Depends how many teeth you are prepared to loose especially if not eearing a full face helmet.
Body armour. Again!
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UA first layers are wicking
JoeBlow
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I have found the EVOC Torso Protector which seems a little better with regard to rib protection. I also like the fact that you can attach a small bum bag to the back which takes things off your waist which I also like. I've ordered both.
This morning I wore an Under Armour HG base layer vest, my Leatt Stealth and a jersey. Bearable but a little too much. I think a wicking base layer and this Evoc Torso Protector will be better in these conditions. I'll just have to get over my self consciousness about armour. You can only research so much then it becomes very tedious.
This morning I wore an Under Armour HG base layer vest, my Leatt Stealth and a jersey. Bearable but a little too much. I think a wicking base layer and this Evoc Torso Protector will be better in these conditions. I'll just have to get over my self consciousness about armour. You can only research so much then it becomes very tedious.
In these temps even my unobtrusive Evoc Race belt becomes noticeable. It looks like I'm going to end up with several different types of protection which comes as no real surprise. Different riding styles, different trail types and different weather conditions are a challenge to coming up with a single body armour solution. I very much doubt that there will ever be one. IMO the real hard core armour is really for competitions. In many years I have never had rocks and debris thrown up at me when following someone but then again I've never entered a competition so this so called "roost" gear is wasted on me. You see I've learnt something I had never heard of "roost" before I started investigating.
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Roost (short for rooster tail) comes off of the rear tire of an offroad motorcycle. Nobody on the planet has powerful enough legs to create a “roost” from a bicycle tire that would require a chest protector designed to ward off flying dirt/rocks.
My Alpinestars Class 1 jacket already is wicking. Adding a Heat Gear undershirt would probably only make me feel hotter. What value would it add? Not attacking here, just trying to understand why adding a layer is beneficial.
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JoeBlow
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1. You minimise the danger of trapping chest hair in the zip.
2. You can get away with washing it less.
3. It probably does not wick as well as a thin dedicated wicking layer.
After my run the TLD Stealth was wet, the Under Armour vest was dry so its not as straight forward as you may be thinking. If I'm honest I don't know, I'm still experimenting, you may well be right. I am conscious and wary of multiple layers when it is hot. I think my latest purchase will be a good solution. Thin wicking layer and Evoc on top.
Plummet
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For the record. I'm not trying to bag anyone out. Just trying to help people be less injured.
Too often we look for body armour to save us. And it does. But, by far the injury prevention is going to be far superior if we work break fall techniques. In particular those rib type injuries mentioned here. All the robocop in the world wont stop the body slam rib injuring or if you land like a dolphin chest first.
This guy does a good job showing the technique.
Too often we look for body armour to save us. And it does. But, by far the injury prevention is going to be far superior if we work break fall techniques. In particular those rib type injuries mentioned here. All the robocop in the world wont stop the body slam rib injuring or if you land like a dolphin chest first.
This guy does a good job showing the technique.
JoeBlow
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I'm in danger of becoming a bore but these techniques would not work in the situations I have described and are nothing at all to do with my very precise question. I want gear advice. I don't for a second think that you are thinking body armour is not required if you have these skills but you are headed that way if we follow your logic.
Plummet
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For the record heres my armour
The 661 robocop style does help when you slam on ya back. The back protector is quite good. But dang its hot in summer.
I use this one for dh racing and my silliest of missions.
And the dharco soft shell stuff for not quite as extreme riding. Its pretty stealth too if you wear a shirt over it.
It works suprisingly well for its minimalistness. But if you slam awkwardly on you ribs you will still do damage.
The 661 robocop style does help when you slam on ya back. The back protector is quite good. But dang its hot in summer.
I use this one for dh racing and my silliest of missions.
And the dharco soft shell stuff for not quite as extreme riding. Its pretty stealth too if you wear a shirt over it.
It works suprisingly well for its minimalistness. But if you slam awkwardly on you ribs you will still do damage.
Plummet
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Nope, i do not forsake the armour for break falling techniques. I'm all about injury prevention. Undertake all actions to for injury prevention. The best one is to not crash in the first place. That in its self is a whole different topic.
For the record, you are wrong regarding break falling techniques not helping in your instance. Break falling techniques can help in every instance, No matter what the instance... inless you literally fall off a cliff. For mtb crashes at mtb speeds falling sideways, backwards, forwards, over the bars, hitting trees, ladning on stuff, theres techniques that can save you more injury.
What i showed above is one type of technique. There are many more. They may not fully stop an injury occuring, but they may minimise that injury.
JoeBlow
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I know, I know which is why I am asking for advice on gear for minor tumbles at slow speed on technical terrain where there is no room to maneuver or time to react. The consequences are not serious but very inconvenient and could be easily solved with rib protection but no manufacturers seem to cater for that. Some look as though they do but when you investigate further you discover that its buckle padding rather than rib protection even though it may offer some protection. The Evoc I have ordered is the closest I've seen to what I require. The level of protection on the chest is carried on around the torso. It may not be level 2 protection but I honestly believe level 1 will be fine for the scenario I have now described many times and it seems to cover the ribs. I'll know when it arrives.
