Pknottemtb
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Hi sorry if this has been answered already but what are the differences between the EP8 and EP801? and has anyone spent enough time of the 01 so we know that it has been improved?
EP801 vs EP8 what's the difference?
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Paulquattro
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Not anything published but an insider buddy told me that a certain big brand is regretting going with shimano motors as they feel it’s hurting their sales. They really can’t swap motors without pissing off shimano though since they’ve been partnered with them for years now. A few other brands have switched from shimano to Bosch and some have went to other brands.Just out of interest, how do you know that? Is there published information somewhere?
It looks like that their next bike ought to be designed with a different motor. That would unsettle Shimano for sure and maybe increase the bargaining power for the bike brand's buyer. If they really are losing sales because of the Shimano motor, then the improved sales of their new bike will demonstrate that.
I don’t think they’ll ditch Shimano unfortunately, shimano is part of their race team. Pivot went with Bosch on their new Shuttle AM, rumour is they’ll be switching the Shuttle LT to Bosch in 2024. Hell, Vitus even ditched Shimano for Bafang
Probably Yeti 
That bike would be the dream with Bosch race motor 
That bike would be the dream with Bosch race motor 
Or it could be Santa Cruz - the issues with the Heckler with first the battery coming loose and now issues with the ep801 codes make me think it makes sense for them to move to BoschProbably Yeti
I was going to ask if you work for shimano but then I realised you don’t know the EP801 is the updated version, not the EP8. I’m guessing your chat bot needs an update.
ChatGPT?
Focus forayed into Shimano powered bikes with the 2022 Jam but they've switched back to Bosch for 2023.
I prefer our Bosch CX Cube for very steep mountainous terrain but I do like my EP8 powered Rise as a general purpose trail bike (has the 85nm EP8 software).
The EP801 has higher peak power than the EP8 - does that bring it closer to the CX?
I prefer our Bosch CX Cube for very steep mountainous terrain but I do like my EP8 powered Rise as a general purpose trail bike (has the 85nm EP8 software).
The EP801 has higher peak power than the EP8 - does that bring it closer to the CX?
Frankyspec
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A full review of the EP801 would be interesting, maybe Rob will come with his full review of the Orbea Rise 2023, it,s been announced a few months ago
The main difference is Auto shift and Free Shift, I ride the EP8 on my Yeti and have ridden a friends Canyon with the EP801, it's an impressive piece of engineering but the rattle is still there.
I went to a local shop where they have around 20 bikes on display:Just out of interest, how do you know that? Is there published information somewhere?
* 2 of them were Orbea Rise with Shimano EP8
* 15 (Orbea Wild, Scott, Mondraker, Cube...) were Bosch powered
* 3 Turbo Levo with Brose
I also read many posts about Santa Cruz issues with Shimano Motor, new battery for EP801, Anti Tamper Error codes for non tampered bikes and heard that they are swiching to Bosch.
My bike has the Shimano E8000 motor (7500Km), and Shimano says that it is not possible to open it to do periodic maintenance or repair and in case of issue we should replace it at a cost of 1200€ . But when warranty expired I opened the motor and re-greased it and Power usage / autonomy has improved a 28%.
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The battery was not a Shimano it was Darfon so that's on Santa Cruz...
Darfon batteries are approved and serviced by Shimano, so that's on Shimano:
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So are you saying Shimano forced Santa Cruz to use that battery?Darfon batteries are approved and serviced by Shimano, so that's on Shimano:
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Shimano offers a portfolio of batteries to bike manufacturers, all batteries in this portfolio are backed by Shimano and are supposedly tested and approved by Shimano, and if a problem arises, then they are repaired in Shimano Service Centers, the battery owner does not have to chase the battery manufacturer. This Shimano battery portfolio offers:
- Shimano own batteries that have a capacity up to 630Wh
- Batteries from other manufacturers, like Darfon that offer a capacity up to 720Wh
The current ebike market has many ebikes with Bosch, Brose and other motors with batteries up to 750Wh and even 900Wh, so to stay competitive, Santa Cruz has to offer bikes with a large capacity battery and Shimano offering for that is the 720Wh Darfon battery. So the answer to your question is: YES, Shimano forced Santa Cruz to use the Darfon battery.
In Shimano own words:
- Dealers can expect the Shimano normal handling standards and won't have to handle SHIMANO STEPS system and battery claims respectively any more. Rather, dealers can unify their service contact and expect a faster turnaround, erasing handling complexities.
- Bike brands can count on Shimano's world leading service support network in bicycle industry. Shimano service network will be handling the service cases for selected compatible batteries based on our structured and well-established practices, following all our rigorous policies, practices and standards, reducing the burden for the bike brands.
- Compatible batteries will feature a special ‘SHIMANO STEPS SERVICE' sticker and dealers will also be able to see the battery model number in Shimano's E-TUBE PROJECT to check it can be supported.
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Vitus have only used Bafang for the cheaper E- Mythique model to hit a price point with cheaper components too, probably to apeal to those on a tighter budget and wanting to dip their toe into the ebike world, still using Shimano for the E-Sommet and the new E- Escarpe.I don’t think they’ll ditch Shimano unfortunately, shimano is part of their race team. Pivot went with Bosch on their new Shuttle AM, rumour is they’ll be switching the Shuttle LT to Bosch in 2024. Hell, Vitus even ditched Shimano for Bafang
lamerecycles
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So the EP801 is the latest greatest Shimano motor that has lot of small improvements and such over the EP800 but the big thing is the EP801 has a speed option so for Shimano OEMs and builders like us here at LaMere Cycles we can build our bikes with the EP801 motor and set the speed limit all the way up to 28mph.
Phantomx0_1
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I have a trek rail with a bosch motor, it rattles like a kettle full of ball bearings not sure the EP8 can be any worse that the CX... I've had issues with the CX.
It's a bit like anything really some have issues some don't luck of the draw!!.
It's a bit like anything really some have issues some don't luck of the draw!!.
Singletrackmind
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