EP8 from Aliexpress??

[Turtlehead]

Anyone bought an EP8 from there?
$657 new....
I'm assuming no one is knocking off the full motor, but I might be a sucker?

 

[Crcdude]

Did you ever try the Ali x motor ? Any luck ? Problems ?
Im in need of something and this is best price out there.

 

[steve_sordy]

@Turtlehead
I don't know where Citrus Heights is, but guessing USA seeing as you specify a price in $, but Canada and Australia use dollars.
Do they deliver to your country?
Where is the motor coming from?
What about import taxes?

 

[Crcdude]

@Turtlehead
I don't know where Citrus Heights is, but guessing USA seeing as you specify a price in $, but Canada and Australia use dollars.
Do they deliver to your country?
Where is the motor coming from?
What about import taxes?

Yes i think Citrus in in California?
Yes the shipping is 94$ with guaranteed delivery and free returns
From China.. No import taxes here

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805728388511.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.5.77a136a1Xhahi0&algo_pvid=87e5c0dd-03de-4575-a990-9db91b4a0028&algo_exp_id=87e5c0dd-03de-4575-a990-9db91b4a0028-2&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21541.69%21541.69%21%21%213942.40%213942.40%21%402103244b17357941695598742e629d%2112000034826730667%21sea%21US%210%21ABX&curPageLogUid=OCZdyyQKvxqJ&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

 

[Crcdude]

So I purchased 1 of the Aliexpress Ep8 motor's due to the out of stock and No Eta here in the US. It works, seems to run fine
But..... Here is an FYI... As of recent. Any Shitmano motor produced now has a chip for its specific country of origin and CANNOT BE CHANGED no matter how or who's connected.
Just confirmed this with a Shitmano tech directly connected to my EP8.

 

[Funks]

Are you still unable to get a replacement EP8 motor from Shimano US? I guess my Orbea rise H30 will be bound to the landfill if either the battery (Orbea specific) or the motor goes.

 

[iotarask]

So I purchased 1 of the Aliexpress Ep8 motor's due to the out of stock and No Eta here in the US. It works, seems to run fine
But..... Here is an FYI... As of recent. Any Shitmano motor produced now has a chip for its specific country of origin and CANNOT BE CHANGED no matter how or who's connected.
Just confirmed this with a Shitmano tech directly connected to my EP8.

Hi, old post but what’s the impact of this chip? Any issues using the etube app?

 

[Crcdude]

Hi, old post but what’s the impact of this chip? Any issues using the etube app?

Chip restricts the end user from changin the Destination Country, therefore disabling any speed limit change / Country. Seems to be the only issue I had. Etube worked fine

 

[iotarask]

Chip restricts the end user from changin the Destination Country, therefore disabling any speed limit change / Country. Seems to be the only issue I had. Etube worked fine

Cool thanks. Might get it for upgrading my E8000, it’s very cheap. Just also need cables, computer and mode switches, wondering if I should just order it all from ali.

 

[Backflip]

Here is an FYI... As of recent. Any Shitmano motor produced now has a chip for its specific country of origin and CANNOT BE CHANGED no matter how or who's connected.
Just confirmed this with a Shitmano tech directly connected to my EP8.

This definitely is NOT CORRECT - every "EP8" (DU-EP800 or DU-EP801) can be changed in the country destination settings.
Just check on www.eMax-Tuning.com, this document (chapter 4 for a DU-EP800 drive unit and chapter 12 for a DU-EP801 drive unit) or send an email to the guys from eMax-Tuning.
If your "Shitmano tech" could not change the country destination settings, then this was a quite inexperienced guy with very low knowledge... (there are many of them)

BTW: Please take extreme care and don´t use the wording “EP8” because this can create major misunderstandings => Unfortunately Shimano has branded the newer DU-EP801 (released end of 2022) and the older DU-EP800 (released in 2020) on the right side motor cover with the “EP8” signature.
However, the older DU-EP800 and the newer DU-EP801 are completely different types of drive units in mechanical, electronical, firmware and software aspects.
To visually distinguish these two motor types, you can have a look at this German forum post or also this or this one.

