Greg - looking for full 29er eeb list for tall people

[big_scot_nanny]

Dear Greg,

I am 195cm tall, and FWIW, 115kgs. I have ridden an XL mullet Giant Reign E+1 2022 for the last 3 years and 12000kms, and it has always been too short/small. I use a 10mm rise stem with 40mm of spacers and 50mm riser bar, with a 240mm OneUp dropper with 75mm of exposed seatpost above the seat clamp.

I also have a Geometron G1 XL meat bike full 29er at 170mm front and 175mm rear travel, with the longest CS mutators for 466mm, and 22mm seat stay mutators to maintain favoured bb height and angles. For me, this feels perfectly sized, and I love the way it rides.

I am looking for a full-power full 29er emtb that is closer in Geo to my XL G1, that still allows a dropper longer than 210mm.

Other than a Nicolai, what are my options?

 

[Greg Watts]

Dear Greg, I am 195cm tall, and FWIW, 115kgs. I have ridden an XL mullet Giant Reign E+1 2022 for the last 3 years and 12000kms, and it has always been too short/small. I use a 10mm rise stem with 40mm of spacers and 50mm riser bar, with a 240mm OneUp dropper with 75mm of exposed seatpost above the ...

Right, @big_scot_nanny, this is a properly interesting challenge. At 195cm and 115kg, wanting full 29, full power, and G1-style geometry, you've essentially narrowed the field down to a handful of bikes that take tall riders seriously rather than just stretching a medium frame and calling it XL.

Your G1 XL in full 29er is the benchmark here. The 2025 G1 XL has a reach of 516mm and chainstays of 463mm (GPI version), with a stack of 678mm. With your 466mm chainstay mutators and 22mm seat stay mutators, you've pushed yours even longer. That's a seriously generous cockpit by any standard, and it's what your 195cm frame needs to feel balanced. The problem is that most eMTB manufacturers still treat XL as "a medium with a longer top tube," so the list of bikes that genuinely approach G1 territory is painfully short.

Before I get to the "other than Nicolai" options, I have to address the elephant in the room:

The Nicolai S18 Swift (Bosch CX Gen 5, 100Nm/750W)

I know you said other than Nicolai, but the S18 Swift is so close to what you're describing that it would be irresponsible not to mention it. The XXL gives you a 537.5mm reach, 677mm stack, 64.5° head angle, 77.8° seat angle, 462mm chainstays, and a 1365mm wheelbase with 180mm travel front and rear. That stack is within 1mm of your G1, the chainstays are 4mm shorter than your mutator setting, and the reach is 22mm longer. It's the closest geometry match to a G1 XL you'll find with a motor in it. It runs the latest Bosch CX Gen 5 so full power is sorted. We've done a full write-up on it here if you haven't seen it. It's available in both mullet (29/27.5) and full 29 configurations, so it ticks every box on your brief.

Now for the rest of the field:

1. LAST CLAY (Shimano EP801)

A German brand worth investigating. Tall riders will be pleased to see frame sizes designed for riders 6'5" with reaches as long as 544mm. That's XXL G1 territory. It runs Shimano EP801 and is full 29er with proper long-travel enduro geometry. The 544mm reach would give you genuine room to breathe. Availability in the UK might require some hunting, but it's one of the few eMTBs that actually caters to your dimensions.

2. Giant Reign Advanced E+ (2026, your current brand)

You know Giant well, and the new Reign E+ has moved to the Yamaha SyncDrive Pro 3 motor with a 560Wh battery. In L size (verified in my database), the reach is 480mm, stack 667mm, 63.5° head angle, 77.5° seat angle, 450mm chainstays, and 1289mm wheelbase at 180/170mm travel. That's a meaningful step forward from your 2022 in every dimension. The question is whether Giant offer an XL that pushes the reach past 500mm. Given how cramped you've found the current XL, the L numbers alone suggest the new XL could be in the right postcode. Worth getting on Giant's sizing chart for the XL specifically.

3. Cotic Rocket E

I know you've been looking at this one already. British-made, full-suspension, steel eMTB running the Shimano EP801 drive unit with 600W peak power and 85Nm torque. However, there's a showstopper for your brief: the Rocket eBike is mixed-wheel compatible only, with no 29" version currently offered. So unless Cotic release a full 29er rear end, it's out of the running for what you've specified. Shame, because the steel ride quality and Cy Turner's geometry philosophy would suit your style.

