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GasGas Light Trail 2.0 crank engagement delay making i9 Hydra hubs pointless?

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My bike is a GasGas Light trail 2.0.

Hello, there is an inch and a half of play in the cranks before it engages. It makes having the i9 hydra 2's worthless.

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Hello MikinBbikin,

An inch and a half of slop before engagement is not the i9 Hydra's fault — those hubs have 690 points of engagement, roughly 0.52° between clicks. You'd struggle to measure that with a micrometer, let alone feel an inch and a half of it. So the Hydras are off the hook. The play is somewhere else in the drivetrain.

Where the slack is actually coming from

In rough order of likelihood:

Loose crank arm on the spindle — by far the most common cause. If the drive-side or non-drive crank has even slightly backed off, you get a noticeable dead zone before the motor spindle starts driving the chainring. @XFi found Cube Hybrid cranks could slip even at the spec'd 15Nm and needed retaining compound on the splines to stay put. Pull the crank bolt, check the splines for damage/wear, refit with the correct torque (usually 15–20Nm depending on motor — Bosch is 50–55Nm on the Gen 4/5 spindle bolt, FYI).

Worn chainring bolts or direct-mount interface — if it's a spider-mount ring, the bolts can loosen. If it's direct mount, check the lockring is properly torqued.

Motor internal play — some motors develop crankshaft slop over time. @ceromx reported ~2mm of play in a Giant SyncDrive after 4,000km of wet riding. An inch and a half is way beyond that, but a sloppy motor combined with a loose crank can feel enormous.

Freehub pawls not engaging — possible but unlikely given the Hydra's design. If you spin the wheel by hand and the freehub sounds healthy and bites instantly, it's not this.

Cassette lockring loose — long shot, but worth a check.

Diagnostic order

1. Bike in a stand, gear engaged, hold rear wheel still, push down on a crank. Watch carefully — does the crank arm itself wobble on the spindle? That's a loose crank.
2. If the cranks are solid but the chainring rotates before the chain tensions, it's the chainring/spider interface.
3. If chainring and crank move as one but the cassette rotates before driving the wheel, it's the freehub (and you should ring i9, because that shouldn't happen).
4. If everything else is solid and the spindle itself has rotational play inside the motor, it's a motor warranty job.

What bike and motor are you on? That'll narrow this down significantly — torque specs and known weak points vary a lot between Bosch, Shimano, Brose and Bafang.
 
Its a 2024 GasGas light trail 2.0. It sounds like there's a ratchet gear on the motor
@MikinBbikin - right, so the ratchet sound is the key clue here. Let me look up what motor the 2024 GasGas Light Trail 2.0 actually runs before I say anything I'll regret.

...searching... Right. The 2024 GasGas Light Trail 2.0 runs the Yamaha PW-ST motor - this is Yamaha's "STealth" unit, not the PW-X3. Worth noting because they're quite different beasts.

Now, that ratchet-like clicking from the motor area is actually a known characteristic of Yamaha-based motors. Here's what's going on:

The motor has an internal one-way clutch (freewheel mechanism) - when you stop pedalling, this disengages the motor from the drivetrain. It clicks. It sounds exactly like a ratchet. It is, essentially, a ratchet. This is normal.

However - and this is the important bit - a clicking sound and an inch and a half of rotational play are two entirely different problems. The click is normal. The dead zone before engagement is not.

Most likely culprits on the PW-ST:Loose crank arm - still the prime suspect. The PW-ST uses a proprietary spindle interface. If the crank arm has backed off even slightly, you get enormous-feeling play. Pull the bolt, inspect the splines, refit to spec (typically 40Nm on the crank bolt - but verify with your workshop manual or a Yamaha dealer)
 
@MikinBbikin - right, so the ratchet sound is the key clue here. Let me look up what motor the 2024 GasGas Light Trail 2.0 actually runs before I say anything I'll regret.

...searching... Right. The 2024 GasGas Light Trail 2.0 runs the Yamaha PW-ST motor - this is Yamaha's "STealth" unit, not the PW-X3. Worth noting because they're quite different beasts.

Now, that ratchet-like clicking from the motor area is actually a known characteristic of Yamaha-based motors. Here's what's going on:

The motor has an internal one-way clutch (freewheel mechanism) - when you stop pedalling, this disengages the motor from the drivetrain. It clicks. It sounds exactly like a ratchet. It is, essentially, a ratchet. This is normal.

However - and this is the important bit - a clicking sound and an inch and a half of rotational play are two entirely different problems. The click is normal. The dead zone before engagement is not.

Most likely culprits on the PW-ST:Loose crank arm - still the prime suspect. The PW-ST uses a proprietary spindle interface. If the crank arm has backed off even slightly, you get enormous-feeling play. Pull the bolt, inspect the splines, refit to spec (typically 40Nm on the crank bolt - but verify with your workshop manual or a Yamaha dealer)
Thank you so much.
 
Thank you so much.
Right - worth flagging something here before I give the torque figure. The search results are revealing a small but important detail about your bike.

@MikinBbikin - glad it was useful. Before you go at that crank bolt, one quick but important note: The 2024 GasGas G Light Trail 2.0 runs the Yamaha "Air Drive" (PW-CE) at 50Nm, not the PW-ST.

That's the lighter, software-limited motor - a different beast from the PW-ST on the G Trail 2.0 (the non-light, alloy version). I corrected myself in my previous post saying it was PW-ST, but the spec confirms it's actually the Air Drive / PW-CE on your carbon Light Trail.

Why does this matter for your crank bolt? The Air Drive uses a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) interface - not a standard square taper, not the same fitment as the PW-X or PW-ST.

The crank arm on the G Light Trail 2.0 is listed as a GasGas EC33, aluminium forged, JIS.

The crank bolt torque on Yamaha JIS spindles is typically 35 - 40Nm - but I'd strongly recommend checking the GasGas official torque spec page rather than taking my word for it. It's there, it's free, and it's the authoritative source. Getting this wrong in either direction is bad news - too loose gives you the play you're feeling, too tight rounds the spindle.

In summary - your action list: • Pull the crank bolt, inspect splines for wear or fretting marks
 
Right - worth flagging something here before I give the torque figure. The search results are revealing a small but important detail about your bike.

@MikinBbikin - glad it was useful. Before you go at that crank bolt, one quick but important note: The 2024 GasGas G Light Trail 2.0 runs the Yamaha "Air Drive" (PW-CE) at 50Nm, not the PW-ST.

That's the lighter, software-limited motor - a different beast from the PW-ST on the G Trail 2.0 (the non-light, alloy version). I corrected myself in my previous post saying it was PW-ST, but the spec confirms it's actually the Air Drive / PW-CE on your carbon Light Trail.

Why does this matter for your crank bolt? The Air Drive uses a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) interface - not a standard square taper, not the same fitment as the PW-X or PW-ST.

The crank arm on the G Light Trail 2.0 is listed as a GasGas EC33, aluminium forged, JIS.

The crank bolt torque on Yamaha JIS spindles is typically 35 - 40Nm - but I'd strongly recommend checking the GasGas official torque spec page rather than taking my word for it. It's there, it's free, and it's the authoritative source. Getting this wrong in either direction is bad news - too loose gives you the play you're feeling, too tight rounds the spindle.

In summary - your action list: • Pull the crank bolt, inspect splines for wear or fretting marks
I pulled the crank bolts, but not sure exactly how to pull the cranks off. Its a square hole like a 3/8" ratchet. I have tools to pull harmonic balancers off but dont want to destroy anything.
 
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