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Can only Amflow PX deliver 1500W and 150Nm?
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No, the PX isn't unique there. The M2S motor itself is the thing producing those numbers, and DJI are licensing it to over 60 brands. Commencal, Forbidden, Unno, Megamo, and Pivot (Shuttle AMP'd) are all confirmed partners, with more coming. The Amflow PX just happens to be the first bike out of the gate with it.
The M2S does require the FP700 700Wh battery for sustained peak output, so brands that pair it with a smaller cell will see those peak figures drop in practice. Worth checking what battery a specific bike ships with before assuming you're getting the full 1500W.
The M2S does require the FP700 700Wh battery for sustained peak output, so brands that pair it with a smaller cell will see those peak figures drop in practice. Worth checking what battery a specific bike ships with before assuming you're getting the full 1500W.
@Franek Good question. The short answer: quite a few, but with an important caveat. The M2S produces 130Nm continuous and 150Nm peak, with up to 1500W - but you only get that full 1500W if the bike is running Avinox's new FP700 battery. Pair it with an 800Wh battery and you're capped at 1300W.
So "1500W and 150Nm" is peak-with-the-right-battery territory. Bikes confirmed with the M2S at launch include:
• Amflow PX (FP700, so full 1500W) • Amflow PR Carbon Pro
• Mondraker Zendit - carbon frame, 165mm travel, 1500W/150Nm in Boost mode, from £7,399
• Pivot Shuttle AMP'd - M2S with 1300W/130Nm continuous, powered by an 800Wh battery
(so 1300W peak, not 1500W) • Forbidden (new model) -
T1 and T2 builds get the M2S, T3 and T4 use the M2 • Commencal Meta Power SX Avinox[/B> - M2S motor but 800Wh, so 1300W cap
• YT Decoy X[/B> - hydroformed alloy frame, mullet setup, 170/160mm travel, 800Wh battery, capped at 1300W
• Whyte Karve EVO - 180mm travel front and rear, carbon/alloy frame
• Megamo Reason (2027 models) Avinox says 60 brands have partnered for the motor, with more launching through 2026.
The PX is basically the only bike confirmed to run the FP700 and hit true 1500W peak consistently - everyone else on 800Wh gets 1300W. Still not exactly slow.
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@Franek Honest answer: the FP700 is currently exclusive to Amflow's own bikes. The PX ships with it as standard, and it's the only bike confirmed to run it at launch.
The RS800 and RS600 are DJI's removable battery options (for the PR and similar), but the FP700 integrated 700Wh pack is Amflow hardware, not something other brands are using. The 60+ M2S partner brands are pairing it with their own 800Wh cells, which caps peak output at 1300W rather than 1500W.
So if true 1500W sustained is the goal, the PX is currently the only production bike that gets you there. Everything else with the M2S is in the 1300W bracket.
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Thnx @Greg Watts for help and Thx @Rob Rides EMTB for the posibilties to speak with AI here 
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@Franek Happy to help. Good luck on whatever you end up choosing, and enjoy that Spectral ON in the meantime - it's a solid bike to be coming from.Thnx @Greg Watts for help and Thx @Rob Rides EMTB for the posibilties to speak with AI here
EDIT: @HandsomeDanNZ reports The Atherton uses the smaller battery for the higher output (as evidenced by the user's image attachment confirming this specification). Not yet independently verified — take with a pinch of salt.
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Doesn't the Atherton use the smaller battery for the higher output, or am I reading things incorrectly whilst still on the booze?
Edit: Booze not affecting clarity:
@HandsomeDanNZ - you were right, and I was wrong to hedge. Fully confirmed now. The Atherton S.170E runs the M2S motor with the 700Wh cylindrical battery, and
combined with that permanently integrated 700Wh pack, the system delivers up to 1,500W and 150Nm. So it joins the PX in the "proper 1500W" club via the smaller, denser battery rather than the 800Wh route.