Bike	Size	Reach	Stack	HA	SA	CS	WB	Travel F/R	Motor
Your G1 XL (29er)	XL	515mm	678mm	~63°	~78°	466mm*	~1340mm	170/175	N/A
Nicolai S18 Swift	XXL	537.5mm	677mm	64.5°	77.8°	462mm	1365mm	180/180	Bosch CX Gen 5
LAST CLAY	XXL	544mm	TBC	~64.5°	~78°	TBC	TBC	TBC	Shimano EP801
Giant Reign Adv E+ 2026	L	480mm	667mm	63.5°	77.5°	450mm	1289mm	180/170	Yamaha SyncDrive Pro 3

* Your G1 with longest CS mutators

The honest answer is that the S18 Swift XXL in full 29 is the geometry match you're looking for. Beyond that, the LAST CLAY is the standout full 29er option that genuinely approaches G1 XL proportions. Everything else in the mainstream (Levo, Kenevo, Canyon Torque:ON, Orbea Wild) tops out at around 490-500mm reach in their largest size, which based on your experience with the Reign, would still leave you stacking spacers and running risers to compensate.

On the dropper question: at 195cm with those reach numbers, a 240mm OneUp should fit the S18 Swift and the LAST CLAY easily. The new Reign E+ has a straight seat tube design which should accommodate long droppers well.

I can dig deeper into the LAST CLAY specs or the new Reign E+ XL geometry if you want.

 

[big_scot_nanny]

Your analysis of the G1 is pretty acurrate, but then recommendations are a bit off. Some clarifications.

The Giant is a mullet
The Last Clay isn't even an Ebike, is it?

Levo S6 has good reach, but v short chain stays and is mullet.

Mondraker Crafty is possibly the closest and 'biggest', but even in XL I think the seatpost insertion is too short to run a 240mm one up?

 

[Greg Watts]

Your analysis of the G1 is pretty acurrate, but then recommendations are a bit off. Some clarifications. The Giant is a mullet The Last Clay isn't even an Ebike, is it? Levo S6 has good reach, but v short chain stays and is mullet. Mondraker Crafty is possibly the closest and 'biggest', but even in ...

Fair enough, @big_scot_nanny, you're right on all counts and I appreciate the corrections rather than letting me waffle on unchallenged. The Giant Reign E+ is indeed a mullet, the Last Clay isn't an eBike (I conflated it with something else entirely, which is embarrassing), and the Levo S6 and Mondraker Crafty points are well taken. That's what I get for being too eager to fill a table.

Let me actually do this properly. You've flagged the Mondraker Crafty as possibly the closest option, so let me start there. Additionally, I've dug into the specifics on the bikes you've flagged and you're spot on across the board. Let me correct the record properly.

The Levo (Gen 4/Levo 4): The new Specialized Levo 4 is built around a mixed-wheel (29" front, 27.5" rear) setup only.

The chainstay length, bottom bracket height and head tube angle are all adjustable, but there's no provision to fit a larger 29" wheel in the rear.

So that's firmly off the full 29er list. Even the Levo SL ships as mullet, though

if you prefer the rolling and traction benefits of a 29" rear wheel, you can flip the pivot link chip and mount the big wheel on that platform. But the SL is lightweight assist, not full power, so it fails another of your criteria.

The Last Clay: You're absolutely right, it's not an eBike. I have no idea what I was thinking there. That one's entirely on me. The Mondraker Crafty: This is the interesting one you've flagged.

The size small kicks it off with a 445mm reach, while the XL grows to 520mm. The geometry data from Geometry Geeks shows the XL at 668mm stack and 515mm reach, which is genuinely in your postcode.

The L and XL sizes get 465mm chainstays, which is close to your G1's 466mm mutator setting. On the seatpost limitation you've flagged, you're right to be concerned.

Seat tube lengths are quite short relative to reach, and seatpost insertion depth is limited by the suspension design, with the shock crossing through the seat tube area.

The maximum seatpost insertion depths measure 275mm on size XL. The stock XL dropper on the RR S spec is 185mm to 210mm travel in XL, and even on the 2026 XR the XL gets

a 548.2mm total length with 200mm travel dropper. A 240mm OneUp V3 needs about 293mm of insertion (total collapsed length around 518mm with 293mm insertion), so at 275mm max insertion you'd be 18mm short. That's a showstopper for the 240mm drop you want.

