Orbea x Avinox Rumours

[Roaming50]

The negative press is going to be crazy if Orbea is stupid enough to come to market with a neutered Avinox motor. I know I wouldn't buy an Orbea on principle. That crap better not come here where POTUS just opened the door to LESS regulation for off road vehicles! There's no sign of eMTB trail access being threatened because of power (or speed) in the US. Quite the opposite in fact.

Possibly the most idiotic part is that software can be updated when the alleged unelected bureaucrat oppression takes place. Guess they know users will do their best to avoid it. THAT is what would be so offensive to me. Concentrate on selling bikes, and leave the legislation to groups with that as their core mission.

Let's hope this is fake news.

POTUS does not give a sh*t about your recreational burden.

"The vague and subjective standards imposed by these prior Executive Orders have created unnecessary barriers to recreation, energy and timber production, access to remote areas, and infrastructure maintenance."

This is the only thing that matters to them.

As you are so "max-power, turbo only, ride anything" type of person why don't you just buy a motorbike then and ride the OHV trails. Really, 750w is plenty for an electric assist MTB. Having more invites reckless riding and trail conflict on narrow single-track. Heck it's worse than a motorbike on a trail. At least you can hear those coming.

 

[Celada13]

Today I asked my local dealer if they could give me any information about this supposed power limitation. I hope they can get back to me with some news tomorrow.

Honestly, it's not something that worries me. I'm coming from a super-enduro bike with 180/170mm of travel that wasn't exactly great to ride.

My first experience with an e-bike has been with my dad's Orbea Rise H15. I've ridden it four times, only using ECO mode, which is set to 32Nm of torque and around 250W of power, and that seems more than enough to me.

So, whether it's limited or not, that Avinox M2S on my Wild M-Team RS is going to far exceed my expectations. Everyone who has tried an Orbea RS motor is very happy with the power delivery and performance, so there's a lot of confidence in the product, and if you add to that a top-notch design, geometry, and components, it can't go wrong!

I can't wait for August to arrive so I can finally get my hands on my new ride!

 

[Bikerson]

From a german forum....

I have been kindly asked to remove the photos..... Sorry about that

 

[Powerslider]

….why don't you just buy a motorbike then and ride the OHV trails. Really, 750w is plenty for an electric assist MTB. Having more invites reckless riding and trail conflict on narrow single-track.

If you really believe that more than 750W magically results reckless riding and trail conflict; stand by those words instead of saying it’s “invited.” Show us the evidence. Until there’s substantial empirical evidence of such a problem; it’s all just unsubstantiated worrying to me.

 

[AirKuhl]

I'd be curious where your line in the sand is?

A throttle.

There is no "magic" number wrt power. That's how bureaucrats think.

 

[Rando_12345]

Damn that is a good looking frame. Hate that the m20 is mixing a fox shock with a Zeb...

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a small discount on new avinox powered bikes? Hard to tell what the market is like considering most shops are probably still overstocked with Bosch bikes.

 

[Powerslider]

Damn that is a good looking frame. Hate that the m20 is mixing a fox shock with a Zeb...

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a small discount on new avinox powered bikes? Hard to tell what the market is like considering most shops are probably still overstocked with Bosch bikes.

I'm a career salesperson; and my advice to everyone seeking a discount anywhere, is to have an answer to why someone should discount the item/service. When you have a good enough answer to this "why" question, you'll win a discount.

 

[ShapeThings]

Shame whoever captured those screen grabs didn't grab the power output details just to chill this thread out.

 

[Yotaismygame]

I'm a career salesperson; and my advice to everyone seeking a discount anywhere, is to have an answer to why someone should discount the item/service. When you have a good enough answer to this "why" question, you'll win a discount.

easy...I build the trails your customers use your bikes on....for free!

 

[Celada13]

Damn that is a good looking frame. Hate that the m20 is mixing a fox shock with a Zeb...

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a small discount on new avinox powered bikes? Hard to tell what the market is like considering most shops are probably still overstocked with Bosch bikes.

In Spain, distributors are generally offering a maximum discount of 10% on new bikes with Avinox, whether they are Orbea, Megamo, BH, Mondraker...

But you have to know how to find a good distributor, a small shop that's interested in getting customers, and you'll easily get more than that 10%

 

[Powerslider]

easy...I build the trails your customers use your bikes on....for free!

I can see myself extending a discount to someone who was really tied into the community and regularly volunteering for trail building.

That's my point... Don't just say "can you do any better." Provide a reason why the salesperson/vendor should provide a discount. You'll usually win one if the reason is good enough.

 

[Rando_12345]

The local Orbea shop near me is a fairly big outdoor shop, they currently have a few Bosch wilds at -30% and Rises down 40%... So it's hard to think the Avinox wild will stay at MSRP, also feels a bit dumb putting down full price now when the bikes will probably be delivered after the summer riding season anyway.

 

[Powerslider]

The local Orbea shop near me is a fairly big outdoor shop, they currently have a few Bosch wilds at -30% and Rises down 40%... So it's hard to think the Avinox wild will stay at MSRP, also feels a bit dumb putting down full price now when the bikes will probably be delivered after the summer riding season anyway.

Even after the summer riding season, demand might be so strong that your LBS could move all their bikes at MSRP. Then again, maybe they'll need to discount to sell through. It's really only about supply and demand.

 

[404]

-750W = -40%
m-team to m-ltd i only see better sram parts an Mullet. still no carbon wheels. i wonder where 2500€ come from.

guess with some extras it will be 14000 in ltd

 

[Jabba81]

If they really have their own Software with less power and they won't let us choose the original Software, I'll probably buy a Velduro Rogue or Mondraker Zendit.