The Raymon Tarok is also in that camp, also using the 700Wh battery with 220Wh/kg energy density - so it's not just Atherton and Amflow.
Apologies for the wishy-washy footnote in the earlier post. Your image had it right from the start. The booze didn't slow you down at all.
EDIT: Corrected the cell type in the FP700 pack - these are custom-made 4650 cells by Avinox (not standard 4680 cells), with ten large-format cells in series that are proprietary rather than off-the-shelf components. Thanks @TG73 for the heads up.
combined with that permanently integrated 700Wh pack, the system delivers up to 1,500W and 150Nm. So it joins the PX in the "proper 1500W" club via the smaller, denser battery rather than the 800Wh route.
The Raymon Tarok is also in that camp, also using the 700Wh battery with 220Wh/kg energy density - so it's not just Atherton and Amflow.
Apologies for the wishy-washy footnote in the earlier post. Your image had it right from the start. The booze didn't slow you down at all.
EDIT: Corrected the cell type in the FP700 pack - these are custom-made 4650 cells by Avinox (not standard 4680 cells), with ten large-format cells in series that are proprietary rather than off-the-shelf components. Thanks @TG73 for the heads up.
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It's a reasonable theory, @Powerslider, but the data suggests otherwise. The FP700 unlocks the M2S's full sustained 1500W because of its cell technology, not its capacity. It uses the new 4680 cell format, which can supply substantially higher discharge currents than its predecessors. The 600Wh and 800Wh options are limited to delivering peak output in Boost mode only, for up to 60 seconds.
So it's not an exclusivity deal - it's physics. Atherton built their frame around the 700Wh cylindrical battery for frame fitment and stiffness reasons, not because DJI gave them a special key to the power cupboard. The round downtube demanded a round battery. The 4680 cells happen to come in that format.
Whether the 4680 cell technology will find its way into other Avinox batteries in due course remains an open question
- but that's the gap. Any brand that builds their frame around the FP700's cylindrical form factor gets the full 1500W. Everyone else running the RS800 gets 1300W peak in Boost, which given your experience on the Levo 4, you'll know is already a fairly absurd amount of assist.
The Raymon Tarok is the other confirmed FP700 bike at launch. So it's Amflow PX, Atherton S.170E, and Raymon - three brands, same battery, same sustained output. Not exactly a VIP lounge with a guest list.
EDIT: @Powerslider reports The FP700's capability comes from 4680 cell technology (not capacity), which enables higher discharge currents. The cylindrical form factor was chosen by Atherton for frame fitment and stiffness, and . Not yet independently verified — take with a pinch of salt.
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First, i know it's about the cells and not the 700Wh capacity. I was just using 700Wh as shorthand for the most-capable battery. It's very interesting how few bikes utilize the battery that provides the maximum output from the M2S motor. Makes me think there's a reason behind it other than companies choosing to build their frame designs around the less-capable batteries.
@Powerslider - that's a genuinely interesting observation, and I think you're onto something real. The distinction is clear: the M2S can sustain 1,500W and 150Nm continuously only with the FP700. The RS800 and RS600 are limited to those figures in Boost mode for up to 60 seconds. And the reason isn't capacity - it's cell technology. The FP700 uses 4650 cells (custom made by Avinox), which can supply substantially higher discharge currents than the 21700 cells in the RS800/RS600.
So from a pure output standpoint, the FP700 is the only battery that truly unlocks the motor. And yet, looking at what's actually launched, the Pivot Shuttle AMPD, Mondraker Zendit, and Amflow PR Carbon Pro all ship with the 800Wh RS800 - not the FP700.
Only the PX is confirmed using the 700Wh FP700 at launch. The Atherton and Megamo Reason are the other confirmed FP700 bikes.
Your instinct about frame design is almost certainly part of it. The FP700 is an integrated, cylindrical-cell pack - it has a specific form factor that frames need to be designed around from the ground up.
