Bikerchef1
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That Haibike puts me in mind of when Homer is allowed to design am car for his brothers company in the Simpson's and sends his brothers company bust!!
Pivot Amp’d Avinox
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Andre83
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They are defintely relaesed soon, saw 15 Pivot bikes with Avinonx motor in a shop in Finale Ligure (still covered though). They look a lot slimmer than the old ones (normal), but nothing extraordinary compared to the Mondracker or Unno in my opinion
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Canyon Shawn
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I’m sure they made a deal with Bosch to buy a certain number of units. I’m also sure they never made a deal to buy units from them exclusively.
As a career professional working for manufacturers (in a different consumer market), I'm thinking the bike manufacturer likely provides a projection for how many components they'll expect to buy; with a commitment to buy a minimum quantity. This commitment could determine their unique per unit cost; along with the ability to further lower the per unit cost through a volume incentive rebate (VIR) if their purchases exceed a certain quantity.
As for exclusivity; I bet Bosch would love to be in the position to demand exclusivity across Pivot's entire lineup. I just don't think they can right now.
Cactus Jack Slade
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I'd be all over this bike if it were not for the STUPID SUPER BOOST 157mm rear hub spacing! why.... Why..... WHY?! Yes I know it makes the wheel a bit stronger - but with wheel building tech today, carbon rims... we do not need it IMO! I want to be able to use all my other STANDARD BOOST wheels on any of my bikes.
...agree. i had no idea that Pivot was SB when this thread started. Having learned that, i'm out.
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Shuttle AMP'd
Built for riders who don’t dial it back, the AMP’d is a showcase of what the Avinox M2S can unleash when paired with a chassis forged through two decades of suspension design. With 150mm of rear travel paired to a 160mm fork and a gravity-inspired build, it hits hard and charges deep, while...
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TheMirrorVision
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I was super excited for this bike, but as an XL rider they lost me with the same short 443mm chainstay length across every single size. I thought they were learning and the chainstay adjustability in the recent Shuttle LT gave me hope, but alas I will look elsewhere for something better designed for taller riders.
sethimus
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What is it you're after with longer chain stays?
I will admit I have not ridden a bike with long chainstays (other than my gen 2 Shuttle AM, which is the longest I have ever ridden), but I just went to a switchblade from my Norco Optic for my pedal bike and around Central Texas I think its perfect. We have very tight and twisty trails, which is maybe where short chainstays shine, but the bike is freaking excellent. So many people ride pivots with short stays here and they are wildly popular in the area.
PS: I am 6'3 ~ 193 cm on a size large. Ive been going back to shorter bikes and they ride so great after years on super long reach XLs
I will admit I have not ridden a bike with long chainstays (other than my gen 2 Shuttle AM, which is the longest I have ever ridden), but I just went to a switchblade from my Norco Optic for my pedal bike and around Central Texas I think its perfect. We have very tight and twisty trails, which is maybe where short chainstays shine, but the bike is freaking excellent. So many people ride pivots with short stays here and they are wildly popular in the area.
PS: I am 6'3 ~ 193 cm on a size large. Ive been going back to shorter bikes and they ride so great after years on super long reach XLs
Junior, you ride short bikes relative to your size, and it places a lot of weight on the front end, so you don't have the front-end traction problems that others experience.
When you swapped your Levo SL from MX to 29er I think most of the handling improvement that you felt was the lengthening of the chainstays.
Also, DW link Pivots ride really tall and usually aren't as slack up front, also negating some of the need for longer CS. It turns out that there is definitely more to it than just front-end length to rear end length. Where the weight sits on the bike, where the rider is located, how much the suspension sits low, etc. all matters.
I had a SJ with adjustable CS length, and I was much faster on the longer CS length because I could just fly through the turns. My new Wild also feels very balanced.
PS. The MRI tech this morning would not tell me what she saw as it can affect her licensing, but when I asked what she saw in my knee, her eyes got big and she just shook her head. LOL. I think I'm pretty screwed over here with this damn thing.
bmwpowere36m3
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Its a preference thing and usually more impactful to larger riders when the rear end doesn't grow as proportionally across frame sizes. Usually M/L frames are quite proportional in general. Granted some manufacturers tend to the shorter stay and others longer.
Longer stays generally provide more front end grip and more neutral or rearward riding stance... whereas with short stays you really need to attack and be over the front. Shorter stays also "cut" or corner a bit quicker.
TheMirrorVision
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Yes, and riding in Southern California has many steep climbs I like to ride up, and longer chain stays are essential for improving rear wheel traction and reducing the likelihood of the front end lifting on these climbs. I understand short chain stays benefit certain geographies better as well, which is why I was hoping Pivot would have added the dual position chainstay on the AMP'd like they did on the LT.
Not working at Pivot, I obviously don't understand their internal product strategy, but as a consumer it feels like they are all over the place in terms of adding then taking away useful new features across the latest analog and electric bikes they've recently launched
RickBullotta
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I really don't think a Fox 38 was required for this build. Would have liked a Fox 36 option to save a pound up front. And I'm still strongly anti-SuperBoost. But it's a sweet bike otherwise.