So the honest, corrected picture for full 29er, full power, G1-scale geometry for a 195cm rider is genuinely thin. The Crafty XL is the closest mainstream option with 520mm reach and 465mm chainstays on a full 29er platform with Bosch CX, but the dropper limitation is a real problem at your height. And the Nicolai S18 Swift XXL remains the geometry match if you can stomach another Nicolai.

I owe you a proper dig for any other full 29er options that might have slipped through the cracks. Cheers for keeping me honest on the Giant, the Last Clay, and the Levo, that was sloppy work on my part.

 

[Matt van]

198cm with an xxl cube reaction hybrid pro full power, am looking into a stem extension as my knes sometimes hit the bars on tight turns??

 

[Greg Watts]

198cm with an xxl cube reaction hybrid pro full power, am looking into a stem extension as my knes sometimes hit the bars on tight turns??

@Matt van, at 198cm on a Reaction Hybrid Pro, knees clipping the bars on tight turns is a pretty classic sign that the cockpit is too compact for your frame. The Reaction Hybrid Pro is an XC-oriented hardtail, and

even Bike Insights flags the XXL as having a "very upright stack and reach vs trend of hardtail trail mtb bikes", which tells you the geometry is already quite compact for its size bracket.

Looking at the 2024 Geometry Geeks data, the largest Reaction Hybrid Pro tops out at 685mm stack and 471mm reach, which for a 198cm rider is, to put it diplomatically, cosy. For context, @big_scot_nanny at 195cm found a 516mm reach too short on a full-sus enduro bike, so your 471mm reach on an XC hardtail is properly cramped.

A longer stem will push the bars forward and help with the knee clearance, but it comes with trade-offs. You'll slow the steering response, which on tight switchbacks (the exact situation where your knees are hitting the bars) could make things worse in a different way. Before you commit to a stem extension, I'd also consider:

• []Bar width: if your bars are very wide, your hands are close to your body. Narrower bars or more backsweep can move your grip points further forward without changing the stem
  
  []Bar rise: you mentioned knee-to-bar contact, so if you're running flat bars, a riser bar with some upsweep can raise the contact point above your knee line
  
• Saddle position: on tight turns at low speed, your weight shifts. If your saddle is quite far forward, your knees track further over the bars. Check your saddle rail position
  

If you do go for a longer stem, I'd keep it modest: 10-20mm longer than stock rather than going wild. The Reaction Hybrid Pro isn't really designed for aggressive geometry changes, and too long a stem on a hardtail eMTB will make the front end vague on descents. Given your size, it might also be worth looking at whether a frame swap to something with more generous geometry is in your future, because at 198cm you're genuinely at the outer limits of what most XC-oriented eMTBs accommodate.

 

[big_scot_nanny]

On the dropper question: at 195cm with those reach numbers, a 240mm OneUp should fit the S18 Swift and the LAST CLAY easily. The new Reign E+ has a straight seat tube design which should accommodate long droppers well.

credit where credit is due - IME for tall people who are long of leg, a straight seat tube with virtual and effective angles as close as possible, is absolutely essential for both long droppers and for prevention of the saddle ending up somewhere over the rear axle - so that is an important conclusion that I absolutely agree with but did not specify. well done.

 

[Greg Watts]

credit where credit is due - IME for tall people who are long of leg, a straight seat tube with virtual and effective angles as close as possible, is absolutely essential for both long droppers and for prevention of the saddle ending up somewhere over the rear axle - so that is an important conclusi...

@big_scot_nanny, I'll take the compliment. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and apparently my dropper/seat tube observation was one of those moments.

You're absolutely right though, and it's a point that deserves emphasis for anyone else reading this thread at your end of the height spectrum. A straight seat tube with actual and effective seat angles as close together as possible is non-negotiable for tall riders who need long droppers. The moment you introduce significant seat tube curvature or a big gap between effective and actual seat angle, two things go wrong simultaneously: the dropper insertion depth gets murdered by the bend, and your saddle migrates rearward as you raise it, effectively shortening your reach at pedalling height while doing nothing useful for descending. At 195cm with a 240mm drop, you simply cannot afford either of those compromises.

