Orbea x Avinox Rumours

My LBS has posted the following advert for the new M10 ....

Coming soon the all new Orbea WILD M10 £7479.00.

Frameset
Fork
Fox 38 Float Factory 170, Grip X2, 15x110, Kashima

Frame
Orbea Wild OMR 2027, 29" wheels, Concentric Boost 12x148

Shock
Fox Float X2 Factory Trunnion 2-Pos Adjust Kashima custom tune 205x65mm

Headset
Acros ZS56

Ebike
Motor
DJI Avinox M2S

Battery
DJI Avinox 800Wh

Display
DJI Avinox DP100

Charger
DJI Avinox Charger 4A

Remote
Orbea System Controller Remote

Drivetrain
Crank
e*thirteen Helix Race e*spec Direct Mount 34T 55mm ChainLine

Shifters
Shimano XT M8200 I-Spec EV

Cassette
Shimano CS-M7200 10-51t 12-Speed

Rear derailleur
Shimano XT M8200 SGS Shadow Plus

Chain
Shimano M6100

Chainguide
Orbea eBike chainguide

Cockpit
Handlebar
OC Mountain Control MC21 Alu SL, Rise 35, Width 800

Stem
OC Mountain Control MC21, 0º

Computer Mount
OC Computer Mount CM-05, Garmin/Sigma

Brakes
Brakes
Shimano XT 8220 Hydraulic Disc

Rotors
Galfer Wave Rotors 200mm front / 200mm rear

Brakes Configuration
N/A

Wheels
Wheels
DT Swiss H 1900 Spline 30c

Tyres
Maxxis Assegai 2.50" 60TPI Fold 3C MaxxGrip Exo+ TR

Tyres
Maxxis Minion 2.40" 120x2TPI Fold 3C MaxxTerra DD TR

Components
Saddle
Fizik Aidon 208x145mm manganese rail

Seatpost
OC Mountain Control MC22, 31.6mm, Dropper

Seatpost Lever
Shimano SL-MT500 I-Spec EV

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So no XT DI2?
 
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the specs for M-team and M-ltd would be great :-)
and geometry specs. especially the length of the steer tube in xl.

i have a doublecrown fork in my old wild fs, and in XL the Steertube is 135mm. if it is longer i need a new fork. (ok maybe i will buy a new fork anyways.) but it would be great if it fits
 
No, Shimano Di2 shifters are not yet compatible with Avinox,
that...

@Jabba81 the DI2 is on the same noise level as the normal shimano. i hat the old XTR for years and now the DI2 XTR.
Works great on the wild. shiftig is realy good and fast. chain wear is a Problem. but it's the same with others.

The Chain tension could be higher. and yes the shimano is much louder than the transmission.

As far as i have have seen on the pictures the M-team (GX) and M-ltd (XO/XX) have a Transmission System.

If i could decide - i wouldn't know what to pick.
- Sram: quiet, less wear, smooth
- Shimano: much better Shifter, cheaper chain and cassette. - so cheaper in use.
 
No, Shimano Di2 shifters are not yet compatible with Avinox, so with Shimano, the only option is traditional cable shifting. If you want electronic shifting with Avinox, you absolutely need SRAM AXS.
I mean you could just run the new DI2 on it's own batteries as on a normal bike.
 
that...

@Jabba81 the DI2 is on the same noise level as the normal shimano. i hat the old XTR for years and now the DI2 XTR.
Works great on the wild. shiftig is realy good and fast. chain wear is a Problem. but it's the same with others.

The Chain tension could be higher. and yes the shimano is much louder than the transmission.

As far as i have have seen on the pictures the M-team (GX) and M-ltd (XO/XX) have a Transmission System.

If i could decide - i wouldn't know what to pick.
- Sram: quiet, less wear, smooth
- Shimano: much better Shifter, cheaper chain and cassette. - so cheaper in use.
OK, thanks for your input. I still want mechanical. It's an enduro and things will break, especially derailleurs. Broke about 3 in the last 2 years, and then a mechanical XT is cheap and works perfect for me...
 
the new di2 and sram will move out of the way if you hit it.
having both - i would say the DI2 is much more durable than the old one.
i will not go back fore sure.
the shifter on the DI2 ist perfect. easy install and setup. And my worries about battery were unfounded. the battery is good for many day long rides.
only downside is, that there is no UDH mounting like sram. that would be nice.

what i really want to test is the autoshift. And as far as i know this works only with sram on avinox motors. ?!
shiftig down while braking often would be great.
 
Also the big 68mm crown. Why… Look Not good!
Not sure how you can determine that from that pic. Most manufactures have moved away from the the 68mm crowns in the last couple of years. I don't think Orbea ever used them so not sure why they would start now.
 
That's what I have heard too. Next Rise, will carry the new Shimano motor (probably by the end of the year).

And regarding to the main thread....

Today I have had the privilege to see the new Wild in life.... What a f***ing beauty of an E-bike!!!

