Orbea x Avinox Rumours

[Jabba81]

It looks like Bosch’s lobbying has really paid off: all major MTB brands using the DJI Avinox motor are now forced to cap it at 750W. This means the new Orbea Wild will likely launch with this restriction, and there’s probably no easy way around it. I highly doubt we'll be able to run the original, unthrottled Avinox software on the Wild.

 

[Geas]

Does anyone have proper geometry data? The geo table currently available to dealers in the ORBEA system seems to contain some wrong numbers.

 

[sethimus]

It looks like Bosch’s lobbying has really paid off: all major MTB brands using the DJI Avinox motor are now forced to cap it at 750W. This means the new Orbea Wild will likely launch with this restriction, and there’s probably no easy way around it. I highly doubt we'll be able to run the original, unthrottled Avinox software on the Wild.

you high?

 

[Jabba81]

you high?

I wish...

 

[DylanJM]

It looks like Bosch’s lobbying has really paid off: all major MTB brands using the DJI Avinox motor are now forced to cap it at 750W. This means the new Orbea Wild will likely launch with this restriction, and there’s probably no easy way around it. I highly doubt we'll be able to run the original, unthrottled Avinox software on the Wild.

Where are you hearing this?

 

[Jabba81]

Where are you hearing this?

LBS

 

[killerade]

LBS

Misinformation

 

[DylanJM]

LBS

Are they a Bosch dealer by any chance?

 

[Jabba81]

Misinformation

I hope so.. but I doubt it!

Are they a Bosch dealer by any chance?

No

 

[Rando_12345]

My general rule of thumb is that if you follow a few threads on this forum, then you are more informed than most staff in your LBS.

 

[wik]

I don’t want to spread half-truths. But we have to keep in mind that the new WILD is supposed to be available with both - Avinox and Bosch motors.
I would argue that if the Avinox has 1300 W (because of the battery) and the Bosch has 750 W, it will significantly reduce sales of the Bosch version, making it more of a product for Bosch fans.
If the Avinox also has “only” 750 W, as has already been suggested here, some people will refrain from buying it.
It would also be somewhat unfair if another European manufacturer like Monraker with the Zendit or YT with Decoy offered the full-power Avinox version while Orbea had “only” 750 W.
Besides, there is an official Avinox Race750 motor for UCI Regulations with 750W.

DriveUnit M2S Race for UCI

DriveUnit M2S Race for UCI

www.avinox-ebike.com

However, my LBS explicitly listed the M2S ( with Orbeas RS-Tune ) in the description, not the M2S750Race motor.

We’ll just have to wait a little longer—until either @Rob Rides EMTB is allowed to say something, or the official info from Orbea comes out, which should be on the 18th, or at the latest at Eurobike end of June

 

[FJ836]

I don’t want to spread half-truths. But we have to keep in mind that the new WILD is supposed to be available with both - Avinox and Bosch motors.

But the Avinox equipped bike will be the "Rallon" Frame Version with 180/170mm and the new Frame design, while the Bosch equipped one will be the Trail Version with 150/150mm and the actual Wild Frame design.

 

[skizzian]

But the Avinox equipped bike will be the "Rallon" Frame Version with 180/170mm and the new Frame design, while the Bosch equipped one will be the Trail Version with 150/150mm and the actual Wild Frame design.

that is quite some jump in power on the Rallon! it makes sense what you're saying though

 

[wik]

But the Avinox equipped bike will be the "Rallon" Frame Version with 180/170mm and the new Frame design, while the Bosch equipped one will be the Trail Version with 150/150mm and the actual Wild Frame design.

That's a good point; I hope you're right about that

 

[FJ836]

That's a good point; I hope you're right about that

Thats the info I got

 

[James_MTB]

@Rob Rides EMTB If it were your own money, would the Orbea RS-Tune stop you from buying one?

 

[Suns_PSD]

It looks like Bosch’s lobbying has really paid off: all major MTB brands using the DJI Avinox motor are now forced to cap it at 750W. This means the new Orbea Wild will likely launch with this restriction, and there’s probably no easy way around it. I highly doubt we'll be able to run the original, unthrottled Avinox software on the Wild.

I have zero idea if this is true or not. It's going to be an interesting space to watch.

However, I do personally think it would be the right thing to do moving forward with the notion to protect e-bikes right to ride on bicycle trails. It would make the OG Avinox motors more valuable if they were the only ones that could churn out the extra power.

The other point would be, I don't think the Avinox would be the worldwide sensation it's been, if it didn't offer Class 2+ power levels. How many would have still chosen the Avinox over the Bosch, if both were capped at the same power?

I'm still quite glad I did not wait for the Avinox Wild as it sounds like it's more centered around being a Super-Enduro bike where-as my terrain is more AM.

Still, excited as Hell to see this thing and read the lucky owners' reviews around here!

 

[killerade]

What I don't understand is the obsession and constant concern about regulations in the e-MTB world.

Very similar if not identical rules apply to e-scooters. Most of them are unlocked, quite a few can exceed 100 km/h yet you don't see the same level of panic, fear of bans or endless discussions about regulations.

