Orbea x Avinox Rumours

[Jabba81]

For Gods sake, could you please stop the whole power/restricting discussion?!

Let’s just wait some more days and we’ll know for sure if Orbea goes down that road or not

This is the only open question, the rest like prices, spec, stock colors etc. we already saw with the leaked pictures.

The power is the only real open question; Will they be stupid enough to limit it or do they give the freedom to their costumers to use what they want...

 

[FJ836]

This is the only open question, the rest like prices, spec, stock colors etc. we already saw with the leaked pictures.

The power is the only real open question; Will they be stupid enough to limit it or do they give the freedom to their costumers to use what they want...

Yeah but it seems there won‘t be a final answer until the bike is released.

One says he heard about a power limit, the other says the opposite … over and over again. And every time it triggers the whole limitation good or bad discussion again. Its getting boring and anyoing.

 

[Jurassic]

The power figures are pretty meaningless in the real world anyway. The stock Avinox system achieves it's peaks at unrealistically high cadences (100rpm). The Orbea RS tune will look less on paper but will be more useable in the real world. Nobody can maintain 100rpm cadence on a technical climb (probably not even on a bumpy forest road), most mountain bikers spin well below the 90rpm that roadies strive to achieve. Also (in Europe at least) the 750w compulsory ceiling is coming, it's just a matter of time until it arrives.
I'd say that Orbea have gone for the M2S for its size and packaging potential as much as for it's power potential, just comparing the silhouette of the new bike against the Bosch powered version shows how much sleeker the new one is (it's honestly stunning in the flesh, the pictures don't do it justice).

 

[Jabba81]

The power figures are pretty meaningless in the real world anyway. The stock Avinox system achieves it's peaks at unrealistically high cadences (100rpm). The Orbea RS tune will look less on paper but will be more useable in the real world. Nobody can maintain 100rpm cadence on a technical climb (probably not even on a bumpy forest road), most mountain bikers spin well below the 90rpm that roadies strive to achieve. Also (in Europe at least) the 750w compulsory ceiling is coming, it's just a matter of time until it arrives.
I'd say that Orbea have gone for the M2S for its size and packaging potential as much as for it's power potential, just comparing the silhouette of the new bike against the Bosch powered version shows how much sleeker the new one is (it's honestly stunning in the flesh, the pictures don't do it justice).

So what would be the difference on power on a extremely steep uphill. I have the Bosch CX4 and in Turbo I was not able to pedal up that hill. Because lack of cadence. It is so steep that the cadence was way below 50 and dropped to 0 because Bosch didn't had the power to help me. Will the cut of Avinox with 750 W be better in such scenarios? I guess it's about 40 - 45% steep...

 

[killerade]

This is the only open question, the rest like prices, spec, stock colors etc. we already saw with the leaked pictures.

The power is the only real open question; Will they be stupid enough to limit it or do they give the freedom to their costumers to use what they want...

"Freedom to their customers" might be the best way to describe it. I've checked again and received the same answer - no 750watt cap.

I wouldn't have ordered the new Wild if it were capped at 750W. I already own the Bosch version with those numbers, so there would be little reason for me to upgrade.

 

[Celada13]

Confirmed once again by my local bike shop through Orbea, the motor is limited to 750W. I don't know if this will be the case in all markets, but I understand it will be. Abandon your optimism and start accepting that the motor is limited to 750W.

As for the options (for a mteam bike), they are few: podium fork, different tires, fast charger, carbon wheels, and handlebar and seatpost options. There is no possibility of modifying the groupset or brakes.

June 18th, official launch.

 

[Jabba81]

I don’t think, I'll go for a Podium, because I have to dismount the front wheel often. I have the feeling that the brake caliper needs to be adjusted everytime when the front wheel is removed, right?

 

[killerade]

From what I've been told it's 750W by default with the option to unlock the full power.

 

[DylanJM]

There has to be something behind this if this is what they are doing. There must be some wind of regulation changes in some markets and they are getting ahead of it. I also wonder if this is why so many brands rushed to release bikes in April so they could make hay while the sun was shining.

 

[Roughshod]

I hope it's named the Wild Groundhog!