 

[iotarask]

This definitely is NOT CORRECT - every "EP8" (DU-EP800 or DU-EP801) can be changed in the country destination settings.
Just check on www.eMax-Tuning.com, this document (chapter 4 for a DU-EP800 drive unit and chapter 12 for a DU-EP801 drive unit) or send an email to the guys from eMax-Tuning.
If your "Shitmano tech" could not change the country destination settings, then this was a quite inexperienced guy with very low knowledge... (there are many of them)

BTW: Please take extreme care and don´t use the wording “EP8” because this can create major misunderstandings => Unfortunately Shimano has branded the newer DU-EP801 (released end of 2022) and the older DU-EP800 (released in 2020) on the right side motor cover with the “EP8” signature.
However, the older DU-EP800 and the newer DU-EP801 are completely different types of drive units in mechanical, electronical, firmware and software aspects.
To visually distinguish these two motor types, you can have a look at this German forum post or also this or this one.

I think everyone understands the OP. If he meant EP801 he would write so, EP8 in common word usage means EP800.

 

[Backflip]

EP8 in common word usage means EP800.

Maybe that is your interpretation of "common word usage" - however, as written before, "EP8" it can easily lead to misunderstandings and confusion and this - at least in my opinion - should be avoided.

BTW.: If you are intending to replace you DU-E8000 drive unit to a DU-EP800 (you cannot replace a DU-E8000 to an DU-EP801, because you need a different "gen 2" battery which normally will not fit into your bike frame, see also this document), then you should know that you need to program the correct wheel circumference, because on a brand new Shimano STePS drive unit, the wheel circumference is set to the max. value of 3000mm and so your bike then will only go e.g. max. 20km/h with motor support instead of the legal 25km/h in EU setting and also indicate wrong values for speed and distances (trip and odo) on your bike display and e.g. in the E-Tube-Ride - app!
You cannot adjust the wheel circumference by yourself, but the guys from eMax-Tuning may help you.
Also take care of the new small SD300 connector system which was introduced with the DU-EP800, because your DU-E8000 still uses the old large SD50 connector system. So you may need to use some EW-AD305 adapters additional to the new EW-SD300 cables.

 

[iotarask]

Maybe that is your interpretation of "common word usage" - however, as written before, "EP8" it can easily lead to misunderstandings and confusion and this - at least in my opinion - should be avoided.
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BTW.: If you are intending to replace you DU-E8000 drive unit to a DU-EP800 (you cannot replace a DU-E8000 to an DU-EP801, because you need a different "gen 2" battery which normally will not fit into your bike frame, see also this document), then you should know that you need to program the correct wheel circumference, because on a brand new Shimano STePS drive unit, the wheel circumference is set to the max. value of 3000mm and so your bike then will only go e.g. max. 20km/h with motor support instead of the legal 25km/h in EU setting and also indicate wrong values for speed and distances (trip and odo) on your bike display and e.g. in the E-Tube-Ride - app!
You cannot adjust the wheel circumference by yourself, but the guys from eMax-Tuning may help you.
Also take care of the new small SD300 connector system which was introduced with the DU-EP800, because your DU-E8000 still uses the old large SD50 connector system. So you may need to use some EW-AD305 adapters additional to the new EW-SD300 cables.

Hi, isn’t it possible to program with ST unlocker app?

 

[Backflip]

Hi, isn’t it possible to program with ST unlocker app?

Chaining the wheel circumference should be possible with this app too.

