AMFLOW or Trek Fuel+

[RickBullotta]

True, but why anyone would buy an Amflow now is crazy. Much better bike brands are now releasing bike with the Avinox motor. I’m pretty sure Atherton will dial the frame/geo/construction far better than Amflow for similar money. Likewise Whyte, and possibly Orbea, of similar budgets.

Amflow really was beta testing for the motor, that’s all. That’s the only plus of that bike according to all the reviews.

I dunno, because it handles incredibly well, has almost perfect balance, and a great price?

And you need to read more reviews. Some folks who get to ride every eMTB on the planet consider it one of the best ever.

Your biases are showing.

 

[Rockhopper70]

I dunno, because it handles incredibly well, has almost perfect balance, and a great price?

And you need to read more reviews. Some folks who get to ride every eMTB on the planet consider it one of the best ever.

Your biases are showing.

Because of the motor. It would be a non event if it didn’t have the Avinox.

 

[Brawwp]

Because of the motor. It would be a non event if it didn’t have the Avinox.

This guy is on a canyon neuron on:fly, a 400wh, 140mm travel 45lb bike letting us know our amflow (which he has only ridden in a parking lot) is obsolete.

Brotha, quit trolling lol. Go actually ride an amflow on the trails and let us know what you think. If you have the same opinion on it, then by all means that’s valid. But to just blatantly hate on it when you have zero experience on the bike is crazy. I would love to see your ride footage. See what this bike geo expert can do.

 

[Rockhopper70]

This guy is on a canyon neuron on:fly, a 400wh, 140mm travel 45lb bike letting us know our amflow (which he has only ridden in a parking lot) is obsolete.

Brotha, quit trolling lol. Go actually ride an amflow on the trails and let us know what you think. If you have the same opinion on it, then by all means that’s valid. But to just blatantly hate on it when you have zero experience on the bike is crazy. I would love to see your ride footage. See what this bike geo expert can do.

Oh, stalking me now. I’ve no need to test an Amflow, I’m very happy with my Canyon. 65km today with 1,200m of gloopy muddy hills. But when I hear people say the Amflow one of the best bikes ever, that’s just hilarious. Or implying it wasn’t just the motor that made the sales numbers, c’mon, be serious.

My point way back to the OP, was that an Atherton will blow the Amflow out of the water for UK riding.

 

[Rockhopper70]

To confirm, this is not Honolulu!

 

[Brawwp]

Oh, stalking me now. I’ve no need to test an Amflow, I’m very happy with my Canyon. 65km today with 1,200m of gloopy muddy hills. But when I hear people say the Amflow one of the best bikes ever, that’s just hilarious. Or implying it wasn’t just the motor that made the sales numbers, c’mon, be serious.

My point way back to the OP, was that an Atherton will blow the Amflow out of the water for UK riding.

Alright brotha. I’m over the back n forth with ya. No hard feelings on my end. You have your mind made up on the amflow. To me it’s a little wild to give bike advice on something you’ve never ridden, but hey you do you. You ever come to Hawaii I will absolutely let you try mine out. Then we can continue the shit talking lol.

 

[Silverfox_kiwi]

I recently bought a Fuel+ and have owned (and loved) a Trek Rail since 2022. I only test rode the Fuel+ to convince myself that it didn't have enough puff for me, but it blew me away and I bought one on the spot! I started a thread to share my experience and get other people's views - you might find some useful info there https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/the-sl-bike-is-dead-long-live-the-sl-bike.44510/

I also test rode an Amflow (amongst other full fatters) and had the shop turn the power settings down cos I don't want a mega power sensation. It was good, but nothing to convince me to replace my old Rail with it. But the Fuel+ is just a much purer riding experience and the bike handles so well and is so so quiet. It's a very personal preference, but if you don't want/need a full fatter then you might really like the Fuel+. Autonomy is equal to my Rail (625Wh battery) and the range extender adds 160Wh for less than a kg.