 

[killerade]

There has to be something behind this if this is what they are doing. There must be some wind of regulation changes in some markets and they are getting ahead of it. I also wonder if this is why so many brands rushed to release bikes in April so they could make hay while the sun was shining.

Maybe the reason has nothing to do with regulations. They still have Bosch-powered Wilds sitting in the lineup. If they started shouting about 1000W+ and full-power Avinox figures, the Bosch version would suddenly become a much harder sell.

 

[404]

I don’t think, I'll go for a Podium, because I have to dismount the front wheel often. I have the feeling that the brake caliper needs to be adjusted everytime when the front wheel is removed, right?

no the brake is not the problem. you never have to touch it.
i have an intend USD fork and often dismount the frontwheel. The thing i hate is getting the wheel back in.
the tubes are not connected so if you put the wheel and axle in the other side will turn away.
also there is no positive fit for the hub.
turning the bike on the saddle and bar will make it much more easy.

so you don't have to adjust anything, but changing the wheel is a pain on USD forks.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Maybe the reason has nothing to do with regulations. They still have Bosch-powered Wilds sitting in the lineup. If they started shouting about 1000W+ and full-power Avinox figures, the considerBosch version would suddenly become a much harder sell.

If next week comes, and the Wild is locked down at 750 as rumored, consider hurrying up and buying a competitor Avinox bike with 1300-1500 w ASAP before they go away because they might no longer be available in the future.

 

[Jabba81]

I accidentaly just sold my 2023 Wild
Would be a kick in the ass if the Avinox Wild comes performance reduced...

 

[Singletrackmind]

I have zero idea if this is true or not. It's going to be an interesting space to watch.

However, I do personally think it would be the right thing to do moving forward with the notion to protect e-bikes right to ride on bicycle trails. It would make the OG Avinox motors more valuable if they were the only ones that could churn out the extra power.

The other point would be, I don't think the Avinox would be the worldwide sensation it's been, if it didn't offer Class 2+ power levels. How many would have still chosen the Avinox over the Bosch, if both were capped at the same power?

I'm still quite glad I did not wait for the Avinox Wild as it sounds like it's more centered around being a Super-Enduro bike where-as my terrain is more AM.

Still, excited as Hell to see this thing and read the lucky owners' reviews around here!

I'm waiting too see how the new Wild is spec'd as well. I essentially "traded" my 2025 Bosch Gen 5 Race powered emtb for the Avinox M2S powered Mondraker Zendit. The more I ride the Zendit, the more I like it. If the new Wild is more Super-Enduro oriented, don't think it would make sense for me. Like you, excited to hear how it performs. I do like the Myo custom color options.

 

[Singletrackmind]

If my information is correct there won't be a 750W limit or at least it will be optional and left up to the rider.

From what I understand from a very knowledgeable source, it will be shipped with a 750W setting by default and riders can change it after purchase. That's not to say a future software update won't implement a 750W limit.

 

[Suns_PSD]

From what I understand from a very knowledgeable source, it will be shipped with a 750W setting by default and riders can change it after purchase. That's not to say a future software update won't implement a 750W limit.

That could be a really smart way to protect Orbea from liability. They sold you a Class 1.
You sign or click something that you are engaging Class 2+, likely with some sort of consumer warning, and off to the races you go.

 

[Brawwp]

That could be a really smart way to protect Orbea from liability. They sold you a Class 1.
You sign or click something that you are engaging Class 2+, likely with some sort of consumer warning, and off to the races you go.

That’s how it’s already sold. Class 1

 

[Adyzakydany]

erm the RS tune will be 750w. You can turn it off and revert to Avinox for full power, you heard it here first...

 

[DToX]

erm the RS tune will be 750w. You can turn it off and revert to Avinox for full power, you heard it here first...

Isn't this the same thing Forbidden did with the Edruid CorE? They had it the power limited set as default but the end user could just adjust it to whatever they wanted. Or maybe I am misremembering.

 

[Powerslider]

There has to be something behind this if this is what they are doing. There must be some wind of regulation changes in some markets and they are getting ahead of it. I also wonder if this is why so many brands rushed to release bikes in April so they could make hay while the sun was shining.

Prematurely limiting power on the Avinox won’t help Orbea sell Wilds. That’s still Orbea’s goal right?

