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This is interesting, as it demonstrates Gabao is willing to integrated into other platforms. What I would really like to see is Gabao adapting their motor or even their ECVT motor into other legacy form factors. Namely Bosch Gen4 and Gen5. I could see a lot more take-up than for Shimano...

Yep. And also the critical announcement of the Avinox MG mtor. At long last, a vindication for ECVT technology and the true establishment of a deraileur-less EMTB future.

Both SRAM and Shimano have posted MGU patents last year, and these are of the gearbox variety not too dissimilar to Pinion. Let's see if these patents are just posturing or do they really intend to bring them to market. I really doubt it. And then there's Intradrive desperately trying to woo...

Not much use revising yesterday's OP as in the last day the ECVT battle between Avinox and Gabao came out of nowhere. Perhaps still fitting though is that my list of interests at Eurobike are still MGU focussed. More than anything I need know if anyone on the forum will be attending Eurobike...

So what's the alternative? Good old clunky Pinion gearbox? We've seen where's that led the market. Pedal-by-Wire might be the only other alternative I can think of.

Juice worth the squeeze angle is defensible on it own for battery regen. But when combined with ABS braking, it's insanely good when done right. If anyone ever gets a chance to demo a TM-B, you will know exactly what I mean. it really worked well on the Sea Otter MTB test trails. The modulation...

Then you've probably not heard that CVT was banned for Formula One racing because it created too much of a driving advantage.

See comments in [brackets] above. To answer the topical question though, yeah it will probably kill at least the full-power enduro side of the EMTB market in due time. It's not clear at this point if a super compact, light-weight, lower-power ECVT could be built for a trail EMTB. It requires...

Well if you can reclaim like 25% of battery capacity then a 600WH would have the same range as 800WH. That's a lot of poundage taken off your bike, not to mention improved handling with a small battery.

Agreed, but that's exactly how the TM-B works. Regen is part of their ABS braking system and it works wonderfully - I mean crazy good. The very best braking system I've ever experienced on an EMTB. The TM-B also has a belt guard as you alluded. That may seem like a lot of hoops to through to...

All the current announcements for the Avinox MG (and the Gobao XP1 motor as well), officially and through influencers, tout that their ECVT design can support battery regenation, which is actually the case due the inherent capabilities of ECVT Hybrid Drive design. However, I just realized with...

It would feel exactly like your are in a fixed gear; it's just that get to that gear 10 times faster.

Cute. Keep in mind there is no internal clutch to disengage the motor train from the pedal train (i.e. no float). The pedal axle is always connected to planetary system with ECVT. It would just be planetary gear backlash felt, so probably not a future glaring issue.

The degraded modes of the motor will depend on the design internals. The way ECVTs work is the gearing motor (not the drive motor) runs at a particular speed to set the ratio between the sun and ring gears or between the planetary and rings gears (depending on implementation). It's bit like...

Tensioners are the bane of MGU and gearbox designs. I've harped on this for quite some time and its problem that needs to be solved along with the motor tech. Villeger Dynamic a couple of years back (nothing from them since) has a ECVT motor design with integrated tensioner optimized for the...

This would be profound if true! And would make total sense for likes of Specialized. Gobao could easily become the new Brose for them. This is exactly what we want. Competition in the ebike motor space again, not to mention and instant validation of the Motor-Transmission-Unit MTU space (need...

This was the copy I wrote two days ago for Eurobike 2026 and was planning to post it and then the explosion of MGU wares hit the scene (I'll post an major revision when I get the chance), which changed everything : While I have no intention of visiting Eurobike this year, as it’s not in my neck...

Then again you just coast back downhill and recharge your battery ;) Edit: Actually, this won't be happen with the current Avinox MG prototype bikes.

Most likely the following degraded modes, based on ECVT theory and assuming the MG is a true ECVT: No power delivery to motor (at all, like a broken harness) it will drop into fixed gear ratio. Whether it's in high gear, mid, or low is TBD based on design. Dead battery: you pedaling could...

Ugh, different motor mounts. Can't have everything. Still about the size of Gen 5 Bosch.