Good luck with your new bike shopping

I would like a Fuel+, but they aren't bringing them into NZ unfortunately, otherwise would buy one

 

[Rockhopper70]

Alright brotha. I’m over the back n forth with ya. No hard feelings on my end. You have your mind made up on the amflow. To me it’s a little wild to give bike advice on something you’ve never ridden, but hey you do you. You ever come to Hawaii I will absolutely let you try mine out. Then we can continue the shit talking lol.

No worries. I sort of felt this was going into personal slights against me and my riding ability so was going to step away.

 

[ZR1]

The thread has kind of been a bit derailed, as you can see largely most people like the bike they own

I'd say wait ~ 1 month until after sea otter to see if anything new fits your criteria better. As you say you don't want full fat but the amflow is in power and battery size as I don't think you can get a 600wh amflow anymore? possibly same for druid lite?

As always, worth going out and demo'ing them if you can.

 

[RickBullotta]

Because of the motor. It would be a non event if it didn’t have the Avinox.

That's what got my attention (along with a relatively low weight for a full power/full battery bike), but it's handling in the twisties and its front/rear balance in the air is better than any eMTB i've owned. I've had a KTM Kapoho, a Pivot Shuttle, an Orbea Rise, and a Specialized S-Works Levo. The Amflow handles better than all of them for trail riding and off smaller jumps/drops. If I was going to go bigger, I'd probably wait out for an Atherton or a Crestline.

 

[Ranu]

Can you tell me please, CBA to watch an entire video to find out something that apparently Amflow aren't shy about declaring.

I’ll answer your question since everyone else is ignoring it.
Amflow’s geometry and suspension design is widely agreed to be “inspired by” the Specialized Stumpjumper / Stumpjumper Evo.

 

[JP-NZ]

Thread successfully amflowed. God it’s tiresome.

 

[Scott_123]

Do you also reckon Magura brakes are top notch?

No they are not. I am used to Shimano and SRAM for many years and this is the first time I have ever dealt with Magura. I’m not sure why they are so popular in Europe, maybe someone can enlighten me? With that being said I’m going to stick with the Magura MT7 brakes as they are finally starting to feel and perform fairly well. Took about 900 miles of riding before they quit rubbing and became a decent set of brakes. Would I rather have SRAM or Shimano? YES.

 

[Scott_123]

I’ll answer your question since everyone else is ignoring it.
Amflow’s geometry and suspension design is widely agreed to be “inspired by” the Specialized Stumpjumper / Stumpjumper Evo.

Bingo
I have a Stumpjumper and taking the motor out of the picture for a moment, I must say it is uncanny how similar they feel on various terrain.

 

[Keef]

I recently bought a Fuel+ and have owned (and loved) a Trek Rail since 2022. I only test rode the Fuel+ to convince myself that it didn't have enough puff for me, but it blew me away and I bought one on the spot! I started a thread to share my experience and get other people's views - you might find some useful info there https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/the-sl-bike-is-dead-long-live-the-sl-bike.44510/

I also test rode an Amflow (amongst other full fatters) and had the shop turn the power settings down cos I don't want a mega power sensation. It was good, but nothing to convince me to replace my old Rail with it. But the Fuel+ is just a much purer riding experience and the bike handles so well and is so so quiet. It's a very personal preference, but if you don't want/need a full fatter then you might really like the Fuel+. Autonomy is equal to my Rail (625Wh battery) and the range extender adds 160Wh for less than a kg.

Good luck with your new bike shopping

I also love my new Fuel+ EX. It is all the power I need and the bike rides incredibly well.

 

[F4Flyer]

I'd vote for the Trek...far better and local dealer support and a great lower-weight bike. Granted, I do not need a ton of power since I still ride my regular MTBs. I so have a full power Pivot but have tuned down the Tour mode (the one I am usually in) significantly./. If you are all about speed and power, the Amflow is it. Since I am not, I'd pick the Trek quite easily. If the Trek had the Bosch motor, that would be even better.