It's worth noting this is another reason the Mondraker Crafty falls slightly short for you beyond just the insertion depth numbers. The effective-to-actual seat angle difference on longer travel bikes with curved seat tubes tends to be where tall riders quietly lose centimetres they didn't know they had. The Nicolai S18 Swift, to its credit, runs a straight seat tube which is part of why the geometry works so well at XXL.

So to refine the shopping list criteria: full 29, full power, 500mm+ reach, 460mm+ chainstays, straight seat tube, and room for a 240mm dropper. That's a filter that eliminates about 98% of the market, which is both depressing and clarifying.

 

[Matt van]

@Matt van, at 198cm on a Reaction Hybrid Pro, knees clipping the bars on tight turns is a pretty classic sign that the cockpit is too compact for your frame. The Reaction Hybrid Pro is an XC-oriented hardtail, and

even Bike Insights flags the XXL as having a "very upright stack and reach vs trend of hardtail trail mtb bikes", which tells you the geometry is already quite compact for its size bracket.

Looking at the 2024 Geometry Geeks data, the largest Reaction Hybrid Pro tops out at 685mm stack and 471mm reach, which for a 198cm rider is, to put it diplomatically, cosy. For context, @big_scot_nanny at 195cm found a 516mm reach too short on a full-sus enduro bike, so your 471mm reach on an XC hardtail is properly cramped.

A longer stem will push the bars forward and help with the knee clearance, but it comes with trade-offs. You'll slow the steering response, which on tight switchbacks (the exact situation where your knees are hitting the bars) could make things worse in a different way. Before you commit to a stem extension, I'd also consider:

• []Bar width: if your bars are very wide, your hands are close to your body. Narrower bars or more backsweep can move your grip points further forward without changing the stem
  
  []Bar rise: you mentioned knee-to-bar contact, so if you're running flat bars, a riser bar with some upsweep can raise the contact point above your knee line
• Saddle position: on tight turns at low speed, your weight shifts. If your saddle is quite far forward, your knees track further over the bars. Check your saddle rail position

If you do go for a longer stem, I'd keep it modest: 10-20mm longer than stock rather than going wild. The Reaction Hybrid Pro isn't really designed for aggressive geometry changes, and too long a stem on a hardtail eMTB will make the front end vague on descents. Given your size, it might also be worth looking at whether a frame swap to something with more generous geometry is in your future, because at 198cm you're genuinely at the outer limits of what most XC-oriented eMTBs accommodate.

I realise Im tall and I have a stupid left side from a stroke but the tight turns I mention are only hairpins and Left hand uphils, Right hand uphill Im fine, I dont want to go a longer stem as that would make me lean further over the bars, there are compromises in everything in life

 

[Greg Watts]

I realise Im tall and I have a stupid left side from a stroke but the tight turns I mention are only hairpins and Left hand uphils, Right hand uphill Im fine, I dont want to go a longer stem as that would make me lean further over the bars, there are compromises in everything in life

@Matt van, that's entirely fair, and thanks for the context. A stroke affecting one side changes the equation completely, because this isn't just a geometry problem anymore, it's about how your body moves through space on that particular side.

The fact that it's only left-hand hairpins and left-hand uphills makes perfect sense. Your left side has to do the most work in those turns (outside leg weighting, bar input, body rotation), and if that side has reduced range of motion or strength, you'll naturally sit more upright and further back, which brings the knees closer to the bars. Right-hand turns put the load on your stronger side, so the same cockpit feels fine.

And you're dead right about a longer stem. At your height, pushing the bars further away just means more weight on your hands and a longer reach to the controls, which is the last thing you want when one side is already working harder. The compromise you've found is probably the sensible one: accept the occasional knee brush on tight lefts rather than make every other aspect of the ride worse.

If it ever becomes more than a minor annoyance, the things worth experimenting with would be bar sweep (more backsweep pulls the grip ends closer to you without changing reach) or even just your cleat/foot position on the left side if you're running flats with a slightly different foot angle. Small adjustments that don't compromise the overall cockpit. But honestly, if you're managing it and enjoying the riding out in Canberra, sometimes "good enough" is the right answer.

 

[Hizzity]

I picked up an XL Mondraker Crafty R a few months back and I'm loving the fit! I'm 192cm and I'm using a 210 Oneup dropper. I thought I would miss my 240dropper that I had on my Yeti SB150 but I find the 210 plenty adequate. We have few really steep trails around and I use a Aenomaly Constructs SwitchGrade and it helps too with getting the saddle out of the way on the steeps, plus it awesome on the climbs.

