TheKaiser
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What are the reviews you've seen? I've only seen "first look" type articles or videos that seemed very positive. I also tried looking at Brian Cahal's Youtube channel but didn't see any Teewing content on there.
Why Shouldn't I buy a Teewing Flux?
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Plummet
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My boy was sponsored to race the turbo force. Even though it wasn't an enduro frame only 150/160mm it held up to the abuse of a teenager smashing high speed racing.
I would be happy to recommend Teewing as brand as a making quality frames.
I haven't seen the flux or ridden it or seen any comprehensive reviews. So just like any bike thats just been released with little review data you are just either going to have to take a punt or wait for more info to be shared.
PS Am i missing something but it doesnt look like propain have an E bike more than 160mm rear?
In which case if you want big travel then the Propain fails on travel.
I'm assuming he bought the Ekano. Which as you say is only 170/160. But is is running Enduro geometry.
But 170mm is the biggest allowed fork. And the shock travel is only 55mm. So yeah. Sort of borderline Enduro.
What are the reviews you've seen? I've only seen "first look" type articles or videos that seemed very positive. I also tried looking at Brian Cahal's Youtube channel but didn't see any Teewing content on there.
Teewing's Geo is practically identical to the Amflow PLs, a very "safe" middle of the road all-around trail geo. with tried and true Horst link 4-bar. Before buying, I've watched every test and review I could find on-line and heard no substantial Geo compaints. Of note is that Teewing designed the carbon frame around the Avinox, using higher strength T800 carbon with extra support in key stress areas from the high torque motor. On paper stronger than the Amflows.What are the reviews you've seen? I've only seen "first look" type articles or videos that seemed very positive. I also tried looking at Brian Cahal's Youtube channel but didn't see any Teewing content on there.
sjturner2112
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Brian ranked the new Avionox bikes, and he put the Teewing in his 'unrideable' category because of the chain stay length, super short. Go to 11:05. I'll try and find the other reviewers who did not like what they saw.What are the reviews you've seen? I've only seen "first look" type articles or videos that seemed very positive. I also tried looking at Brian Cahal's Youtube channel but didn't see any Teewing content on there.
Saw that. His logic doesn’t make sense if compared to the geo of the Amflow with exact same chain stay and he put the Amflow in the 2nd to highest category and Teewing in the bottom. Just YouTube search Teewing and you can fine a lot of thorough reviews, not just a flippant 3 sec comment by Brian.
TheKaiser
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Thanks for the link. I had not seen that vid when I searched for Teewing as it was sort of a wrap up of a bunch of Avinox bike info. He has a pretty entertaining presentation style! In fairness, he hasn't ridden all of the bikes he is ranking, but I'm sure we all do a lot of similar evaluation and judgement of a bike purely based on numbers, rather than the actual ride experience. I am fully in agreement that if you like long chainstays then the Teewing may not be the best choice for you. It's worth noting that the early published geo sheets seemed to have an error, in that they just copied the full 29er geo onto the Mullet table. Drip still lists that old, error filled, geo sheet, which lists the Mullet chainstays at 450-452mm. The Teewing website has an updated one, that lists the correct 434-436mm for Mullet. Here is the proper Mullet table for reference:
TheKaiser
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Yeah, I agree there are some potential gaps in his logic, and obviously he is trying to be provocative in his presentation.
Where there might be a seed of truth is in those chainstay flip chips on the Teewing vs. the Amflow. You're right that they both go from High 430s to Low 450s (although the Amflow is a 4 position design vs. 2 position on the Teewing). The difference is that Amflow presents those chips as a chainstay adjustment, wheras Teewing presents them as being to adjust for either a 27.5" Mullet wheel, or a 29" wheel. I am not sure what adjustments Amflow suggests for their bike to run 29" but it seems like their shock mount adjustment for BB height offers 13mm of height adjustment, vs. Teewings shock mount adjustment which only offers 5mm of adjustment. In other words, Teewing is expecting you to raise the bike using the chainstay flip chips to compensate for the smaller wheel size, whereas with Amflow an additional 8mm of compensation can be done with the shock mount, allowing you to use one of their middle or longer chainstay settings even with the smaller wheel.
Having said all of that, it may be fine to run the Teewing in 29" mode even with the smaller wheel. It's BB drop is listed as 6-10mm, whereas the Amflow has a BB drop of a 10-23mm, so the Teewing is already sitting higher up (I should note, measuring BB drop on Mullet bikes is something where some brands get sloppy, due to differing axle heights, so take these numbers with a grain of salt). Of course, the Teewing has more travel too, so the bottom out height will be lower, and your local terrain will play a role in terms of the chance of pedal strikes on rocks or roots. Also, the Teewing chainstay length will grow more than the Amflow, due to the high pivot design, so I guess you could say...its a little complicated, and your milage may vary!
I dont really get the the Teewing hate on the looks, I've got one on order and think its looks pretty good. I personally find the forbidden design more offensive, very bulky around the motor.
