I'm curious about your BPW calculations?
I have a 750 Bosch on my wild, weigh aprox 100kg with kit and get around 8+ self lifting laps at BPW.
Is it just me or did the 2026 bike releases disappoint?
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I have a 750 Bosch on my wild, weigh aprox 100kg with kit and get around 8+ self lifting laps at BPW.
I certainly did too; it was clear that an evolution of the motor, addressing noise and whining issues, was inevitable, and even a slight increase in torque and power was to be expected. But basing everything solely on maximum power has been disappointing. I was hoping for a weight reduction of +/- 100g for the motor, and above all, lighter batteries with greater capacity, featuring new 860 or 940 cells and a carbon fiber casing.
Shimano is in the shitter, Bosch is self-limiting, Specialized is getting heavier and heavier and their batteries aren't getting any thinner... and lightweight concepts are stagnating. Fazua hasn't evolved at all since launching the Ride 60. TQ says they could scale their system but haven't released a TQ90 or TQ100. Bosch SX could perhaps develop an SX2 with 2.2kg, 75nm, 550w continuous and 700w peak....
I went through it in the Whyte Karve thread, but I get roughly 600m vert per hour and use about 400wh of battery, and the BPW climb is 240m vert, so 600/240 = 2.5 runs per hour or 5 runs from an 800wh pack. Might be less with a more powerful Avinox motor, hence 4-5 runs in 90 min. That fits with my experience demoing Bosch bikes at FoD: a 600wh battery lasted under 90 minutes, and I wasn't in Turbo the whole time. I'm 110kg kitted up. Someone else in that thread also said they got 5 runs.
I really liked the new offerings. I test rode a Aventon Current EXP a month ago and it is a nice trail bike. The motor seemed a little clunky but had plenty of power. The new Amflow's are a pretty good deal for 5K with the M2 motor in the USA and I was/am thinking about getting a new bike. I like that ARI is supposed to have a full aluminum bike with the M2S motor for around 5K as well as that one peaks my interest probable the most as its custom built to your body measurements. There is so much talk around 32" tires I expect next year everyone will have 32" front wheel and this year offering will be out of date by next spring?
You seem to be an edge case scenario, yet still there are a couple of Avinox bikes with fast swap 800wh batteries. The Crestie and I think Rotwild has something available in your part of the world.
Ultimately bike manufacturers cannot design bikes for very unique circumstances such as yours when it makes the bikes worse for the vast majority of clients.
boulderghost
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Reduce the power to 1000w and 90nm. You’ll get way more range. That should be everything you asked for.
If AF hadn't made such a sweet $5K offering that blows so many other ebikes out of the water that cost significantly more, I could maybe see some of the complaints. But $5K with a removable 800W battery makes it really hard for me to be to disappointed. My ideal bike would have been the PX with a 900-1000W battery, but I feel a little silly nitpicking due to the value of the PR. As in, its such a good value just buy it, and if the PX is upgraded to a bigger battery later, you didn't go into such debt for the PR, that you could probably figure out a way to swing the PX later.
I'm not sure how unique it is. Other people in this forum have said the same thing. I guess I'm unusual in that I'm not too bothered by 1-2kg of extra weight and slightly worsened aesthetics, which seem to be the only downsides. Aside from that, I don't see how a removable battery would make the bikes worse.
The Rotwild is expensive and has bad geo, and the seat tube is too long on the Crestie (or the reach too short in S2), and is sold out anyway, so there aren't really any options that suit me.
I was both impressed and disappointed with the 2026 offerings, but then again I haven't been in the market to buy a bike recently. So, it's all sort of 'new' to me with fresh eyes.
First, my disappointment. My disappointment centered on Specialized in particular. I've been riding my Levo SL2 for the past couple years, and also have a gen.1 Vado SL. Both are incredible bikes, but I spend a lot more time on the Levo as I strongly prefer mountain biking to gravel or road. I also have a couple other Specialized analog bikes for my wife and kids. I have recently been thinking about getting a full-powered EMTB as a complement to my Levo SL. I would love to stay within the Specialized ecosystem, but I'm just not seeing the value or performance I'm seeing with some other brands. I want to love the Levo 4, but when you put it next to something like the Pivot Shuttle Amp'd, it looks like a bloated tank with limited capabilities. Maybe I'm being too harsh, or maybe I'm just too hung up on low weight, since that what I'm accustomed to? I rode my friend's Levo 4 Comp Carbon and it is a bad@ss bike that is hugely capable. They just seem so darn expensive for what you're getting vs. all the new stuff being launched.
Obviously, the Avinox tidal wave really stole the spotlight this year and it seems like the focus of every discussion, video, etc. I haven't ridden that system before, but it seems to be justified based on the uproar it has created, and the number of manufacturers who have made it the core of their new bike offerings. For 2026 I am impressed by the innovation and speed of DJI. They seem to be all-in on the EMTB market. Their motor power numbers are impressive, but all the 'other' facets of their system are more interesting to me. Their approach to traction control, free shifting while not pedaling, the depth of the electronics intregation with the app, apple find my, auto mode, powered AXS shifter, integrated headlight, gps integration...the list goes on. That stuff all seems like it would add value and function for me personally, even more so than the big power numbers the motors generate. I'm not seeing that type of innovation with the other motor systems, which makes it really hard for me to consider a non-Avinox bike this year.
