On my last update for the Amflow PL the software installer said it added "Dual Battery" functionality for the M1. So i expect that the new 600W battery with round connectors should work for the old models as well.
So frustrated that i didn't wait for the PX
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I'm not hating it...
I'm almost 72 and bought a Norco Fluid VLT C2 with the 'low-power Bosch SX motor, because it DIDN'T have a huge amount of power!
I know that probably sounds strange to those who have been swept up in the tide of "Gotta have more power".
I wanted a mountain bike, not a Monster Truck, but getting a bit older and having all the injuries from my misspent youth catching up on me, I needed a little 'oomph' to help get me up the hills.
I owned a 'full power' e-MTB (Merida e160 8000) a few years ago, sold it and went back to a beautiful full carbon 'analog' trail bike, with Fox Factory squishy front & rear, which weighed 12.4kg. It felt so light and climbed like a startled gazelle. The full-power ebikes were all around 25kg (that's DOUBLE the weight of my Cube).
With the wimpy little SX motor, I am yet to ride a hill where I said "Man, you need more power to climb up that hill".
My point is: Why do young, fit people need all that power, when an SL e-MTB will get them up pretty much any hill if they keep cadence up?
Please do see me as being rude, that's not my intention. I am genuinely curious, as there may be something I have failed to understand.
And mate, please just enjoy your bike and don't stress that it isn't the very latest; every bike will be 'obsolete' quickly. You have an amazing bike
However, time catches up on us all, hence the Norco
I wouldn’t consider any of the better eMTBs built in the last 5 or so years obsolete. Have there been improvements to various designs and components -sure -but that doesn’t necessarily make the predecessor obsolete.
An M1 or M2 MacBook Pro is a several generations behind the latest and greatest but for many tasks an M1 or M2 Mac is more than competent. Now an original Macintosh -that might be considered obsolete.
There are some people who like owning the latest and greatest highest spec everything, nothing wrong with that. In a free society we have the right to spend money how we see fit. But owning the latest highest spec design and actually utilizing any advantage those improvements might reap are two distinct things.
Emtbs cover a lot of ground, from the casual trail ride to the gnarliest of downhill runs. Depending on the use case an older model might be just the thing. I have a 2021 Santa Cruz Heckler MX, and for me on trail rides, the smaller battery, and lighter duty suspension provides a lighter more nimble bike which is exactly what I want. The only tech that might get me to upgrade would be a full power emtb -17kg or lighter. YMMV
An M1 or M2 MacBook Pro is a several generations behind the latest and greatest but for many tasks an M1 or M2 Mac is more than competent. Now an original Macintosh -that might be considered obsolete.
There are some people who like owning the latest and greatest highest spec everything, nothing wrong with that. In a free society we have the right to spend money how we see fit. But owning the latest highest spec design and actually utilizing any advantage those improvements might reap are two distinct things.
Emtbs cover a lot of ground, from the casual trail ride to the gnarliest of downhill runs. Depending on the use case an older model might be just the thing. I have a 2021 Santa Cruz Heckler MX, and for me on trail rides, the smaller battery, and lighter duty suspension provides a lighter more nimble bike which is exactly what I want. The only tech that might get me to upgrade would be a full power emtb -17kg or lighter. YMMV
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My 2 penneth.
Had a Santa Cruz with a Shimano motor, Bosch came out with the Gen 4 and made the Shimano look like a Flintstones bike.
Bought a Gen 4 Bosch bike, then they brought out a Gen 5
DJI brought out the Avinox; Bosch is out of flavour.
DJI Announce a banging entry-level bike at £6000 less than what I bought mine for, which pretty much makes my bike worthless to sell on second hand, as like I found when trying to sell my SC, no one wants the Bosch as then they didnt want the Shimano?
Had a Santa Cruz with a Shimano motor, Bosch came out with the Gen 4 and made the Shimano look like a Flintstones bike.
Bought a Gen 4 Bosch bike, then they brought out a Gen 5
DJI brought out the Avinox; Bosch is out of flavour.
DJI Announce a banging entry-level bike at £6000 less than what I bought mine for, which pretty much makes my bike worthless to sell on second hand, as like I found when trying to sell my SC, no one wants the Bosch as then they didnt want the Shimano?
RickBullotta
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
You have a great bike. Quit b*tching and go ride.
dadeadduck
New Member
If you got the PL because it was one of the better all mountain emtbs that has not changed. Enjoy the bike, its great. Just because another has come out (and is more expensive) doesn't take anything away from your bike.