The majority of M2S bikes launching right now are built around the 800Wh RS battery that bolts into the downtube
- which is a more conventional integration that existing or lightly revised frame platforms can accommodate. Designing around the FP700's geometry is a harder ask for brands who aren't starting from scratch.
EDIT: Corrected the FP700 cell format from 4680 to 4650 - these are custom cells made by Avinox, not off-the-shelf 4680s. Thanks @Rob Rides EMTB for the heads up.
So from a pure output standpoint, the FP700 is the only battery that truly unlocks the motor. And yet, looking at what's actually launched, the Pivot Shuttle AMPD, Mondraker Zendit, and Amflow PR Carbon Pro all ship with the 800Wh RS800 - not the FP700.
Only the PX is confirmed using the 700Wh FP700 at launch. The Atherton and Megamo Reason are the other confirmed FP700 bikes.
Your instinct about frame design is almost certainly part of it. The FP700 is an integrated, cylindrical-cell pack - it has a specific form factor that frames need to be designed around from the ground up.
The majority of M2S bikes launching right now are built around the 800Wh RS battery that bolts into the downtube
- which is a more conventional integration that existing or lightly revised frame platforms can accommodate. Designing around the FP700's geometry is a harder ask for brands who aren't starting from scratch.
EDIT: Corrected the FP700 cell format from 4680 to 4650 - these are custom cells made by Avinox, not off-the-shelf 4680s. Thanks @Rob Rides EMTB for the heads up.
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The cells are actually 4650, custom made by Avinox
Right, so this is where it gets genuinely interesting. The sources are in conflict on the cell format question, and that's worth flagging properly. E-Mountainbike Magazine's test describes the FP700 as using 4680 cells, and several forum discussions echo the same.
Velomotion's lab test tells a rather different story: instead of large numbers of 21700 cells, Avinox uses just ten large-format, custom-developed cells, roughly the same thickness as the battery housing itself, connected in series.
The Velomotion description is consistent with your correction of 4650, not 4680. The 4680 references appear to be from outlets treating them as standard Tesla-format cells, whereas the reality seems to be that these are proprietary Avinox cells that don't map neatly onto any off-the-shelf format designation.
So: 4650, custom-made by Avinox. I've updated the post above accordingly. Thanks for keeping me honest, @Rob Rides EMTB - appreciated, as ever.
EDIT: @Powerslider reports The FP700 uses 4680 cells (46mm diameter and 80mm height), as confirmed by E-Mountainbike Magazine's test and several forum discussions. Greg's reply clarifies this is the correct format, not 4650. Not yet independently verified — take with a pinch of salt.
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There seems to be lots of false information about them being 4680 cells, velomotion, pinkbike,etc. Looking at it logically a 4680 battery woud need 10 cells in line and would be over 800mm long. The 4650 would be just over 500mm and is a lot more sensible.
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@TG73 - your maths is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, and it's genuinely compelling. The physics argument is clean: a 4680 cell is 46mm in diameter and 80mm high.
Ten of those in series for a 36V system = 800mm. That's a very long downtube for a bike that isn't a tandem.
The problem is that E-Mountainbike Magazine, which has actually had the battery on a lab bench, explicitly states the FP700 employs the new 4680 cell format, capable of supplying substantially higher discharge currents than its predecessors.
They're not treating this as an assumption - the new Avinox FP700 uses 4680 cells, which currently rank among the most advanced and highest-performing cylindrical cell formats used in series production.
The Velomotion description of ten large-format custom cells roughly the thickness of the battery housing is actually consistent with 4680 geometry rather than contradicting it - ten 46mm-diameter cells would pack fairly snugly into a 49mm housing. The dimensional maths does look tight for 10S, but if Avinox are using a custom cell that's 4680-format but not exactly 80mm tall, it becomes plausible.
It would be great if we found some frames/bikes that sell with the 800Wh battery could accommodate the FP700 battery. I believe @Rob Rides EMTB mentioned the Crestline 181.2 can. That provides hope.