 

[Crcdude]

If your "Shitmano tech" could not change the country destination settings, then this was a quite inexperienced guy with very low knowledge... (there are many of them)

Did not consider this... But also sat and watched them remotely from my CPU try multiple times and nothing would "stick" and leave the country of origin in (32km) / usa.. And since I had already purchased the "Premium license" from Stunlocker i had no reason to sink more $$ into another company for something i originally thought was a manufacture lock. Maybe next time Thanks

 

[Backflip]

Did not consider this... But also sat and watched them remotely from my CPU try multiple times and nothing would "stick" and leave the country of origin in (32km) / usa.. And since I had already purchased the "Premium license" from Stunlocker i had no reason to sink more $$ into another company for something i originally thought was a manufacture lock. Maybe next time Thanks

Sorry, I don´t really understand the content of your post (maybe because I am not a native English speaker).
So, have you been able to change country destination already or not?
If you did not have been able to change destination settings already, what is the current country destination your DU-EP800 is set too?
And do you still want to change this settings?
If you still want to change the country destination setting on your drive unit from Aliexpress, then the guys from eMax definitely can do this and solve the situation for you. So, you just need to contact them.
There definitely is no "manufacture lock" on a DU-EP800 drive unit, but some drive units (especially from Aliexpress) need some "very special" treatment, especially if the drive unit currently is set to Taiwanese ("TW") setting, which a lot of DU-EP800 drive units from AliExpress are!

 

[Crcdude]

Have NOT been able to change country with either Stunlocker or Shimano via connection with PCE02. Not to worried about it now unless its really cheap via emax.

 

[Backflip]

Have NOT been able to change country with either Stunlocker or Shimano via connection with PCE02. Not to worried about it now unless its really cheap via emax.

Thanks for your reply.
So again, what is the current country destination setting of your DU-EP800 drive unit?
Is it set to the Taiwanese ("TW") setting?
If "yes", then also the max. motor peak power is reduced to max. 400W (because this is due to legal restrictions in Taiwan).
So, if you would like to get the real max. performance out of your new DU-EP800 drive unit from AliExpress (e.g. via US settings with higher max. motor support speed and also max. peak power of 500W which is 25% more than the "maybe" currently programmed 400W in Taiwanese mode), you maybe should talk to eMax and forget about Stunlocker and Shimano (because both don´t know how to handle this very special situation).
Maybe it sounds a bit strange, but most Shimano employees and service centres have not a lot of knowledge about their own products and also are not able to admit their poor knowledge and then spread rumors like "restriction chip blabla" as an excuse if they fail in their job on your drive unit...
But for sure it is your decision
However, please don´t believe in any bloody rumors like "restriction chips" - it is absolutely insane what unbelievable FAKE NEWS are spread around in the internet in these days...

I don´t know what is the meaning of "really cheap" for you, but ideally contact eMax, describe your current situation, send screenshots of your current settings, refer to this thread and politely ask for a discount and you maybe can create a "deal" which makes both sides happy, will get the full performance out of your new DU-EP800 drive unit and also give proof that I was correct in what i am stating here and the guys from eMax can do this "very special job" for you.

 

[Backflip]

Have NOT been able to change country with either Stunlocker or Shimano via connection with PCE02. Not to worried about it now unless its really cheap via emax.

It seems like you are not really interested in optimizing your drive unit at all, because you don´t give any answers to my questions after several days...
It is a bit disappointing if somebody is asking for help here in the forum and then seems not to be able to follow the conversation in a meaningful way and give proper answers to the people who want and most probably are able to help.

 

[Crcdude]

It seems like you are not really interested in optimizing your drive unit at all, because you don´t give any answers to my questions after several days...
It is a bit disappointing if somebody is asking for help here in the forum and then seems not to be able to follow the conversation in a meaningful way and give proper answers to the people who want and most probably are able to help.

Not sure how this is misunderstood ? But... Was basically throwing in the towel as there was no further reason to pursue the problem. I did just waste 2 hrs of my life tryin to get Emax tuning softy installed on my laptop.. To no avail So... No Im not gonna try and fix this at the moment.
Unless you want to play Microsoft tech and figure out why the Emax software wont install AND OR why this motor is stuck in TW region .. All for free.. Im over it. Thanks

 

[Crcdude]

Side note: Just opened Emax softy just fine on my Win10 cpu.. So must be an issue with Win11 or app on my laptop.
Either way, not worried about it now.

