That's what they told us. The whole 750w thing did cause consternation among some of the dealers that were present who were citing the same concerns that have been apparent on here (why would you buy a 750w Wild LT off their shop floor when it was stood next to a full power Avinox bike?) The Orbea people were adamant that the full power figures were meaningless and that the RS tuned bike would ride better in real world conditions. We shall see from tomorrow onwards I guess as there should be "independent" journalist reviews available as soon as the bike has officially launched (journalists have already ridden the new bike but are embargoed from releasing their reviews until the official launch has happened).
Orbea x Avinox Rumours
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Yeah I bet it will be a good tune, but it makes no sense to make it that only. Like if you aren’t doing it to be by the book legal, then what’s the point? Just make it a map setting vs a complete restriction unless for 1 min lol. Idk super bad call by orbea imo. If they want to limit the motor to meet regulations no question then do it properly. If you just want to showcase a better mapping then just make it a setting you can click into. Could be password locked for races or something idk.
Orbea’s train set, their choice is the way I see it.
A bike that only has 20-30 mins battery at full power is a bit of a head scratcher, but like buying a Top Fuel dragster for picking up the weekly shop, fun but possibly a bit limiting and frustrating.
A bike that only has 20-30 mins battery at full power is a bit of a head scratcher, but like buying a Top Fuel dragster for picking up the weekly shop, fun but possibly a bit limiting and frustrating.
Rando_12345
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Meanwhile, I want to know will the shop route the cables through the frame for free?
I'm considering doubling down on my bosch ecosystem (range extender? fast charger + powerbank? 3rd battery for crazy big days?) or selling up and going Wild Avinox which doesn't fit any of my needs but just looks so good.
I'm considering doubling down on my bosch ecosystem (range extender? fast charger + powerbank? 3rd battery for crazy big days?) or selling up and going Wild Avinox which doesn't fit any of my needs but just looks so good.
Sounds like they just think it's 'better' like this.
I've yet to encounter a reviewer that thinks the M2s power is useful in any way after all. Everyone turns them way down. I mean you have to. Otherwise you only have 25 minutes total of battery.
I don't believe it'll be nearly that light with DH tires and the 800wh battery (and pedals). Probably closer to 24kgs.
This is the impression that I got as well. The Orbea guys genuinely seemed to think that the RS tune would be better than the stock tune. They said that (despite the drop in peak power) they've made the motor more reactive to rider input than the Avinox tune and that it would feel more potent in real world conditions. I don't think you can discount the fact that Orbea may have an eye on future restrictions but the overwhelming impression is that they've changed the map to make the bike better not worse. We shall see............
They quoted 21kgs but that'll be the top spec bike in a size small I imagine.
This is the impression that I got as well. The Orbea guys genuinely seemed to think that the RS tune would be better than the stock tune. They said that (despite the drop in peak power) they've made the motor more reactive to rider input than the Avinox tune and that it would feel more potent in real world conditions. I don't think you can discount the fact that Orbea may have an eye on future restrictions but the overwhelming impression is that they've changed the map to make the bike better not worse. We shall see............
That's Alex the Bike Tester's complaint about the Avinox in a nutshell. He shows in a recent video conclusively that the Avinox has poor response compared to the Bosch.
Interesting that so many testers seem to prefer this sensation yet Orbea seeks to change it to be more traditional.
Well I think that Alex has hinted that he thinks that most bike testers are being "influenced" by DJI to say that they prefer the Avinox and not to do a direct comparison between (for example) Bosch and Avinox motor performance and power traits. To be fair I have also read that some people think that Alex is biased against Avinox (I personally don't subscribe to that view).
xtraman122
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I agree, none of the burlier Avinox bikes (Velduro, Crestline, Teewing) with an X2/38mm fork/DH tires have managed to get below the 23kg mark. Just too much weight from the bigger suspension components to possibly get much lighter. My hope was to get under 50lbs (22.7kg) on my Flux when it finally comes but I think I’ll likely end up closer to 50.5 (23kg).
i don't think many can go 120rpm with 250W for half an hour... (and you need a steep long hill, as long as you are limited to 25kmh)
The Problem with restricted Setups: not every rider is the same and has 60kg.
if you have 100kg, you can use more then 750W for a long time
Strong/light/cheap. Avinox with 800 system weight is 6.26kg. it's about 300g lighter than the equivalent Bosch.
xtraman122
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I was just listing other long travel Avinox based bikes, not necessarily Avinox vs Bosch, but I guess with there already being a Bosch based Wild out there and knowing the difference in weight between the 2 systems that should get a close estimate as well.