I genuinely don't understand this fixation on rules and laws. It's almost as if some people live their lives strictly by the letter of the law at all times. In reality, people have always modified vehicles, whether it's motorcycles, cars, scooters or bikes and somehow the world keeps turning.

 

[skizzian]

Very similar if not identical rules apply to e-scooters. Most of them are unlocked, quite a few can exceed 100 km/h yet you don't see the same level of panic, fear of bans or endless discussions about regulations.

we see a LOT in the UK press
pretty sure most cities are the same
here's an article about NYC "Our streets have not kept up with the rise of motorized e-vehicles": Cyclist and electric scooter rider both die following head-on collision on New York bridge | electric bike reviews, buying advice and news - ebiketips

anyway let's try to not kill yet another thread with regulation talk...

 

[Suns_PSD]

What I don't understand is the obsession and constant concern about regulations in the e-MTB world.

Very similar if not identical rules apply to e-scooters. Most of them are unlocked, quite a few can exceed 100 km/h yet you don't see the same level of panic, fear of bans or endless discussions about regulations.

I genuinely don't understand this fixation on rules and laws. It's almost as if some people live their lives strictly by the letter of the law at all times. In reality, people have always modified vehicles, whether it's motorcycles, cars, scooters or bikes and somehow the world keeps turning.

For sure a small percent of the population will modify, bend the rules, etc. I'm guilty of this myself.

But manufacturers should not be selling things that are illegal from the get go.

 

[killerade]

Funny. In that case, we should also limit the power and top speed of all cars and motorcycles. Just look at how many accidents happen every single day.

 

[skizzian]

Funny. In that case, we should also limit the power and top speed of all cars and motorcycles. Just look at how many accidents happen every single day.

it's not about limiting it's about categorizing.

 

[Lumassa]

What I don't understand is the obsession and constant concern about regulations in the e-MTB world.

Very similar if not identical rules apply to e-scooters. Most of them are unlocked, quite a few can exceed 100 km/h yet you don't see the same level of panic, fear of bans or endless discussions about regulations.

I genuinely don't understand this fixation on rules and laws. It's almost as if some people live their lives strictly by the letter of the law at all times. In reality, people have always modified vehicles, whether it's motorcycles, cars, scooters or bikes and somehow the world keeps turning.

People have always modified vehicles for which they already pay insurance and probably even have license plates.
Things we try to avoid on mountain bikes. How many would spend a lot of money on an eMTB with mandatory license plates and insurance? And maybe a ban on using certain trails.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Funny. In that case, we should also limit the power and top speed of all cars and motorcycles. Just look at how many accidents happen every single day.

So, then you think that your e-bike should require: a license, minimum age, driver training, registration, annual inspection, DOT tires, insurance, points on your license for misuse, law enforcement, etc. then? You know, like a car does.

Do you see what a dumb comparison this is that you have made here?

 

[killerade]

So, then you think that your e-bike should require: a license, minimum age, driver training, registration, annual inspection, DOT tires, insurance, points on your license for misuse, law enforcement, etc. then? You know, like a car does.

Do you see what a dumb comparison this is that you have made here?

What I find funny is all the fuss around e-bikes, while there are probably ten times as many e-scooters on the road that massively exceed the legal speed limits, yet nobody seems to be talking about banning their sale or anything similar. At least that's how it is where I live.

 

[Suns_PSD]

What I find funny is all the fuss around e-bikes, while there are probably ten times as many e-scooters on the road that massively exceed the legal speed limits, yet nobody seems to be talking about banning their sale or anything similar. At least that's how it is where I live.

Whataboutism?

 

[Celada13]

At least in Spain, since 2026 electric scooters and their use have been regulated by the DGT (Spanish Directorate General of Traffic). They are required to have liability insurance, lights, power and speed limits, and other regulations.

I wouldn't be surprised to see these stupid regulations applied to e-bikes in Spain as well. I hope not, because they are still "vehicles" that don't move on their own if you don't pedal; they're not like electric scooters or electric motorcycles that have an accelerator.

 

[Suns_PSD]

BTW, Killerade, there will still be work arounds for those that don't feel like assisted biking is enough for them.

There will be cheater codes online, there will be Bafang bikes, etc.

Heck right now there is a used 3000w pedal full suspension e-bike for sale on my local Marketplace.

Point is, you'll still be able to play.

 

[George_KSL]

E-Scooters are massive point of contention almost everywhere, biggest EU cities like Paris, Madrid or Prague have fully banned rentals already. Almost universally hated by everyone as well by now.
Private ownership isn't currently more regulated because they're legal to ride on roads anyway, which no one does. Further angering everyone.

I absolutely do not want to end up being viewed down on as e-scooter twats. It's one step from being banned from trails. And given how few trails there are compared to public roads and sidewalks, it will take far less twats to make that ban happen.

 

[Vision_Tim]

I think quite a few members here would welcome licensing and registrations as it would help gatekeep trails, and from posting history it seems that several would love that.