First, my disappointment. My disappointment centered on Specialized in particular. I've been riding my Levo SL2 for the past couple years, and also have a gen.1 Vado SL. Both are incredible bikes, but I spend a lot more time on the Levo as I strongly prefer mountain biking to gravel or road. I also have a couple other Specialized analog bikes for my wife and kids. I have recently been thinking about getting a full-powered EMTB as a complement to my Levo SL. I would love to stay within the Specialized ecosystem, but I'm just not seeing the value or performance I'm seeing with some other brands. I want to love the Levo 4, but when you put it next to something like the Pivot Shuttle Amp'd, it looks like a bloated tank with limited capabilities. Maybe I'm being too harsh, or maybe I'm just too hung up on low weight, since that what I'm accustomed to? I rode my friend's Levo 4 Comp Carbon and it is a bad@ss bike that is hugely capable. They just seem so darn expensive for what you're getting vs. all the new stuff being launched.
Obviously, the Avinox tidal wave really stole the spotlight this year and it seems like the focus of every discussion, video, etc. I haven't ridden that system before, but it seems to be justified based on the uproar it has created, and the number of manufacturers who have made it the core of their new bike offerings. For 2026 I am impressed by the innovation and speed of DJI. They seem to be all-in on the EMTB market. Their motor power numbers are impressive, but all the 'other' facets of their system are more interesting to me. Their approach to traction control, free shifting while not pedaling, the depth of the electronics intregation with the app, apple find my, auto mode, powered AXS shifter, integrated headlight, gps integration...the list goes on. That stuff all seems like it would add value and function for me personally, even more so than the big power numbers the motors generate. I'm not seeing that type of innovation with the other motor systems, which makes it really hard for me to consider a non-Avinox bike this year.
Heckler Sb130
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Don’t worry this is only the tip of the iceberg. Over the next 12 months more bikes will come out with their new avinox inspired bikes. Think major brands not boutique brands like this years release.
Whether you like Avinox or not their innovation is going to give the industry a nice boost forward in bringing more tech into our bikes. If you don’t like tech in your mountain bikes go back to a single speed rigid.
My new Crestline is in my home and waiting to be built!!!
Whether you like Avinox or not their innovation is going to give the industry a nice boost forward in bringing more tech into our bikes. If you don’t like tech in your mountain bikes go back to a single speed rigid.
My new Crestline is in my home and waiting to be built!!!
I am happy that the Aventon Current costs less than $5,000 USD - and you can buy a second battery at checkout. Why can't I do that at a Specialized or Trek store?
I think having no Avinox options from the major brands is why some people are complaining.
Lots of these new Avinox bikes are having some kind of quirks or limitations. Crestline being super expensive and limited, Forbidden is HP only & Mondraker lack of seatpost insertion are just some examples.
First trail/AM/Enduro Avinox bike from a major brand have a very high chance of being extremely popular and this will be the beginning of the end of some of these newer brands selling bikes solely on the Avinox hype.
I truly wonder what kind of discussions Trek, Specialized and Giant are having internally right now regarding this : ignore the competition, ditch our outdated system to join the competition or cook something competitive ASAP ?
Furthermore, I'm not really sure which new bike would be a good fit for me. I think the one thing I wish I had was longer battery life. I feel like on my Levo SL I always need to use my range extender when riding with my friends on full power bikes. I feel like my bike in Turbo mode would possibly be all the power I need under most of my normal riding situations. When I took my bike to a bike park however, I was really wishing for more battery life. I had to use trail mode to conserve battery on climbs, and I was wishing I could zoom up the mountain and save my energy for the descents. A bike that caught my eye in this regard was the Propain Shresh SL. It has about the same power and torque numbers as my Levo SL, but it can be optioned with a bigger battery. Another possibility that crosse my mind was the Pivot Shuttle SL/AM. But then I think to myelf...well, if I'm looking at a bike with a 400 Wh battery and need a range extender, then why not just look at the Pivot SHuttle AMp'd with the 800 Wh battery and just ride it in lower power modes? It weighs a bit more, but not THAT much more.
The majority of my riding will still be all mountain type stuff in NC, not park days. As such, I don't want a crazy 180/170mm bike. I want a light, fun, and playful 160/150mm bike that can still handle a park day occasionally. Not a tank that kills the fun of more mellow trails.
Still only a 700wh battery and no extender. Ive found the sweet spot for power is about 100-105nm for me. If the rumors are correct and there is a 480wh extender coming out maybe I'll change my mind. For the big rides I do, I like about 1000-1100wh battery.
Are they available in the USA? That's good to know.
I'm waiting to see the new Orbea. If the Propain came in carbon instead of aluminum I might consider it. I'm sure the Atherton rides amazing but they remind me of other manufacturer's prototype bikes. I don't have confidence in YT being around very long.
I’m really not interested in a unix because i don’t want that powerful of a motor or the weight of a full powered bike. like my trek exe because it’s quiet and lighter and i can lift it on my bike rack. just enough power to get up the hills on the east coast/arkansas. i also loved the pivot shuttle sl and would love to try the shuttle slam
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Nah.
Even most e-bike reviewers that literally ride in excellent MTB terrain for a living mostly prefer the 600wh batteries for the better handling and it being plenty for a good hard bike ride.
Ollie, the designer and resident ripper at Forbidden prefers the 600 wh battery, in BC.
Your size, terrain, length of ride time & need to go as fast as possible up roads I guess, is in fact not the normal.
Also, removable batteries add weight, reduce ground clearance and the ones that come out of the side or bottom create a weirdly rigid and poor handling chassis, like my Relay.
Bac
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I was skeptical about the 600 too as I wanted to go bigger battery when updating, but ended up taking the punt with one. Glad I did, it's a wicked bike, haven't even used the powermore. The bike is serious amazing, huge improvement on the old Bullit. I've unlimited the speed (which chewes a bit of battery at 50+km/h), but never bothered with updating the power though (it's still at the 80nm setting) but run in full boost the whole time. Appart from the Avinox hype, SC have nailed it.