Honestly, who knows? I guess most people have an agenda to some extent. I really enjoy Alex's content though, I like the way that he's doing some back to back testing with different motor systems (although there are obviously still a lot of variables when the motors are in different bikes). His thoughts about the Yamaha PWX4 are really interesting.
22.8 for Mondraker Zendit RR on the website
dadeadduck
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Can this please not become another thread derailed by opinions on/by a YouTuber.
Not a fan of that off-gold coloured Wild, the base Zendit seems to be similar. Give me purple!
Not a fan of that off-gold coloured Wild, the base Zendit seems to be similar. Give me purple!
I saw the new Wild Avinox range at my dealer, with prices ranging from €6–7k up to €13k.
The M10 version is €8.5k and comes with a Fox 38 fork and an electronic shifting
Available in both carbon and aluminum versions.
They’ll have a size M aluminum build assembled tomorrow, and I’ll ask them for the weight.
The M10 version is €8.5k and comes with a Fox 38 fork and an electronic shifting
Available in both carbon and aluminum versions.
They’ll have a size M aluminum build assembled tomorrow, and I’ll ask them for the weight.
The m10 has a Electronic shifting? I think no…
Indeed, the seller wasn't very sure because it's listed as not included, but it appears in the photos.
In a size medium, high end build, 600wh battery, no pedals, Exo+ casing with no sealant (this is how they measure bikes), that weight is possible.
They will have 180mm 38s and those forks are porky.
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I'm officially a weight weenie and did look at this before purchasing my Bosch Wild. Your number is correct.
That said my CX-R weighs 90 grams less than the CX and adding an E13 bash ring to the Avinox adds 250 grams, officially making my motor system, inconsequentially lighter, overall than the Avinox motor system.
I can state that my experience on this is completely the opposite. I have done some collabs with Avinox / Amflow, and I have never been asked to state anything around a preference. The thing that they ask, is that the features of the motors and bikes are covered and have never asked me to say anything like that I prefer Avinox over any other motor.
170/170 iirc.
Oh, that's really interesting since the rumor has always been a 170/ 180.
It sounds like the differences from the Bosch Wild and the Avinox Wild are more the details such as: the motor obviously but they will essentially perform the same as Orbea has them programmed, Orbea will be able to have an 800wh new battery technology and their skinny downtube (this will in fact save weight for big battery buyers), direct wired dropper (I absolutely love the idea of this, in the real world is it actually a quality dropper though?), hard wired SRAM drivetrains (hot take, 12 speeds are stupid on full power e-bikes), & frame cable routing (a huge one to hear the peanut gallery tell it).
I bet this bike rides exactly the same as the previous version.
With all due respect, if a colab includes no cost loaner bikes there is a very natural tendency to review the product favorably, because views of new products makes money through other avenues.
That said, Avinox makes good products and I don't think everyone is full of crap. But I do think in retrospect the M1 was overrated considering the efficiency and noise, not to mention that it was operating above class 1 levels so not really a level playing field.
the Ocquo dropper I had on my Rise M10 was ok - worked fine with a few mm of play
nowhere near as rigid as the BikeYoke that replaced it and it has considerable rub on the rear of the stanchion.
I am around 100kg though...
would be interesting to see if they have gone to 34.9 - that would help a lot I imagine
xtraman122
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That's right in line with the 23kg estimate. It's got 10mm less fork travel and doesn't have a DH casing front tire, I assume no inserts in that weight either which many of the real world numbers have included. It seems somewhere around 23kg +/- 500g is the sweet spot for these longer travel DJI based bikes. Put in the 600Wh and they'd be impressively light and still have tons of power and descending capabilities. I really wish more of the companies selling DJI bikes would give you an option between the 600/800 battery, maybe it'll be a thing if they ever come out with a smaller range extender that I expect many would want to have available before committing to the 600Wh main battery.
James_MTB
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The spec I was shown said 31.6mm. We'll find out tomorrow.
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