 

[deertrackdoctor]

Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I’ve had a bike, but things are changing and I may venture back into the hobby.

Im considering the AMFLOW or the Trek Fuel+.

I have owned a Trek Fuel exe, fully fat Rail and also a Spesh Levo. So I’m not new to the scene.

I don’t want a Full fat.

I think the Trek will give me everything I need, I do t know too much about the AMFLOW.

I think the AMFLOW is heavier than the Fuel+, and is maybe considered ‘not the best bike’, but maybe has the best motor, I’ve also seen videos of frame flex on the AMFLOW.

So, educate me…..

The best advice I can give you is to test ride both
Trek fuel+ has a 580
Removable Battery so you could carry a spare for epic days out
And it's also handy for charging in hotels etc

Avinox has a 800 fixed battery
But is very greedy and eats battery quickly
You could set the bike up and tune down the power modes to get better range .

Tek fuel+ wins for range
Avinox wins on power /torque but the trade off is less range

I'm very tempted to test ride a trek fuel+ 160/150 version

 

[deertrackdoctor]

Obsolete? lol dude the amflow is literally the best bang for your buck trail bike package of any bike out right now and of the bikes set to release in spring. $6500 for an amflow vs $10k + for the others

OP, when people who have never ridden one go out of their way any chance they get to bash something, that’s how you know it’s a good bike. Everything in the trail bike category gets compared to the amflow lately. People get mad at how much attention the amflow gets. Go on your local mtb group and see if anyone can let you try one. That’s the best advice you’ll get. Go try to ride both and make the decision. Is it the best bike ever, no, but it’s untouchable as far as price goes to how good it is.

Untouchable is a bit strong is it not ?
Three Avinox equipped bikes at similar price and better than Avinox

Megamo reason excellent geometry and multiple specification choices
Great value

Forbidden Druid already discounted with 15 percent off
Proper Enduro geometry


The new Atherton at similar price
From a company who have raced and developed bikes at world cup level

Versus a Chinese catalogue bike chosen to show off the DJI motor based on stumpjumper geometry

 

[deertrackdoctor]

Get an Atherton. The Amflow is obsolete to all intents and purposes now.

The trek may be a better trail bike though, and it can be adjusted with various linkages available aftermarket. Also, I think the battery on the trek is removable so, in theory, you could take it out and fly with the bike.

I cannot see why anyone would get an Amflow now, it’s served its purpose as a showcase platform for the Avinox motor but better bikes with that motor are coming on stream.

I agree there are now 3 or 4 bike Avinox equipped that are by far better designed bikes with better geometry and a few discounted already
Trail bike wise the megamonreason

Leaning more to Enduro the Forbidden Druid is now available with 15 percent off
And the Atherton if you want a aggressive Enduro bike with race geometry

 

[Tgianco]

True, but why anyone would buy an Amflow now is crazy. Much better bike brands are now releasing bike with the Avinox motor. I’m pretty sure Atherton will dial the frame/geo/construction far better than Amflow for similar money. Likewise Whyte, and possibly Orbea, of similar budgets.

Amflow really was beta testing for the motor, that’s all. That’s the only plus of that bike according to all the reviews.

I bought the PL Carbon at the end of December, and it blows away my Specialized Gen 4 Turbo Levo (not even in the same vicinity) & '25 Orbea Wild with Bosch Gen 4. I also test-rode a Forbidden Druid Core2 with Avinox motor at the end of February, and, while much. ore expensive than the Amflow, I found i didn't like it nearly as much.
That's why we test ride when we can. There is no one-size-fits-all. We all bring our own experiences & styles, so get on each bike you're thinking of purchasing & try to put away preconceived notions.

 

[Tgianco]

It’s like a variation on the old pilot joke.

Q. How do you know if somebody rides an Amflow?

A. Don’t worry, they’ll be along to tell you in a minute.

I've only heard that joke about crossfit & vegans.