Buying then such an Orbea would be like buying a 500 horsepower car, but you're only allowed to use 300

How many times I need the full power? No idea, but I want to choose that and not the manufacturer.

 

[404]

if you are tall like me (195cm) Mondraker, unno, .. are no option. can't use a seatpost with more than 170mm

i had a atherton in size 12 (the biggest) to ride one hour, and that was just right.
The orbea looks like you could put a long dropper in it.

the big plus in the Orbea is 29/29" and 800 maybe 900Wh Battery.
ok and colour

i have the old wild fs at the moment and i like the geometry and feel.

i don't want the 700Wh Battery. stupid long an $$$ 1100€
I often use more than one battery a day without option to reload.
for long rides you could put an extra 800Wh ( 650€) in the backpack. but not the crazy long 700Wh.

You do not swap battery every time, but for example the atherton, you have 3 screws. two on the battery and one on the motor. sway the motor out of the way an you can pull the battery out.
it's like 3-5min to change the Battery.

i guess on the Orbea it is the same.


I hope the 750W is only a UCI Version of the bike.
Rotwild also has a UCI Version for the M2S motor. But you can get the normal one, too.
German Review to the topic: Avinox-Motor gedrosselt! 750 Watt und 130 Nm: Warum diese Kennzahlen jetzt alles entscheiden

with 100kg i could use more than 750W

 

[Imanol]

Perhaps Orbea believes that so much power isn't necessary and is looking for a configuration closer to the M1, to guarantee greater autonomy and maybe they're also looking to avoid durability problems in the motor, transmissions and frames.

 

[Jabba81]

Perhaps Orbea believes that so much power isn't necessary and is looking for a configuration closer to the M1, to guarantee greater autonomy and maybe they're also looking to avoid durability problems in the motor, transmissions and frames.

But that I can configure myself in the App

 

[Celada13]

-750W = -40%
m-team to m-ltd i only see better sram parts an Mullet. still no carbon wheels. i wonder where 2500€ come from.

guess with some extras it will be 14000 in ltd

As far as I know, the M-LTD does come with Oquo Carbon wheels, better brakes and a better drivetrain than the M-Team, even an X2 Live Valve shock (not sure about that).

 

[404]

in the screeshot, the m-ltd has aluminium wheels and no live valve.
i will change the fork, damper and brake anyways. but i would like the carbon wheels and a good group set.

the carbon wheelset sounds pretty good. at least in the reviews i found

 

[Flo7]

I will buy a M20 and change everything...
Zeb/ Vivid Coil, Sram XX, Dt Swiss EXC1200 LTD, Trickstuff/ Cascade Brakes, Reverb AXS and Enve Stem/ One Handelbar

 

[killerade]

in the screeshot, the m-ltd has aluminium wheels and no live valve.
i will change the fork, damper and brake anyways. but i would like the carbon wheels and a good group set.

the carbon wheelset sounds pretty good. at least in the reviews i found

Live valve on this photo

 

[404]

I will buy a M20 and change everything...
Zeb/ Vivid Coil, Sram XX, Dt Swiss EXC1200 LTD, Trickstuff/ Cascade Brakes, Reverb AXS and Enve Stem/ One Handelbar

does M20 have individual colour ?
but yes - i guess this is cheaper then buying the team or ltd.

even if you buy a complete groupset.

i will put Intend Fork/damper/brakes in it

 

[Celada13]

in the screeshot, the m-ltd has aluminium wheels and no live valve.
i will change the fork, damper and brake anyways. but i would like the carbon wheels and a good group set.

the carbon wheelset sounds pretty good. at least in the reviews i found

Maybe because that screenshot is a Mullet version, not sure. The info I have from my local dealer is than the LTD comes with Oquo Carbon Wheels.

But if you're going to make those changes, it might be better to buy the M-Team RS and upgrade it from there, right?

 

[404]

Live valve on this photo

ok you're right. And still Bosch Magnet on the Wheel

 

[wik]

I hope the 750W is only a UCI Version of the bike.
Rotwild also has a UCI Version for the M2S motor. But you can get the normal one, too.
German Review to the topic: Avinox-Motor gedrosselt! 750 Watt und 130 Nm: Warum diese Kennzahlen jetzt alles entscheiden

Yes, it is only a special Motor for and with the UCI, Avinox and Rotwild .

official link : DriveUnit M2S Race for UCI

 

[Celada13]

does M20 have individual colour ?
but yes - i guess this is cheaper then buying the team or ltd.

even if you buy a complete groupset.

i will put Intend Fork/damper/brakes in it

The m20 version is not RS, so it does not come with Orbea's RS system with his electronic dropper post. About the MyO and the models that will have it available there is no info.

 

[Flo7]

The m20 version is not RS, so it does not come with Orbea's RS system with his electronic dropper post. About the MyO and the models that will have it available there is no info.

All Models has the RS System/ Motor Software.

 

[404]

i guess we all will have to wait for orbea to present it.

now i have some days to think abpout 750W and the consequeces for me.

 

[Bikerson]

My choice, M20 in M size.
Specs that I already own:
Fork: Öhlins rxf38 170mm. (would like to mount a 180 Smashpot with progressive rate spring coil)
Shock: Öhlins ttx22 m.2 (Valt progressive rate spring coil)
Brakes: Saints with Shark 223/203 rotors
Wheels: full 29" hx1501 hybrid with Argotal enduro tyres and Panzer insert on both
Seatpost: OneUp 210mm
Handlebar: Fatbar 800x 35 rise in alu
Ready for fight

Pd: groupset isn't important to me since I consider it a consumable.