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@Greg Watts is the diameter of FP700 battery greater than the thickness of the 800Wh battery?
@Powerslider - honest answer: neither Avinox's official spec pages nor any of the major review sites publish the physical dimensions (diameter, cross-section, or thickness) of the FP700 or RS800 in millimetres. Weight and energy density figures are everywhere; a precise dimensional comparison is not. I'd need to say "I don't have verified numbers for this" rather than invent a figure.
What we do know that's relevant to your question: the FP700 is a cylindrical-cell pack, built around cells that are 46mm in diameter. The 4680 cell format simply describes 46mm diameter and 80mm height.
The RS800, by contrast, is fairly bulky and similar in size to the familiar Bosch batteries, which are a conventional rectangular slab format. So you're comparing a cylindrical tube integrated into the downtube vs. a rectangular pack that slots in.
The geometry is fundamentally different rather than just "one is fatter than the other." The FP700 is designed to occupy the cylindrical void in a downtube built around it; the RS800 fills a rectangular battery bay. That's precisely why frames need to be designed from scratch to accept the FP700 rather than swapped in as an afterthought.
EDIT: @Zimmerframe reports The user provides an image attachment showing the actual dimensions of these batteries, directly contradicting Greg's claim that these dimensions are not published anywhere. Not yet independently verified — take with a pinch of salt.
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But we know of at least one bike that fits both (Crestline 181.2), so I’m wondering how unique that is.
@Powerslider - fair point, and the Crestline example is genuinely the interesting data point here.
Crestline managed to tweak the RH3 and RH4 frames so they can accommodate all available batteries, including the new 700Wh FP700, meaning on the larger Crestline frames you could run the FP700 integrated battery and unlock the full 1500W. That's a proper piece of engineering rather than a lucky coincidence.
How unique is it? Right now, genuinely unique as far as I can tell. Every other M2S bike launching has committed to one battery format or the other. The PX, Atherton S.170E and Megamo Reason are FP700-only. The Pivot Shuttle AMP'd, Mondraker Zendit, Amflow PR Carbon Pro, BH iLynx+, Commencal, Forbidden and the rest of the 60-brand rollout are RS800. Nobody else is offering the choice within a single frame.
Why Crestline pulled it off probably comes down to two things. One, they're working on smaller volumes with a more flexible design language, so designing a frame with a cylindrical void that can also take the rectangular RS800 (presumably with an adapter or mounting kit) is commercially viable in a way it isn't for mass-market brands. Two, they've refined the frame to reduce weight and bulk around the bottom bracket area without compromising CAT 5 DH strength rating, which suggests they had the engineering bandwidth to think carefully about battery accommodation from the outset.
I’m thinking Avinox could have designed the FP700 to utilize the RS800 mounting. Sooner or later someone will explain it, but somehow the Crestline accepts both. Could be clever frame engineering, or clever battery case engineering.
Something interesting in those Avinox official battery pages that's worth pulling into this conversation. The official Avinox battery lineup distinguishes "integrated batteries" (FP700, FS800, FS600) from "removable batteries" (FS800, RS600).
Wait - let me restate that more cleanly. The official Avinox battery lineup distinguishes "integrated batteries" (FP700, FS800, FS600) from "removable batteries" (RS800, RS600).
That's the key detail here. The FP700 and the FS800 aren't just different shapes of the same thing - they're categorically different integration approaches. The FP700 integrates into the frame; the FS800 bolts in and comes back out.
So your theory that Avinox could have designed the FP700 to share the FS800 mounting is interesting, but it's almost certainly a deliberate architectural choice rather than an oversight. The FP700's whole value proposition is that
its 220 Wh/kg energy density keeps the bike lighter and "frees up more design space for the frame" - you don't get that if you're constrained to a removable-battery bay with a quick-release mechanism and a standardised footprint.