 

[The undecided]

Hi.
If any of you are old enough to remember the revelation that was the original Sierra Cosworth bringing supercar performance at (tongue in cheek)supermarket prices?
I think Amflow/Avinox has achieved the same legendary status.
Now everyone has to play catch up.
Now,Lets see some love for the proposed new Orange Phase with DJI?
Lights blue touch paper……..

 

[Ribinrobin]

Id say the trek fuel+ seems a good bike. I got the OG trek fuel exe and could never get on with it. A friend had one for 3 years and loved it, his now gone to a druid lite. i found the motor lacked quite a bit and had several issues with it in a short time.

(ill also add ive owned levo sls and never felt they lacked as much as the TQ)

Amflow aside the motor system of avinox means you can create the fuel+ within the avinox. The bikes weigh similar (amflow/fuel+) I have a druid now and run mine in auto 60nm 400wh of power power band 4-6 (i think)
Within the avinox system you can create and replicate most emtbs. Lower the power on avinox quieter motor is so you get kind of same thing as a fuel + without the limitations of the motor.

Personal views! im sure the wolves will descend on me soon, but for me id struggle to buy a tq equipped bike thats not much lighter than my avinox bike but is way more limited in choice of customisation

 

[ebikerider]

Id say the trek fuel+ seems a good bike. I got the OG trek fuel exe and could never get on with it. A friend had one for 3 years and loved it, his now gone to a druid lite. i found the motor lacked quite a bit and had several issues with it in a short time.

(ill also add ive owned levo sls and never felt they lacked as much as the TQ)

Amflow aside the motor system of avinox means you can create the fuel+ within the avinox. The bikes weigh similar (amflow/fuel+) I have a druid now and run mine in auto 60nm 400wh of power power band 4-6 (i think)
Within the avinox system you can create and replicate most emtbs. Lower the power on avinox quieter motor is so you get kind of same thing as a fuel + without the limitations of the motor.

Personal views! im sure the wolves will descend on me soon, but for me id struggle to buy a tq equipped bike thats not much lighter than my avinox bike but is way more limited in choice of customisation

Fair but at least the TQ is silent and doesn’t rattle. This is inportant to some.

 

[Rockhopper70]

Id say the trek fuel+ seems a good bike. I got the OG trek fuel exe and could never get on with it. A friend had one for 3 years and loved it, his now gone to a druid lite. i found the motor lacked quite a bit and had several issues with it in a short time.

(ill also add ive owned levo sls and never felt they lacked as much as the TQ)

Amflow aside the motor system of avinox means you can create the fuel+ within the avinox. The bikes weigh similar (amflow/fuel+) I have a druid now and run mine in auto 60nm 400wh of power power band 4-6 (i think)
Within the avinox system you can create and replicate most emtbs. Lower the power on avinox quieter motor is so you get kind of same thing as a fuel + without the limitations of the motor.

Personal views! im sure the wolves will descend on me soon, but for me id struggle to buy a tq equipped bike thats not much lighter than my avinox bike but is way more limited in choice of customisation

The fuel+ is very customisable with the factory linkages and alternate shock mounts. You could run it as an XC ripper or a DH shredder. You can also run the trek without the battery so flying with it, and just the range extender, for alps trips etc is possible.

 

[RickBullotta]

Untouchable is a bit strong is it not ?
Three Avinox equipped bikes at similar price and better than Avinox

Megamo reason excellent geometry and multiple specification choices
Great value

Forbidden Druid already discounted with 15 percent off
Proper Enduro geometry


The new Atherton at similar price
From a company who have raced and developed bikes at world cup level

Versus a Chinese catalogue bike chosen to show off the DJI motor based on stumpjumper geometry

The new Atherton is significantly more expensive, actually. And not available for order in most of the world. It looks like it's going to be a sweet bike though.

 

[Roaming50]

I just got the Fuel+ EX 9.7 and that is the only model you can get at the moment in our area. I intend to change it into a more all mountain rig with the latest Lyrik and Vivid.

I talk a lot about that in this video.

2026 Trek Fuel+ EX 9 7 - First Ride Impressions