JoeBlow
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Nope, i do not forsake the armour for break falling techniques. I'm all about injury prevention. Undertake all actions to for injury prevention. The best one is to not crash in the first place. That in its self is a whole different topic.
I don't disagree with you in principle and I have watched videos but I have not yet seen one that is relevant to the situation I have described. Narrow single track, slow speed, high-ish banks either side, rocks and roots in abundance, front wheel hits something or you hesitate or change your mind and you are gone in an instant. Without fail all the ones I've seen show riders escaping from the bike in mid-air travelling at speed. But all of this is irrelevant. I did not ask for advice on how to fall off my bike, I asked for very, very specific gear advice.
Plummet
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Keep watching a looking, There are technique that are useful. I have and do crashed in every possible way and used break falling techniques in every instance. At worst they lessen the impact and reduce the injury at best there is no injury.
I get that you haven't asked and don't want advice to improve you technique. Quite frankly, I don't care. If one person reading this decides to learn better techniques and starts practicing them, then that's one person getting less injured.
JoeBlow
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Lower the dropper post? God I wish I had thought of that! Give me a break. Not sure if you realize how patronising you come across as. I'm sure your intentions are good but my post was very, very specific and I believe comprehensively described but you seem to be going out of your way to avoid answering it. I may not be a highly accomplished, hard core rider but I'm not too shabby for my age and not too proud to ask for advice. I suppose answering questions that have not been asked is a symptom of the modern age and social media.
On the contrary those that engage with suggestions have no idea of the skill sets of someone posting and offer suggestions and advice probably mostly based on their own experiences. You asked for advice on armour to protect your ribs yet reject plenty of advice about minimizing the risk in the first place given that no armour is going to provide good rib protection. It is also the case.. as was pointed out previously, that when discussions like this are launched, many forum members other than the OP gain some learning or at least start to think about the issues.
JoeBlow
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I don't want to fall out over this but you did not engage with the OP in the slightest so I think it best that we remove ourselves from this thread as it seems to have run its course. At least I now know where to come if I want advice on Ninja skills when my body armour fails me.
Wouldn't it be ironic if I did so and you took the opportunity to recommend some armour. Such is social media.
Wouldn't it be ironic if I did so and you took the opportunity to recommend some armour. Such is social media.
Does this guy have a video showing these techniques when being ejected onto boulders and baby sized rocks at 50kph rather than while sitting on large yoga mat?
Personally I've become very adept at being the "clip a pedal on a rock on a narrow highly exposed singletrack, get thrown down the steep slope, end up upside-down in the trees/rocks below, and then have the bike land on top of me" kinda guy...
. It would actually be quite funny if it didn't happen so often, and in rather remote places 
you paint a good picture - I can see the sequence perfectlyPersonally I've become very adept at being the "clip a pedal on a rock on a narrow highly exposed singletrack, get thrown down the steep slope, end up upside-down in the trees/rocks below, and then have the bike land on top of me" kinda guy...
JoeBlow
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Yes it's a
lt's well and good under those situations and probably worthwhile but impossible in the scenario I described. It's now academic I have in my possession the EVOC Torso protector and it's ideal for my requirements. as it specifically covers my ribs quite well for the sideways falls at slow speeds that I tend to experience.you paint a good picture - I can see the sequence perfectly
Highland Wheels
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Sounds like you need to stick to blue trails 
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That's where the armour comes into play....Does this guy have a video showing these techniques when being ejected onto boulders and baby sized rocks at 50kph rather than while sitting on large yoga mat?
Vision_Tim
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Seth doesn't want you to wear too much protection because you'll be judged on it
sjturner2112
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people (some people) always say this, but dude, a ton of mtb crashes are like the front wheel goes withjout warning (for whatever reason) and you are catapulted with no warning. There is no 'crashing technique' for events like this. It happens too fast, and without warning.
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right?? That video, jeese.Seth doesn't want you to wear too much protection because you'll be judged on it
Plummet
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The crashing technique that works for this is style of crash is one that is subconsious, one that is muscle memory. You cant be thinking about it, you just do it. I'm not saying you will be save yourself in every instance and be perfectly injury free. That wont happen. But you can reduce or avoid injury in a lot of instances with a good technique.
I know its hard for people who don't have the technique to understand. I just know how many rediculous crashes i have walked away from over the years. Multiple of those with wintess's gobsmacked that i got up and walked away afterward with essentially bruising. I have crashed countless times as you describe, the immediate crash, head on with a car, pedal tag and immediate off, loosing the frontwheel, nosing into the back face of big jumps and the list goes on and on and on.
I am 54 been racing and riding mtbs for 30+ years at a high level. I'm currently back into racing national level DH which is no joke. In that 30 years ive had 1 wrist injury, one rib injury and am have not had any shoulder surgeries. So I am exceptionally injury free for my age and the amount of stupid i undertake.
Anyway, all i suggest for people that are repeatidly injuring shoulders, ribs, wrists. Try and improve your technique. It might save you next time.
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