As far as geo goes, I dont think you can really go wrong with this, unless you are running a mullet and stuck with the short chainstay. But 480mm reach and 452mm chainstay I think is very safe and manageable. Do i wish it had modular dropouts? Yes. Is 452 too short? No.
And then we get to price, the E Dreadnought will probably start in Australia at $15k give or take (full bike). I can get a Flux Frameset for $7k with and X2. That alone was enough to seal the deal.
Its a no brainer I think.
And re Cahill saying its unridable, he says 470-480mm reach with with 450mm chainstays lands bikes in goated to deece, he was unaware the Flux can fit that bill.
As far as geo goes, I dont think you can really go wrong with this, unless you are running a mullet and stuck with the short chainstay. But 480mm reach and 452mm chainstay I think is very safe and manageable. Do i wish it had modular dropouts? Yes. Is 452 too short? No.
And then we get to price, the E Dreadnought will probably start in Australia at $15k give or take (full bike). I can get a Flux Frameset for $7k with and X2. That alone was enough to seal the deal.
Its a no brainer I think.
And re Cahill saying its unridable, he says 470-480mm reach with with 450mm chainstays lands bikes in goated to deece, he was unaware the Flux can fit that bill.
whilst the frame manufacturer might be a bit more obscure, I assume most countries will have ample Avinox support structures for any issues.
TheKaiser
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One would hope so, but from what I have seen there is a bit of a lack of clarity on that point, and it may vary substantially by country. I saw some people in the UK saying that UK dealers of bikes with Avinox motors have a sort of dealer portal, where they can handle service and warranty claims directly with Avinox Headquarters, however I saw the claim made that here in the states, each brand is expected to handle their own Avinox service and warranty support, so the bike brand would be stocking their own extra Avinox motors in their warehouse, rather than Avinox HQ handling it all. If true, that would make the bike brand play a bigger role in your Avinox customer service experience than if Avinox HQ were handling it. I'd love to hear more from anyone with more clarity than me.
Cahal didn't pay attention to the geo and measurements. Got all poopoo about it and didn't even realize the chainstay length, in fact I called him out in the comments on YT and he acknowledged it. There haven't been a lot of reviews of it, but the ones I've seen seem favorable, including Pinkbike.
I'm running my supposed Amflow 27/29 flipchip in 29, even though I have a 27 wheel. Why ? Because it feels better, and I have a kick-ass bunny-hop so I don't bottom out as much with the lower BB.
So I'll be doing the same with the Teewing. Try both chainstay lengths. Set to the one I prefer.
Some people get caught up in some silly stuff. Ride the bike. If you are a better rider on a particular setting. Then ride the bike in those settings.
There are full proper reviews of the Flux. All of which say the Flux rides like a downhill bike with great geometry. We also have first hand reviews of the Flux from forum members who are riding the Flux at Sea Otter right now. All are very impressed. So why give so much credence to someone doing a Top Gear style "What's cool" board. Over a proper review ?
Explain why you are ignoring all these positive reviews, and giving such credibility to a flippant "Top 20" list.
He didn't ride the Teewing. He is rating it on his mistaken premise it has a 435mm chainstay, when you can clearly set it up with a 452mm chainstay.just to add, I’m a big fan of Cahal, love his content and honest reviews of bikes. Hopefully he tests the Flux in 29er mode sometime
If he didn't put any effort into checking the facts that he posted, as facts. It's hard to be a fan when you cannot trust what he posts.
The other thing I would add. Is on a high pivot, the effective chainstay length grows under compression, making the bike more stable. So I will probably try the shorter chainstay setting.
Comparing chainstay lengths of high pivots to non-high pivots, is not comparing apples with apples. Especially when you didn't ride the bike.
Comparing chainstay lengths of high pivots to non-high pivots, is not comparing apples with apples. Especially when you didn't ride the bike.
sjturner2112
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I am literally just reporting what I have seen. I have no opinion on the Teewing personally, one way or the other.
Hey, can you link to the reviewers who have tested the bike and did not like it? There are very very reviews online I’ve found and would be good to have more info
Look forward to them TIA
I agree with all of this but pushies website still has the 435 chain stay on it for mullet and 451 for 29er.
Particularly on the XL size that is very short.
There also have not been many reviews from the usual suspects. I have found it hard to get reall world info where I have not had the feeling they are on the payroll.
It still doesn't explain why a large only goes to recommended height of 185cm for large.
I have put a chart together for mullet bikes as I am looking for new ones as my sons grow.
I have put the Scott ransom how I have it set up - But thinking of frame swapping to the frameworks
The turbo levo gen3 how I have it set up with a 170mm 38 this would become my sons if i get another emtb
I created the chart with the meta sx power with the 170mm 38 sx and standard 160 36 fork
Atherton has odd sizing height so take that as AI grain of salt as far as rider height
My eldest has just outgrown his analogue meta sx v4 in medium so put the large in there in his low setting for referance.