I would like to demo an Amp’d but in my next bike will likely be a longer travel like the LT. I’m just not buying a Bosch though so the next one likely won’t be a Pivot. It’s a shame because my Phoenix area location makes me gravitate towards Pivot.
TheKaiser
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That is a real bummer about the knee, I'm sorry to hear it is not looking good. Was it crash related or was it a sort of normal use situation and it just gave out?
You could pop over the border and get dosed up on stem cells and who knows what else.
Actually, I think the weaker strengths of those mixes are available in TX now, so if you want to try to avoid surgery it might not even require a border crossing.That is a real bummer about the knee, I'm sorry to hear it is not looking good. Was it crash related or was it a sort of normal use situation and it just gave out?
You could pop over the border and get dosed up on stem cells and who knows what else.
The knee was operated on when I was but a young lad from my motocross racing days. I had reinjured it many times and knew it wasn't right but it was highly functional. About 2 days per month it would ache but otherwise it was totally fine.
Junior and I went for a ride last week and it was already hurting pretty good, I should have skipped the ride as I was riding gingerly but my first ride on the Wild went very well and I was eager to get out again.
Anyways, I made a dumb error, stuck that leg out, and hyperextended the knee, and that's all she wrote.
It's swollen, it clicks, it doesn't bend right; in short, I'm f*cked.
If it's just the meniscus I've heard that they put a little robotic thing in there and the knee is like good to go nearly immediately. ACL is a much longer recovery.
I'll have a plan from the doctor in about 2 weeks.
I guess I will have to try a longer chainstay bike one day. I feel like a steeper seat tube helps a lot with the climbing steep stuff, which we have an absurd amount of in Central Texas. South Austin has lots of limestone cliffs and the climbs are short, but steep, technical, loose and ledgy - all places where my even shorter new bike should suffer, but it doesn't.Yes, and riding in Southern California has many steep climbs I like to ride up, and longer chain stays are essential for improving rear wheel traction and reducing the likelihood of the front end lifting on these climbs. I understand short chain stays benefit certain geographies better as well, which is why I was hoping Pivot would have added the dual position chainstay on the AMP'd like they did on the LT.
Not working at Pivot, I obviously don't understand their internal product strategy, but as a consumer it feels like they are all over the place in terms of adding then taking away useful new features across the latest analog and electric bikes they've recently launched
Edit: Anyone hating on Pivot's geo without riding one is doing themselves a disservice. The bike is so efficient and when you are pedaling in slow, chunky, steep climbs the rear end stays high in the travel, provides incredible efficiency, and remains incredibly active. I am coming from a short travel, high pivot bike too, the Norco Optic. The pivot does all the high pivot stuff even better honestly. There is a reason 95% of my main group rides nothing but pivots
Already saw an Amp’d at Hawes. You’d almost think locals get a discount there’s so many Pivots around here!
Guy had that sexy black colorway.
Guy had that sexy black colorway.
Off the top of my head, I'm counting eight of us on new or near new Pivots. There are a few others in my extended crew who ride those "other" bikes. It's not like they're bad people or anything. They're just a little... misguided.
would like to know as well for short local rides
hard to see what paint work on the frame is really like, flat ?? , boring of has some depth to it? its the only option i can order at present. thanksAlready saw an Amp’d at Hawes. You’d almost think locals get a discount there’s so many Pivots around here!
Guy had that sexy black colorway.
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Your first point is not unreasonable. My 2025 AM had a 36 and I was happy. My 2026 AM has a Zeb, which I like a little better. But my example is like comparing apples to... another variety of apples. The Superboost Bigotry is unfounded, from my perspective. I think everyone agrees that SuperBoost is technically superior. The gripe seems to be interchangeability between bikes. If I recall correctly, I might have swapped wheels on my bikes back in the 2000's, but can't remember why. And I'm always tempted to buy a new bike with cheap wheels and then install my old "good" wheels. But I never do because I want my new bike to look like a new bike. If I had to make a choice, I'd opt for the new Super Duper Boost standard.
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RN611
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Greetings and congrats on your decision.It's the new M2 motor and bigger (but not 900) battery. I just bought the Shuttle LT knowing this was coming. I still don't get the Avinox hype. I've done loads of miles on an AmFlow, and it's a great system, but genuinely and objectively no better than the latest Bosch G5 (G4.1). The power is totally unnecessary if you still want to pedal and work, there's still no range extender on either M1 or M2, and the M1 rattles.
Totally happy with my 21kg Shuttle LT which can be widely adjusted into different bikes, with the reliable, traction-rich, equally light G5 motor. Plus, I switch between 600 and 800 and 800+RE depending on the day out.
The Amp'd has a more handsome silhouette, but other than that, Shuttle LT all day long for me.
Style of bike first, Geometry preference next, Looks third, then the motor now becomes a qualifier, as all the motors are now superb.
Happy trails all
Same here and got the same bike LT with the Bosch gen 5 that I already have on a Santa Cruz vala and can’t speak Goff enough of the cx gen 5 system.
I really can’t ask for more really.
However i haven’t seen any of the LT in the basic configuration out or in pictures.
Any pics of the LT with the gen 5 that you can share?
Thank you and happy trails.
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