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You have 2 options for using a shimano hg hub if you want to retain 12 sp: SRAM NX cassette - crazy heavy, but they last Garbaruk 12 sp cassette for a HG spline - much lighter / sexier Alternatively, keep the 11 sp cassette on the wheel, and swap the derailier / shifters from the other bike ?

Nah, that's YOU struggling at perfectly normal temperatures. In Australia we find the performance drops around 40 c

A bottle range extender is perfect - there are so many off the shelf alternatives for carting bottle sized objects on a bike.

I'd never noticed the best before date on my obsolete sl , just goes to show we need to check the fine print. Trying REALY hard not to visit the lbs now - quieter, sram cranks, and a flip chip that shortens the chainstays in 27.5 mode - lots to like. I'm going to REALY struggle if he conforms...

Doh...I was reading that in Australian and got really confused ( 1 july 23)

But wouldn't it be fun to know the build date ... given this thread started Jan 22....

Did you get a discount for it being a 22 model?

The evil kenevo thread

They can lock and bury, but we'll never forget. Vivalevosltoo

Stock old comp carbon with fox 34's , tubeless but stock tyres comes in at low 18 kg Mine has crept up to 19 kg with fox 36 x160, rs superdeluxe, and dhf / dhr's with decent casings . Nut I can easily get it back around 18 kg with a wash and lighter cassette.....

Question, some earlier posts comparing the s works and comp carbon seem to indicate DUB cranks on the comp carbon? Could that mean different spindles and a move away from the weakest part of the old sl motor?

If you fit fox 36 and a piggy back onto an old comp carbon it's around 19 kg ( with decent rubber and pedals fitted) . Add a bit more for that new derailleur ?

So now we REALY want to know if the motor is backwards compatible

Nah, marketing is power - especially when they mention more than the mythical 250 w legal limit.... But legal has a card up their sleeve ..... " We can confirm our friends in marketing published the sound output of 50 Naked Men , measured in Wank Hours "

Rob knows , but he has to eat snails if he tells anyone

Credit where it's due, Specialized took an extra year releasing this thing so that all the levo sl riders can get stronger legs - " two times you" now equals 360 rather that 230 whatevers !

Anyone know if the new moderator motor can run on just the old range extender, and if that will make it backwards compatible ?

Bloody smart move by specialized to rename their light weight the moderator. Don't like how something is handled - gone. Compromising pictures on the internet - gone. Fragile cranks? -gone. A cunning plan - nobody is going to complain the moderator doesn't have enough power.

The ceo had a drunken bet with the guys from marketing - move the release date back by 1 day for every internet " fact" that pops up. Then engineering got in on the fun, each morning the team has to skull a shot of bull for each false rumor in exchange for a hug from advertising for the true...