You can choose to be annoyed , you can choose to enjoy the bike or you you can sell and find 2k extra to buy an px carbon pro. The non-pro PX carbon will probably be cost neutral, because the fork, carbon wheels and more expensive cassette arent worth 2.5k (or can be done cheaper).
You have options, being annoyed at the past isnt good for anyone.
You can choose to be annoyed , you can choose to enjoy the bike or you you can sell and find 2k extra to buy an px carbon pro. The non-pro PX carbon will probably be cost neutral, because the fork, carbon wheels and more expensive cassette arent worth 2.5k (or can be done cheaper).
You have options, being annoyed at the past isnt good for anyone.
Wait for next year! There will be a whole new round of new bike releases. Newer, better, faster!
Of course I’d wait for 2028, those bikes will be newer than 2027. Until the 2029 models are released. But that will make the 2028 models cheaper as they will be used.
So wait till late 2029 when the early 2030 models are released. No FOMO!
You’ll be on a new bike before 2031!
Problem solved.
Of course I’d wait for 2028, those bikes will be newer than 2027. Until the 2029 models are released. But that will make the 2028 models cheaper as they will be used.
So wait till late 2029 when the early 2030 models are released. No FOMO!
You’ll be on a new bike before 2031!
Problem solved.
Well if it helps. I waited until the release info came out about both bikes, studied the pros and cons, then I still had my local bike shop order me a levo4 at the sale price.
Just because it’s the newest doesn’t mean it’s the bike everyone should own. I may regret it but whatever
Just because it’s the newest doesn’t mean it’s the bike everyone should own. I may regret it but whatever
martin_m_bo
Member
are you sure ? i checked the update 2 days ago and it said not included for M 1. Woud be awsome if they changed it
RickBullotta
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Nope. Not true. Not for the M1. Read the release notes.
There’s no such thing as the ‘best bike’ just the best one for you.
I think we all succumb to ‘See, Want, Have’ occasionally, but it can lead to premature acquisition or even financial problems if it gets out of control.
It’s a great bike, most people can keep the dopamine hits coming by buying smaller upgrade items, or even bigger ones, nobody ever regretted buying a decent wheelset for instance.
The other thing is, spend some time planning a new place to ride, maybe even a riding holiday, way better use of time and money than constantly buying new ‘better’ bikes. That’s hard for me to say as a believer in the ‘best number of bikes to own is n+1’, but it makes sense.
I think we all succumb to ‘See, Want, Have’ occasionally, but it can lead to premature acquisition or even financial problems if it gets out of control.
It’s a great bike, most people can keep the dopamine hits coming by buying smaller upgrade items, or even bigger ones, nobody ever regretted buying a decent wheelset for instance.
The other thing is, spend some time planning a new place to ride, maybe even a riding holiday, way better use of time and money than constantly buying new ‘better’ bikes. That’s hard for me to say as a believer in the ‘best number of bikes to own is n+1’, but it makes sense.
Once in a great moon. Wisdom so great will permeate through the fog of stupid, useless typing, to share our pathetic opinions, that it forces me outside to ride. There’s no other option.
The bike you don’t have sucks
Go ride
ozzybmx
Active member
Hits all around, second hand eebs are not good, just as well we enjoy the shit out of them.
Ibis Oso $17k, converted to it dual crown with a Dorado, swapped shock, brakes, drivetrain etc... over $20k in the hole.
6 weeks after buying Ibis had a 'price correction' and dropped them to $13k, very next year they were released at $10.5k. Add gen 4 Bosch that rattles and a Fox 38 with a creaky CSU. Not been ridden in 9 months, reckon I'll be very lucky to get $4-5k for it. I'll clean it up one day and move it on.
That hour a day when you get to go to your happy place, ride in nature and clear your head has no price.
The undecided
Active member
Had I been aware I could actually have bought a base model Amflow in 2024 for exactly what I paid (after discount) for my mid powered bike I would certainly be a WHOLE lot happier now tbh.
Faced with the prospect of losing £thousands if I actually managed to sell it I just have enjoy it for what it is and what attracted me to buy it.
Things are moving at such a pace now with emtb development it’s a bloody expensive pill to swallow if you’re not really satisfied with your purchase.I get your remorse but ultimately you’ve still got a cracking state of the art emtb-much better than mine with which I expect you’ll thoroughly enjoy every ride.
Without wanting to wonder down the ADHD + Depression mental health thing too far, this is bang on!
