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  1. GL1

    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    I really like that you brought up "right to repair" and I think that as a "vehicle" these should fall under that as well and what I see Spec doing with their tech is dangerously close to breach of that (in my very non-official opinion.) But, this is why they came out with laws like this for...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    I really don't like all the proprietary tech around all of this and the lack of details on how it all works even more so. From my experience the dealers I have been to don't seem to know a lot either and if someone does it's typically one guy that went to some Spec training etc. and handles all...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    Hi, so I wanted to sort of finish this thread out to help anyone else looking into this. Despite anything I wrote previously (some of it was guessing or errant,) here is what I have found to be true through much testing: For GEN 3 Levo's Brose 2.2 motors with the OLD "bar" style TCU's: -...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    Old style TCU's are $140. I may pick one up. New style MasterMind are $250. I have seen some successfully upgrading to those but IDK...with the issues I'm having I think just staying with the old may be best.
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    Yes the old display may work differently (may not have to be paired.) In my bike, it has the older style TCU but my spare motor likely have had the newer digital TCU controlling it in the bike it came out of so that may be a / the complexity and issue. Had it been controlled by an older TCU...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    I think if your spare is paried to that same TCU, you will be fine. The eMotor Repair guys said this should work just fine, and that you can have more than one motor paired to a TCU...and I trust them. The problem I have is that this spare motor I have, I wanted it to be able to be used in a...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    You are correct. By what I've been hearing what you did there should not have worked. And yet, it did. I would have expected the "new" TCU to have been paired to a different motor and not the one in the bike...and thus cause a motor error as mine is. And so answers still elude me. I wish Spec...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    OKAY, so I have talked to two dealers / shops and the awesome eBike Motor Repair guys and here is what I think I have learned. A motor must be paired to a specific TCU. Only a dealer with the proprietary Spec software can do this pairing. You could apparently pair multiple motors to a TCU...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    Right. So if THIS is the case, then it isn't so much just whether a motor is set for the old vs new screen but the actual TCU somehow. Well, if this is the situation then I think I'll still have this original motor rebuilt and it can become my spare and then I'll have to take it to the shop...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    This is great to know. ALL of mine (I have four) have the old TCU. So, I'll take it to the shop but if this new motor (which very well may have had the new TCU) is changed for the old TCU then it should be plug and play between all my bikes? And, the original for this particular bike that I'm...
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    Brose 2.2 Gen 3 Turbo Levo Motor Swap ?

    Hello, my 3rd Gen (2020) Turbo Levo's motor has a slipping sprag. I have a spare motor...same generation from a (2021 I think) Turbo Levo, Brose 2.2 S Mag etc. Exact same. I've had it waiting for a situation just like this. I'm going to send the original one in to be rebuilt and was excited to...
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    Mullet Setup Effect on Range

    Yes, that IS a good point for sure. I have experienced that too. Harder compound and/or PSI does make a noticeable difference in range. And overall width and weight as well although on an e-bike you have to find that balance (on the rear) or, at least for me, you'll pound rims and get flats like...
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    When is an eMTB too heavy?

    This! I used to ride a LOT of moto in the Rockies and no eBike seems too heavy after trying to get out of some of the boulder fields and other jams we got in with dirt bikes. In all seriousness I have found a good balance around the mid-40's if you can get it. Mullet setup, carbon bars and...
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    Mullet Setup Effect on Range

    So, I have for over a year now had two Levo Comps that are extremely similar with the exception of one being setup "mullet" with 27.5 in the rear. Riding characteristics aside (and personally I do prefer the quicker spin up and more playful feel of the 27.5,) I have actually noticed what I...
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    Battery Confusion

    So, despite some of the great deals Spec has right now online for eBikes (Turbo Levo for $5600...same as what I paid in 2020, and a low spec but carbon 500w for $5,000), I found a pristine 2019 Carbon Levo Expert with upgrades and 200 miles on the new motor, 700w with 50 charge cycles. And yep...
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    Battery Confusion

    Okay so then I am incorrect and in a Gen 2 (2019-2021) that came as a 500w, that should also be able to be converted to a 700w with a battery swap correct? And thank you! I appreciate it VERY much man!
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    Battery Confusion

    Awesome and thank you! Okay, so the TCU...regular or Mastermind have no bearing on interchanging batteries or motors it sounds like. All batteries and motors from this era should work with either TCU it seems. Very cool the the 3rd Gen batteries...both 500w and 700w are interchangeable and...
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    Battery Confusion

    Hi all, I have been piecing things together but can’t quite get this clear concerning batteries… I have a 2020 Levo Comp with the 700w battery. Love the bike. As I look at a second one I’m trying to figure out what mixing and matching of batteries I can or cannot do: FIRST, what are the...
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    Trek RIB Battery Alignment Procedure

    Yes, but see the evolution of my attempts to fix this myself. I had little to no luck with all the solutions I tried. It finally got resolved when I went to the Trek store and they installed the battery truss and a new connector plate. So I'm recommending to everyone with this issue to go...
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    Trek RIB Battery Alignment Procedure

    Okay, I wanted to post an update. My father in law has had the bike and ridden a few hundred miles on just roads around his house. No issues, but not a great test. Today I got a solid 23 mile, tech ride in and it is indeed fully fixed. So the truss plus the new connection plate did the trick for...
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