 

[KleineAnfange]

Prematurely limiting power on the Avinox won’t help Orbea sell Wilds. That’s still Orbea’s goal right?

Watching the Loam Wolf 2026 Shootout and Drew just said everyone detunes the Avinox and suggests it should be shipped in that mode. Not saying it’s right, but the comment was about how much power is actually usable on single track. Edit to note that 3 of the 3 testers asked which motor they’d choose all said avinox.

 

[Powerslider]

Watching the Loam Wolf 2026 Shootout and Drew just said everyone detunes the Avinox and suggests it should be shipped in that mode. Not saying it’s right, but the comment was about how much power is actually usable on single track. Edit to note that 3 of the 3 testers asked which motor they’d choose all said avinox.

I’d choose Avinox too. I’m closely considering an Avinox Wild, but must admit that even the talk about Orbea spearheading efforts to limit performance brings me pause.

Don’t give two shits about how others tune their motor just like I don’t care how others tune their suspension. Still don’t want bikes limited to 150mm rear travel just because most people ride them.

 

[Singletrackmind]

Watching the Loam Wolf 2026 Shootout and Drew just said everyone detunes the Avinox and suggests it should be shipped in that mode. Not saying it’s right, but the comment was about how much power is actually usable on single track. Edit to note that 3 of the 3 testers asked which motor they’d choose all said avinox.

You make a good point about having proper power settings for singletracks.

On my initial ride setting up the suspension on my Zendit, I just about launched over the edge on a twisting singletrack!

With the ability to create custom ride modes, not sure of the value in shipping bikes with power restrictions right out of the gate?

Why not just let each rider choose their own power setttings?

Having ridden 3 versions of the Shimano EP8 motors, 2 versions of the Brose, Bosch Gen 4 & 5 and the Avinox M2S, I would definitely choose the Avinox.

I modified the Trail & Boost settings on my Zendit and created a custom "Rage" mode for technical climbing. Only tried Turbo a couple times on steep fire roads. Took advantage of the 28mph option once on a long access road to get back to my car at the end of the ride and thought that was pretty cool.

One thing that has been noted by others, if you are riding an Avinox motor and your riding buddies aren't, you'll have to adapt your style or do a lot of waiting.

 

[Singletrackmind]

I’d choose Avinox too. I’m closely considering an Avinox Wild, but must admit that even the talk about Orbea spearheading efforts to limit performance brings me pause.

Don’t give two shits about how others tune their motor just like I don’t care how others tune their suspension. Still don’t want bikes limited to 150mm rear travel just because most people ride them.

Well stated! Great job of putting things into perspective

 

[Jurassic]

I’d choose Avinox too. I’m closely considering an Avinox Wild, but must admit that even the talk about Orbea spearheading efforts to limit performance brings me pause.

Don’t give two shits about how others tune their motor just like I don’t care how others tune their suspension. Still don’t want bikes limited to 150mm rear travel just because most people ride them.

I think you guys are missing the point to some extent and falling into the power figures propaganda trap. Orbea haven't tried to limit the performance on the Avinox motor, the easy thing for them to do would have been to just slap the standard Avinox motor in and call it good but they've tried to improve the usable power of the motor with the RS software. From what I've heard through the trade the RS Avinox rides better in the real world than the standard DJI tune does. I've not ridden it yet but maybe wait and see what all the journos (who have already ridden the new bike) say about it before condemning Orbea based on paper specs.

 

[Brawwp]

Watching the Loam Wolf 2026 Shootout and Drew just said everyone detunes the Avinox and suggests it should be shipped in that mode. Not saying it’s right, but the comment was about how much power is actually usable on single track. Edit to note that 3 of the 3 testers asked which motor they’d choose all said avinox.

One of the guys at least in one of those videos said he prefers turbo mode always and loves the power. Cannot remember which video but it was the younger looking tester. So to each their own right. I personally dont use turbo much at all on mine. I’m auto almost always and it just feels perfect to me, very natural and makes climbing funner. But I do love having the option and hit it occasionally at the end of the ride when idc about range anymore.

 

[michel uit berg]

 

[Tokidokijake]

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Oh god. That purple is sickkkkkk

 

[nickf]

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Paintwork scratched while wrapped and still in its box! Not very good QC?