So this explains a bit of the random bikes in the list
Particularly on the XL size that is very short.
There also have not been many reviews from the usual suspects. I have found it hard to get reall world info where I have not had the feeling they are on the payroll.
It still doesn't explain why a large only goes to recommended height of 185cm for large.
I have put a chart together for mullet bikes as I am looking for new ones as my sons grow.
I have put the Scott ransom how I have it set up - But thinking of frame swapping to the frameworks
The turbo levo gen3 how I have it set up with a 170mm 38 this would become my sons if i get another emtb
I created the chart with the meta sx power with the 170mm 38 sx and standard 160 36 fork
Atherton has odd sizing height so take that as AI grain of salt as far as rider height
My eldest has just outgrown his analogue meta sx v4 in medium so put the large in there in his low setting for referance.
So this explains a bit of the random bikes in the list
| Meta Power (160) | Meta Power (170) | Teewing (L) | Teewing (XL) | Atherton (9) | |
| Rider Height | 178–190 cm | 178–190 cm | 175–185 cm | 185–195 cm | 179–185 cm |
| Reach | 485 mm | 480 mm | 480 mm | 505 mm | 485 mm |
| HT Angle | 64.0° | 63.5° | 63.5° | 63.5° | 63.6° |
| BB Height | 345 mm | 349 mm | 345 mm | 345 mm | 343 mm |
| Chainstay | 446 mm | 446 mm | 436 mm | 436 mm | 445 mm |
| Stack | 647 mm | 651 mm | 642 mm | 655 mm | 657 mm |
| Wheelbase | 1290 mm | 1294 mm | 1271 mm | 1307 mm | 1280 mm |
| Scott Ransom (L) | Levo S4 (Low) | Meta SX V4 (Low) | Frameworks | |
| Rider Height | 178–188 cm | 173–188 cm | 178–190 cm | 178–188 cm |
| Reach | 472 mm | 467 mm | 481 mm | 480 mm |
| HT Angle | 65.0° | 63.5° | 63.6° | 63.75° |
| BB Height | 346.5 mm | 348 mm | 341 mm | 340 mm |
| Chainstay | 436 mm | 442 mm | 449 mm | 455 mm |
| Stack | 623 mm | 637 mm | 642 mm | 664 mm |
| Wheelbase | 1248 mm | 1260 mm | 1287 mm | 1293 mm |
I can get a
I don't know, you can get a custom Flux with level 2 dreadnought e group set, level 1 suspension and charger for level 4 money. I don't call that reasonably priced. Your opinion may vary...
In Australia the E Dred pricing isnt released but the cheapest Druid E with the m2s and 800 battery is $18.8k, the cheapest Flux with a 800w and M2S is $10k......I assume the Forbidden would have a slightly better spec, but thats a big difference.....
I can only answer why I wouldn’t buy it.
First the high pivot and idler. I’m just not doing that to myself.
The fact that it’s a new, Chinese bike brand that I have zero confidence in.
It’s a “Teewing.” I’m not riding something called a Teewing unless they’re giving me one for free. Sounds like a cheap piece of crap. They really should’ve westernized their name.
First the high pivot and idler. I’m just not doing that to myself.
The fact that it’s a new, Chinese bike brand that I have zero confidence in.
It’s a “Teewing.” I’m not riding something called a Teewing unless they’re giving me one for free. Sounds like a cheap piece of crap. They really should’ve westernized their name.
All reasonable points. I’m pretty picky when it comes to my pedal bikes, ride an Sworks, desperately want a Forbidden Dreadnought. But when it comes to e-bikes the mainstream brands are taking the piss with pricing, I’m happy to pay 50% less for ‘basically’ the same thing. Regards to warranty, if Teewing was running some no name motor and battery that would give me pause, but Avinox is well supported in most areas so that’s not a concern, I’ve never broken a frame so whilst it could happen there is a warranty so time will tell if that comes back to bite me.
Each to their own, if I could afford a Teir 2 E Dreadnought for neigh on $20k aud I’d do it in a heartbeat, as it stands $7k for a frame that’s close enough? Sold
Good luck to the OP on his hunt
Each to their own, if I could afford a Teir 2 E Dreadnought for neigh on $20k aud I’d do it in a heartbeat, as it stands $7k for a frame that’s close enough? Sold
Good luck to the OP on his hunt
The have been doing E-Mobility since 2014. That is not new.
So exactly what are you not doing to yourself ? You don't prefer a bike that has a rearward axle movement, when it hits a big bump ? You prefer the axle moves towards the bump ? How is that helping you ? Unless getting thrown off the bike is your objective ?
High Pivots also grows in length under compression. That makes it more stable. You don't like more stable ? It also reduces kick back.
Some context would be great.
Jeremybub
Member
I was trying to find the Frame Class rating for the Teewing Flux, in your post you mentioned it’s a class 5 frame, where did you find that data? I would like to put a dual crown 180mm Boxxer but want to confirm it’s capable. Thanks.
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