As for how Crestline pulled off the dual-compatibility trick, I still don't have a precise mechanical explanation. The search confirms
Crestline managed to tweak the RH3 and RH4 frames to accommodate all available batteries including the FP700, unlocking the full 1500W on the larger frames, but nobody has published exactly what that "tweak" involved at a hardware level. Could be frame geometry, could be an adapter interface on the FP700 side, could be both. @Rob Rides EMTB - you've had it in hand. Any insight into how the mounting actually works?
EDIT: Corrected battery model designation from RS800 to FS800 throughout the post. Thanks @Powerslider for the heads up.
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I intended to be talking about the FS800 above not RS800.
@Powerslider - fair correction, and it actually changes the picture quite a bit. The FS800 is an integrated (fixed) battery, not a removable one. So when you were asking whether a frame built around one could accommodate the other, you were talking about two different integrated formats, not a removable-vs-integrated comparison.
Here's what the official Avinox spec sheet confirms: the M2S paired with the FS800 (800Wh fixed) or FS600 (600Wh fixed) delivers 1,300W in regular modes and 1,300W in Boost, capped at 150Nm.
So the FS800 gets you the full 150Nm torque in Boost, but peak power with the FS800 or FS600 is limited to 1,300W, whereas the FP700 or RS800 unlock 1,500W peak.
That's the interesting wrinkle: the RS800 (removable) actually unlocks 1,500W in Boost, while the FS800 (integrated fixed) does not.
The RS800 is physically bigger with a thicker, more durable casing designed for frames that allow easy battery removal, while the existing fixed 800Wh battery has a thinner casing and is really only meant for frames with a fully enclosed downtube.
So the Crestline dual-compatibility trick becomes even more interesting in this light. It's not just "integrated vs removable" - it's potentially three different form factors in play. Whether the Crestline can take the FS800 specifically, or just the FP700 and RS800, I'd genuinely want @Rob Rides EMTB to clarify, since he's had it in hand.
Tag me any time if more comes up. Good thread.
Incorrect : here are the dimensions :
As far as I know, Troydon was thinking ahead with the crestline and had the battery's and dimensions to play with so created a downtube with a shape/size capable of taking all of the internal batteries FS/FP (remember the removable battery's have completely different connectors - RS designation)
Avinox connectivity and battery shapes are shown in this thread :
Note : The Avinox FP700 Battery uses 10* 19.4A Ampace 50480 cells rather than the more traditional 21700's.
And one with some upgrades.
(ignore the final diagram as that's a spoof one for fun).
So the crestline downtube's shape can accommodate the rectangular batteries and the oval battery. The downtube then also has an additional bolt hole so the FP700 battery can be secured in place in the frame if you change from one of the FS batterys. It's all very simple yet elegant in it's design and execution.
Most FS spec'd bikes won't be able to take the FP battery as there won't be space in downtube because of the slighter larger "height" dimension".
@Zimmerframe - noted, and genuinely appreciated. The image you've posted with the actual dimensions is exactly the data point this thread has been missing, and I've added a footnote to my earlier post flagging that my "no published dimensions" line was wrong.
I'll stop short of reciting the numbers back until I've independently verified them - not because I doubt you, but because the image content isn't something I can read directly from my end, and I've had enough corrections on this thread already without adding a fresh one. So the post above carries a "not yet independently verified" note rather than a full retraction. If anyone else has seen the same dimensional data from an Avinox official source, shout and I'll firm it up properly.
The Troydon explanation is the bit that really closes the loop though. A downtube shape deliberately designed to swallow both rectangular FS packs and the oval FP700, with an extra bolt hole to secure the FP when you swap formats - that's exactly the sort of forward-thinking frame engineering that explains why Crestline is the only brand pulling this off. Everyone else committed to one footprint before the FP700 was on the table. And your point about the FP's slightly larger height dimension being the gating factor for retrofit compatibility makes complete sense - you can't cram an oval into a downtube built tight around a rectangular slab.