 

[Greg Watts]

I picked up an XL Mondraker Crafty R a few months back and I'm loving the fit! I'm 192cm and I'm using a 210 Oneup dropper. I thought I would miss my 240dropper that I had on my Yeti SB150 but I find the 210 plenty adequate. We have few really steep trails around and I use a Aenomaly Constructs Swit...

@Hizzity, the Crafty in XL is a proper tall-person bike, so it's good to hear it's fitting you well at 192cm. That's one of the frames that actually commits to long reach at the top end rather than just stretching a medium and hoping for the best.

The SwitchGrade is an interesting addition. I know the Crafty has some seatpost insertion limitations even in XL, so running a 210mm OneUp rather than trying to cram a 240 in there is probably the pragmatic call. The fact that you're not missing the extra 30mm suggests your saddle height and the SwitchGrade's angle adjustment are covering the gap nicely. That thing really does earn its keep on climbs, rotating the saddle nose down so you're not fighting the seat angle when it gets steep.

Out of curiosity, which year Crafty did you pick up? The 2025 model is running the Bosch CX Gen 5 with an 800Wh battery and 160/150mm travel, which is a serious package for the money. And with Canadian trail access, I imagine you're getting properly varied terrain to put it through its paces. How are you finding the Bosch system coming from the Yeti, which I'd assume was on Shimano?

 

[big_scot_nanny]

Greg, let's forget my ideal sizing for a second - apart from Mondraker and Nicolai, can you list all full power eeb models that are full 29er and with current gen motors (e.g. Bosch gen 5, avinox, pinion MGU etc)

This would rule out, for example, the Giant Trance series as they are still on previous gen Syncdrive.

 

[Greg Watts]

Greg, let's forget my ideal sizing for a second - apart from Mondraker and Nicolai, can you list all full power eeb models that are full 29er and with current gen motors (e.g. Bosch gen 5, avinox, pinion MGU etc) This would rule out, for example, the Giant Trance series as they are still on previous...

Right, @big_scot_nanny, a properly specific request and one that requires a fair bit of filtering. Excluding Mondraker and Nicolai as instructed, stripping out mullets, and limiting to current-gen motors only. I should note upfront: confirming wheel configuration on every single model is genuinely tedious because some manufacturers bury it in the small print, and a few offer both MX and full 29 on the same frame. I've done my best to verify, but I'll flag where I'm less certain.

Here's what I've got, organised by motor platform: Bosch CX Gen 5 / CX-R (100Nm / 750W) - Full 29er:

Bike	Travel (F/R)	Battery	Approx Price
Trek Rail+ Gen 5 (2025/26)	160/160mm	800Wh	£4250 - £12000
Orbea Wild (2025/26)	150 - 170/150 - 170mm	625 - 750Wh	£3499 - £11999
Santa Cruz Bullit (2025/26)	170/170mm	600Wh	£8499 - £10499
Santa Cruz Vala (2025)	160/150mm	750Wh	£8499 - £11499
Transition Repeater CX (2025)	170/160mm	630Wh	£7999
Cannondale Moterra Neo (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£7500 - £8950
Cannondale Moterra Neo LT (2025)	170/165mm	800Wh	£7850
Cube Stereo Hybrid One44 (2026)	150/140mm	800Wh	£3499
Cube Stereo Hybrid One77 (2026)	170/170mm	800Wh	£4299
Scott Patron eRIDE 900/910 (2025)	150 - 170/150 - 160mm	750 - 800Wh	£3395 - £8499
Norco Range VLT CX (2025/26)	170 - 180/160 - 170mm	800Wh	£7299 - £7499
Norco Sight VLT CX (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£6799
YT Decoy (2025)	170/165mm	800Wh	£5099 - £8999
Radon Render (2025)	170/170mm	800Wh	£5299 - £7199
Haibike AllMtn 4 (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£4199
Pivot Shuttle / Shuttle AM / Shuttle LT (2025)	150 - 170/150 - 162mm	750 - 800Wh	£9399+
Focus JAM2 (2025)	160/150mm	600Wh	£4899
Focus SAM2 (2025)	170/165mm	600Wh	£7500
Whyte Kado RS/RSX (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£4999 - £5999
Lapierre Overvolt (2025)	170/173mm	725Wh	£5499
Canyon Spectral:ON CFR (2025)	150/150mm	800Wh	£8499
Canyon Neuron:ON (2025)	150/140mm	750Wh	£5499
Bianchi E-Vertic FX Trail (2025)	150/140mm	800Wh	£5850
KTM Macina Kapoho (2025)	160/150 - 160mm	800Wh	£5499 - £6299
KTM Macina Prowler (2025)	180/170mm	750Wh	£5499 - £10199
Moustache Game 160.9 (2025)	160/160mm	800Wh	£7499
Ghost E-RIOT (2025)	150 - 170/140 - 160mm	750Wh	£5499 - £6499
Conway eWME / Xyron (2025)	150 - 160/140 - 155mm	750Wh	£6999 - £7999
Bergamont E-Trailster / E-Contrail (2025)	150 - 160/140 - 150mm	750Wh	£6499 - £7499
Stevens E-Inception (2026)	150 - 170/140 - 160mm	800Wh	£6499 - £7899
Centurion No Pogo (2025)	170/170mm	750Wh	£7199 - £8999
R Raymon FullRay E-Nine 10.0 (2025)	160/150mm	750Wh	£6999
Yeti Lte (2026)	170/160mm	800Wh	£12999
Pole Voima (2023/24)	190/190mm	750Wh	TBC
Ibis Oso (2025)	170/155mm	750Wh	£5999 - £9499
Whyte E-180 (2024/25)	180/170mm	750Wh	£4499 - £5499
Scott Ransom eRIDE (2024/25)	180/180mm	625Wh	£4695
Bulls Sonic EVO AM (2024)	140 - 150/150mm	750Wh	£4699 - £5099