 

[Backflip]

Not sure how this is misunderstood ? But... Was basically throwing in the towel as there was no further reason to pursue the problem. I did just waste 2 hrs of my life tryin to get Emax tuning softy installed on my laptop.. To no avail So... No Im not gonna try and fix this at the moment.
Unless you want to play Microsoft tech and figure out why the Emax software wont install AND OR why this motor is stuck in TW region .. All for free.. Im over it. Thanks

Thanks for your reply.
Until now (for nearly 10 days), you did not give any reply to my clear question "Is it set to the Taiwanese ("TW") setting?".
Also I did not get any information from you if your drive unit from AliExpress currently has a reduced output peak power setting of max. 400W (instead of the nominal 500W)...
So, at least you now have confirmed that your drive unit currently seems to be in "TW" region and so I highly assume your drive unit also is set to the limited peak power of 400W because this is the regular case in Taiwanese setting.
So in your situation I would definitely think twice if you want to unleash this possible 20% increase in max. peak power or not (and even maybe switching to "US" - mode which will give you a max. motor support speed of 32km/h instead of 25km/h in "TW" - mode).
Also, for finding solutions to problems and also providing other forum readers meaningful information it makes a lot of sense to answer questions in a proper way (this at least is my understanding of such a public forum platform).

 

[Backflip]

Side note: Just opened Emax softy just fine on my Win10 cpu.. So must be an issue with Win11 or app on my laptop.
Either way, not worried about it now.

Thanks for your add on.
This situation has nothing to do with Windows 11.
If you would have asked the guys from eMax-Tuning via email which I have suggested to you (and you most probably did not do) or stated this information earlier here in the forum, then you most probably would have saved quite a lot of time and then you would have been given the information that in your situation (depening on the installation process of your Windows 11 computer which seems not to have installed all optional components from Microsoft) you just need to install an additional software package from Microsoft which already was delivered when you have installed the eMax-Tuning software (for the DU-EP800 drive unit you need to download and use the newer miniMax - program) on your computer.
You just should have double-clicked the newly created icon "Please_install_this_program_if_miniMax_will_not_start" on your desktop. That´s all - very easy...
In my opinion this issue is not about just if you are "throwing the towel" or "not worried about this issue now" - in my understanding you should feel the obligation to try to help with common force to find the best possible solution and information for readers once you post and contribute to a public forum thread (and not just to give up when you feel for and don´t want to spend any single dime or wasting any more time of your life for this anymore)...
Especially because your forum post stated "Any Shitmano motor produced now has a chip for its specific country of origin and CANNOT BE CHANGED no matter how or who's connected." which is definitely NOT TRUE.
I know you just wrote this because the Shimano guy told you so, but at least you should be willing to correct things and information spread in the internet and give others the chance and possibility to get access to the real facts.
Just my 5 cents...
Also I hope that you at least have got your money back from STUnlocker which (as far as I understood) could not help you in your situation...

Merry Christmas

 

[Backflip]

@Crcdude: I spoke to the guys from eMax-Tuning and they are willing to help you for "little money" just to prove they are the only ones who can help you in your situation with a "stuck" DU-EP800 drive unit from AliExpress in Taiwanese mode and reduced 400W peak power.
However, at least you should contact them...

 

[Crcdude]

I did get in contact with the ppl at Emax tuning and got my laptop issue sorted out ( was missing windows software)
And will get the motor tuned up as soon as I get the bike back from a friend.

 

[Crcdude]

I finally got the time to sync up with the kind people at Emax -tuning. They were able to verify there is no such region chip restricting the change of regions. So was able to get my Aliexpress motor changed to US/32km/500 watt power. They also dialed in my display setting for accuracy since it was off due to a change in wheel size. All said and done was a rather painless way of gettin my motor setup correct. Much thanks to Emax-Tuning