamond steep technical mountain with 20 trails as well, but riding alone I stay off those. Most of the trails are typical 20 mph rocky chunky steep stuff, but fire roads in between make unlimited here the ticket. And most run safely 3rd party unlimited. Makes it hard to compete when your restricted and they are not.
Just think about this, going from manual to class 1 Ebike increased my skill set, day and night because I ride double the distance at double the speed everywhere.
A class 3 speed limit made me even faster when I increased my speed by 9 miles an hour on just a few sections
I promise my skill will also increase with unlimited, where most of my competition already is.
You will find people adapt to change quite well, and unrestricted is nothing new here. Just new to you
Power1tobe
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That maybe be the case, but I have been riding for very long time averaging over 5k a year with may years over 10k. As I said before everyone should ride the way that makes them happy, as long as its not interfering with others happiness. For me sitting back in the saddle and climbing 30-60mins is where I find my happy place... hopping rocks/logs/roots as I climb over terrain that makes most people hop off there bike and walk.
Right! Probably not as skillful as you on that but I do like to fly and love the technical stuff.
Went around a steep downhill with a blind corner and two 80 years olds hiking on skinny single track. Had to cross it up and lay it down just to avoid the old folks. Still stopped 5' shy them while trying to kom the trail.
Damned animal! Im close at 8000km for the last year
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Only thing that really sucked today was riding with two buddies with stronger bikes then I have. They were both faster down the hills too. But wore me out. Hate holding them up on climbs.
Reading this thread and thinking about all the comments, positive and negative, about the allowed limits on power and speed mandated by obsolete and/or un-applicable laws , I wonder why the bike manufacturers still continue to spend countless time and effort to customize bikes to match the different laws in every country. This makes no sense at all!
Each bike owner uses his bike differently from others. Each has different needs and different tolerance to local laws.
Wouldn't it be much simpler to make the bikes all with the same adjustable software that will be configured either; by the bike retail shop to conform to local laws, or, by the owner himself if he needs a different setup/limits. Each owner, being a responsible adult, would take the responsibility of his own decisions, and nobody else than himself would have to answer to complications resulting from his actions.
Why do we need some hidden superior organization that decides what WE are going to do with our lives? Why do we acquiesce to their mandates? Why can't we take our own lives into our own hands? Why couldn't we govern ourselves?
Note that I am not advocating for irresponsible behavior, nor for inflicting damage to fragile trails, etc... Of course not.
We've got to start thinking differently, because the way the world is going now, it won't be to our benefit, I can assure you.
If the MTB community can agree to becoming sovereign instead of complying to some external self-nominated entity, I am sure that the manufacturers will gladly follow suit.
And on the street, I would follow the speed limits placarded everywhere, like every single other vehicle type using the streets, without bothering about a "power limit" that all the other vehicles aren't subjected to.
Each bike owner uses his bike differently from others. Each has different needs and different tolerance to local laws.
Wouldn't it be much simpler to make the bikes all with the same adjustable software that will be configured either; by the bike retail shop to conform to local laws, or, by the owner himself if he needs a different setup/limits. Each owner, being a responsible adult, would take the responsibility of his own decisions, and nobody else than himself would have to answer to complications resulting from his actions.
Why do we need some hidden superior organization that decides what WE are going to do with our lives? Why do we acquiesce to their mandates? Why can't we take our own lives into our own hands? Why couldn't we govern ourselves?
Note that I am not advocating for irresponsible behavior, nor for inflicting damage to fragile trails, etc... Of course not.
We've got to start thinking differently, because the way the world is going now, it won't be to our benefit, I can assure you.
If the MTB community can agree to becoming sovereign instead of complying to some external self-nominated entity, I am sure that the manufacturers will gladly follow suit.
And on the street, I would follow the speed limits placarded everywhere, like every single other vehicle type using the streets, without bothering about a "power limit" that all the other vehicles aren't subjected to.
This is the thing that doesn't make too much sense. A regular bike can easily break the silly low UK limit and more than double it on a straight or downhill. It's more about control, regulation and buerocrascy than safety. Anyone can jump on a bike and go the wrong way up the road or break the law in any manner of ways. Giving owners the responsibility to unlock restrictions is sensible and it's then on them if they break any local laws. But for now those restriction laws will get broke regardless by modifications.
Power1tobe
Active member
Your looking at it logically. Its a simple as there is a Law and that all that matters until the law is changed.
Don't wait, nor expect that someone else will change the law for you. WE, the MTB riders have to team up and organize to make them change their laws that nobody want. That is the only way we can get out of this mess.
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