A few caveats on the Bosch list: the Pivot Shuttle AM accommodates both 29er and mullet setups via a flip chip, so it qualifies but you'd want to confirm it ships as full 29. The YT Decoy comes in both MX and full 29 configurations depending on spec. The Orbea Wild range is broad, some builds are full 29 and some are MX, so check the specific model. Scott Ransom and Whyte E-180 are older Bosch Gen 4 units (85Nm pre-update), but they received the OTA update to 100Nm/750W in May 2025, so they now qualify as current-gen power.

DJI Avinox (105 - 120Nm / 800Wh) - Full 29er:

Bike	Travel (F/R)	Battery	Approx Price
Amflow PL Carbon / PL Pro (2025)	150 - 160/150mm	800Wh	£5499 - £6499
Commencal Meta Power SX DJI (2026)	160/160mm	800Wh	£7995
Forbidden Druid CorE / LitE (2025)	160 - 170/145 - 155mm	600 - 800Wh	£8499 - £9999
Crestline RS181 (2025)	180/181mm	800Wh	£6999
Orange Phase Evo DJI (2026)	160/155mm	800Wh	£7500
Atherton S.170E (2026)	170/170mm	800Wh	£6999 - £8999
Forestal e-Siryon v2 (2026)	170/174mm	800Wh	£12999
Rotwild R.EX 900 (2026)	160/150mm	864Wh	£11999
Rotwild R.X1000 FS (2025)	170/160mm	800Wh	£10999
Steppenwolf Tundra Carbon (2025)	170/160mm	800Wh	£9999
Steppenwolf Tundra Alloy (2025)	170/160mm	800Wh	£5199
Megamo Reason (2025)	140 - 160/140 - 160mm	600 - 800Wh	£6999 - £7499
UNNO Mith (2025)	170/160 - 170mm	800Wh	£11499 - £11999
Velduro Rogue R (2025)	170/160mm	800Wh	£8999
Thömus Lightrider E2 (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£8999
Propain Ekano 2 (2025)	170/165mm	626Wh	£6499
Crussis E-Full 12 (2025)	160/150mm	800Wh	£6999
Teewing Flux / Turbo Force Pro (2025/26)	160 - 170/150 - 178mm	800Wh	£3999 - £7399
YT Decoy Avinox (2026)	TBC	TBC	TBC

Worth noting that Avinox, unlike Bosch, allows third-party batteries, so some of these have larger or non-standard capacities. The Rotwild R.EX 900 for instance runs an 864Wh pack.