It was full kashima (38 & X2, non electronic susp) with the RS shifter for the post. I lift it by my hands and can say that at least, weights a couple or more kilos less than my actual 2023 M20 (24'4kg), although I don't know if it had the 600Wh or 800Wh battery inside.
Edit: will not say colour nor size to keep it safe.
Did you also get some proper info on the geometry by any chance? The geo table my dealer showed me online was quite off (BB like >360, no changes in numbers between Low/High setting)
 
Low/High setting
oh i just saw this because you said something. Is this just for 27,5/29 ?
din't know there is a flipchip.

normaly i don't like to many parts and flipchips. but this could be nice.
 
Did you also get some proper info on the geometry by any chance? The geo table my dealer showed me online was quite off (BB like >360, no changes in numbers between Low/High setting)

Look at the Numbers of the Rallon or Rallon RS, they should be really close (enough) to get a first impression.
 
oh i just saw this because you said something. Is this just for 27,5/29 ?
din't know there is a flipchip.

normaly i don't like to many parts and flipchips. but this could be nice.
To my understanding you have to choose between mullet or full 29 when ordering. Flip chip on both versions for geo adjustments, not for switching between 27.5/29.
 
To my understanding you have to choose between mullet or full 29 when ordering. Flip chip on both versions for geo adjustments, not for switching between 27.5/29.

When its like the Rallon RS then this is the Way ... Choose between Full 29/Mullet (maybe they will offer the separate Links for switching like with the Rallon RS) and you have a Flipchip for High/Low Geo and an Angle Headset of -0,75°/0°/+0,75° .

I hope they'll offer the Float X and the 36 as an Option, then I can tune it down to 15(6)0/160mm and with Mullet/High Geo/0° Headset it could get a nice Allmountain Version .... with the possiblity to throw in my Vorsprung Telum and EXT Era from my Rallon to transform it into a absolute Downhill Beast.
 
the specs for M-team and M-ltd would be great :-)
and geometry specs. especially the length of the steer tube in xl.

i have a doublecrown fork in my old wild fs, and in XL the Steertube is 135mm. if it is longer i need a new fork. (ok maybe i will buy a new fork anyways.) but it would be great if it fits
XL is 140mm
 
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When its like the Rallon RS then this is the Way ... Choose between Full 29/Mullet (maybe they will offer the separate Links for switching like with the Rallon RS) and you have a Flipchip for High/Low Geo and an Angle Headset of -0,75°/0°/+0,75° .

I hope they'll offer the Float X and the 36 as an Option, then I can tune it down to 15(6)0/160mm and with Mullet/High Geo/0° Headset it could get a nice Allmountain Version .... with the possiblity to throw in my Vorsprung Telum and EXT Era from my Rallon to transform it into a absolute Downhill Beast.
On the M20 I'm thinking of ordering, the fork options are Podium 170 or 38 180mm. Didn't see the 36.

Does anyone have a clear answer about removing the tune? Apparently, the press wasn't informed about the tune until the second day, and they hadn't noticed. This seems like marketing BS to me, as we discussed it earlier.
 
Regarding the possible power limit on the orbea, my take:
750 watts is the maximum power allowed in e-enduro races. That may be one of the reasons why some brands will choose to limit their motor output, allowing them to market the same bike to both regular riders and racers, even at the national level.

By the way, I think this 750 watts limit should become the benchmark for maximum power on e-MTBs. It would make things much easier and put an end to all these endless discussions about power figures. The best riders in the world aren't complaining that 750 watts isn't enough. At the end of the day, an e-MTB is still a mountain bike, and the biggest difference will always come from the rider's skills, not from the motor.
 
On the M20 I'm thinking of ordering, the fork options are Podium 170 or 38 180mm. Didn't see the 36.

Does anyone have a clear answer about removing the tune? Apparently, the press wasn't informed about the tune until the second day, and they hadn't noticed. This seems like marketing BS to me, as we discussed it earlier.
Is confirmed the podium as an option for configure? 🤔😏
 
Regarding the possible power limit on the orbea, my take:
750 watts is the maximum power allowed in e-enduro races. That may be one of the reasons why some brands will choose to limit their motor output, allowing them to market the same bike to both regular riders and racers, even at the national level.

By the way, I think this 750 watts limit should become the benchmark for maximum power on e-MTBs. It would make things much easier and put an end to all these endless discussions about power figures. The best riders in the world aren't complaining that 750 watts isn't enough. At the end of the day, an e-MTB is still a mountain bike, and the biggest difference will always come from the rider's skills, not from the motor.
The market for emtb racing bikes is nowhere near big enough to spec a 750w capped motor on all builds. If racers want the bike then it should be an option NOT the default.
 
The market for emtb racing bikes is nowhere near big enough to spec a 750w capped motor on all builds. If racers want the bike then it should be an option NOT the default.
I'm not sure if it will be for that reason
Orbea's existing Rider Synergy RS 'Tune' is just them trimming the levels to suit the battery and their thinking on how they want the bike to perform (and of course achieving a reasonable range)...
 
I'm not sure if it will be for that reason
Orbea's existing Rider Synergy RS 'Tune' is just them trimming the levels to suit the battery and their thinking on how they want the bike to perform (and of course achieving a reasonable range)...
And all other brands allow you to tune your own preferences in the Avinox app...
 
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