I struggle with ADHD a lot - and work based stress makes me slip into "I want to buy something new to make myself feel better" territory almost weekly - that's a bad combo. I tend to still buy shit I don't need (I bought a pair of radial magic mary's to try this week, to see if the hype about those is all it's cracked up to be) but I do try to stay on top of it these days or I'd have a £10k bike in the garage and no car
I'm old enough to be aware that whatever I buy today, there'll be something shinier tomorrow.
The new amflows look mega, and I'm sure everyone who buys one will be really happy. I'd love a bit more power because I'm a heavy guy, but over paying my mortgage seems like the wiser option given the current economy
You do realize that you can get an Avinox equipped bike and detune it to SL power level for a very slight weight penatly on some models, right ?
The Avinox system is just much more versatile, this sytem is blurring the line between SL & full power.
I do agree with you as the power is too much for daily use, but it's there if you want to use it and you will get more than a few pebbles when reselling the bike (at least for the next few years while the hype is there).
The good thing is that Amflow is a very good ebike to lesser price than most similar ebike so other brands has to drop the price to compete.
Imagine if your a bigger manufacturer who had the opportunity to use DJI and you passed. We know they tried to pitch their system to bigger brands that said no, now DJI is giving them the best middle finger ever.
I don't know who all they approached and were told thanks, but no thanks, but lets imagine Trek or Spesh are 2 of those companies. OOPS!!! Could have signed a really sweet deal and maybe been the only company with that system for a small period of time.. would have pulled either company right out of the gutter and cratered the other.
I don't know who all they approached and were told thanks, but no thanks, but lets imagine Trek or Spesh are 2 of those companies. OOPS!!! Could have signed a really sweet deal and maybe been the only company with that system for a small period of time.. would have pulled either company right out of the gutter and cratered the other.
With the new motors and extra power, we should get much more range if tuned down, right? This is just me- I do not need all that power. I do not even need 85/90 NM. So let;s say I tune it down to 60 NM and lower the Assist levels as well, how much vertical climbing (miles are irrelevant here) can I get? Maybe 7,000 ft? Someone needs to test this.
Highland Wheels
Well-known member
Have you been living under a rock for the last 6 months?
New model and motor were hardly a surpise release
New model and motor were hardly a surpise release
Indeed. Seems that wishfull thinking played a trick on my memory here. But we till can hope that someone cross tests the new extenders with the M1 environment. Volabike extenders and others show thats basically no problem to hotplug external batteries but I still was hoping avinox would provide an in house solution to prevent us from buying third party solutions.
Plummet
Flash Git
Ride ya bike and enjoy it.
New embt tech is being released out all the time. 5 minutes later everyone's emtbs are superseded.
Just like a buying a computer.... as soon as you buy it theres something better released.
Suck it up, and ride.
New embt tech is being released out all the time. 5 minutes later everyone's emtbs are superseded.
Just like a buying a computer.... as soon as you buy it theres something better released.
Suck it up, and ride.
The undecided
Active member
Hi sweet ride you’ve got yourself.
Although I still have serious regrets about not even trying a full power bike before splashing £6k on my mid power,I just think back to one hot sunny day when I demo’ed a mid power model on my local trails and was blown away how effortless things were compared to my pedal bike.
As much as I might crave a full power bike,for me at 64 years old,post stroke and with knackered knees a lighter weight mid power bike is all I need for what and where I ride.
But….. I still intend to hire a full power bike at Glentress this summer just to “scratch that itch”.
If OP isn't willing to sell their new PL and pay the difference for a PX, then they're really not that upset about the situation. There's an available fix to the issue. If they choose to not accept it then that's their problem IMO.
Plummet
Flash Git
Also, its not like it wasnt widely published that m2 motors were on there way...
Hell i knew and im not even interested in upgrading for several more years.
OP just needs to give himself an uppercut for not doing the research before buying.
Also one assumes he got a mega deal on the old stock.... why was it so cheap? new bikes about to be released!!!!
If he paid retail.... double uppercut!
Sorry, i have little sympathy for dudes not doing the due diligence on an expensive purchase.
Hell i knew and im not even interested in upgrading for several more years.
OP just needs to give himself an uppercut for not doing the research before buying.
Also one assumes he got a mega deal on the old stock.... why was it so cheap? new bikes about to be released!!!!
If he paid retail.... double uppercut!
Sorry, i have little sympathy for dudes not doing the due diligence on an expensive purchase.
martin_m_bo
Member
This will help you
