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With regard to reliability and service, what is interesting from another thread, apparently Atherton aren't releasing their new ebike to the US market just yet because they don't have an Avinox support network established there. Avinox are insisting they have a motor support network in place before they can enter a market. So clearly Avinox also see this as an issue. I'm not too fussed about Avinox's service capability. We are not talking about a new emerging player in the industry. This is a company that is backed by a tech behemoth in DJI, so they will be putting support services in place not dissimilar to what DJI have done for their drones and cameras.What Bosch hasn't matched is the power-to-weight ratio or peak output. What Avinox hasn't matched is Bosch's reliability reputation and service coverage. @Suns_PSD summed it up well: Bosch is still the better motor for reliability and service, which matters a lot if you're mid-trail in Scotland rather than five minutes from a dealer.