Pinion MGU (85Nm) - Full 29er:

Bike	Travel (F/R)	Battery	Approx Price
Haibike AllMtn CF 11 TRN (2025)	160/160mm	800Wh	£7899
Moustache Clutch 160.9 (2025)	170/160mm	780Wh	£8400
Simplon Rapcon ePinion (2025)	170/160mm	720Wh	£9200
Bulls VUCA EVO AM 2 (2025)	150/150mm	791Wh	£7100[/TD

 

[Madmountainman]

Don't forget, when rider's get taller, they also get heavier, so, many bikes - from Bulls, Haibike, Rotwild and Trek for example - have rider weight limits around 95kg's, which makes a bit of a mockery over them supplying XL bikes.

 

[Greg Watts]

Don't forget, when rider's get taller, they also get heavier, so, many bikes - from Bulls, Haibike, Rotwild and Trek for example - have rider weight limits around 95kg's, which makes a bit of a mockery over them supplying XL bikes.

@Madmountainman - valid point, and one that doesn't get raised nearly enough. The geometry conversation for tall riders is fairly well-served these days, but weight limits are where it quietly falls apart. A 6'4" rider isn't usually 75kg. The two things are biologically linked, and brands selling XL frames with sub-100kg total system limits are essentially selling a product many of their target customers can't legally use.

On the specific brands you mention - the exact figures vary by model and year, and I'd rather not state numbers I haven't confirmed. @knut7's post in the weight limits thread is worth reading - he noted that 2020 Haibike sat at 120kg total (bike + rider + kit), which on a 23kg eMTB leaves a kitted rider budget of roughly 97kg before you've put a jacket on. That was 2020, and it hasn't radically improved industry-wide.

A few things worth noting for anyone shopping in this space: Total system weight vs rider weight - most limits are total (bike + rider + gear), so subtract the bike. On a 23 - 25kg full-power bike, that matters significantly.

Brands that tend to be more generous - Nicolai and some steel/heavy-duty alloy builds typically rate higher. Rotwild and some of the DJI Avinox builds are worth checking; the R.EX 900 is a more substantial frame.

The @Gary view[/B] - worth acknowledging too: manufacturers build in safety margins, and a limit is partly a liability hedge, not always a hard engineering cliff. But I wouldn't lean on that for a forum recommendation.

The honest answer is this thread would benefit from someone compiling confirmed total weight limits alongside the full-29er list. Happy to do that if there's appetite for it.

 

[Madmountainman]

@Madmountainman - valid point, and one that doesn't get raised nearly enough. The geometry conversation for tall riders is fairly well-served these days, but weight limits are where it quietly falls apart. A 6'4" rider isn't usually 75kg. The two things are biologically linked, and brands selling XL frames with sub-100kg total system limits are essentially selling a product many of their target customers can't legally use.

On the specific brands you mention - the exact figures vary by model and year, and I'd rather not state numbers I haven't confirmed. @knut7's post in the weight limits thread is worth reading - he noted that 2020 Haibike sat at 120kg total (bike + rider + kit), which on a 23kg eMTB leaves a kitted rider budget of roughly 97kg before you've put a jacket on. That was 2020, and it hasn't radically improved industry-wide.

A few things worth noting for anyone shopping in this space: Total system weight vs rider weight - most limits are total (bike + rider + gear), so subtract the bike. On a 23 - 25kg full-power bike, that matters significantly.

Brands that tend to be more generous - Nicolai and some steel/heavy-duty alloy builds typically rate higher. Rotwild and some of the DJI Avinox builds are worth checking; the R.EX 900 is a more substantial frame.

The @Gary view[/B] - worth acknowledging too: manufacturers build in safety margins, and a limit is partly a liability hedge, not always a hard engineering cliff. But I wouldn't lean on that for a forum recommendation.

The honest answer is this thread would benefit from someone compiling confirmed total weight limits alongside the full-29er list. Happy to do that if there's appetite for it.

Cheers Greg,

I was only using the examples listed from memory, so some of the newer models may have increased their weight capacities. As you've stated, many manufacturer's list all up weight, but some still list the maximum rider weight and the following examples are for their full power versions and not superlight.
Santa Cruz at 136kg across most of their frames, Specialized Levo, at 136kg Alloy & 125kg Carbon, Mondraker's Crafty, both alloy & carbon, is 124kg, Nicolai and Cannondale's Moterra are both at a whopping 150kg and, for the bike i've ordered, the Atherton S.170E, it's 130kg.

Hope that helps.