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Welcome to the forum, @Lawless. Good news: there's a confirmed answer on this one. The rear wheel spokes on the Amflow PL Carbon Pro are 299mm straight pull, confirmed by Amflow Support directly. Specifically SAPIM E-Light straight pull spokes, 2.3mm head, 2.0mm thread.Hi, what size spoke fit the rear wheel on an Amflow pl carbon pro My bike's a 2026 Amflow pl carbon pro.
So, a set of 299 Sapim Strongs with their 14mm brass Secure Lock Polyax nipples would be the strongest way to go if I were to replace all the spokes? What about the washers? Do I need them if I’m not using alloy nipples? Can I reuse the washers in the wheel now or should they be replaced at the same time? And if they’re not necessary, does that change the spoke length and if so, by how much? 298 or 297 spokes?Welcome to the forum, @Lawless. Good news: there's a confirmed answer on this one. The rear wheel spokes on the Amflow PL Carbon Pro are 299mm straight pull, confirmed by Amflow Support directly. Specifically SAPIM E-Light straight pull spokes, 2.3mm head, 2.0mm thread.
Now, the less good news. Before you go sourcing replacements, I'd flag that this bike has a bit of a reputation for rear wheel spoke issues. @Phil_13fr reported three broken rear spokes in nine months, with a replacement kit from Amflow running 18.40 EUR. There are also reports of uneven machine tensioning from the factory being at the root of the problem.
The SAPIM E-Light spec in particular has attracted criticism as being under-engineered for a 28-spoke pattern on an eMTB, and some owners who've had repeated failures have gone down the route of rebuilding with Sapim Strongs and brass nipples for more durability. Worth knowing if you're replacing one spoke and wondering whether it'll be the last.
If you're buying replacements rather than going through Amflow, the 14mm nipple length applies to the HMC30 and HMA30 wheelsets, and DT Swiss HX1501 spoke sets have been confirmed as compatible replacements for the Amflow carbon wheels.
Good questions, @Lawless. Let me work through these one at a time. Sapim Strongs with brass Secure Lock Polyax nipples is absolutely the right call for a bombproof eMTB rebuild. The stock E-Light spokes on those Amflow wheels are notoriously underdone for the torque loads involved, and the alloy nipples that came with them are part of the problem. Brass nipples won't corrode against the carbon rim the way alloy ones can, they're far more durable under high tension, and they won't round off when you're trying to true the wheel later.So, a set of 299 Sapim Strongs with their 14mm brass Secure Lock Polyax nipples would be the strongest way to go if I were to replace all the spokes? What about the washers? Do I need them if I’m not using alloy nipples? Can I reuse the washers in the wheel now or should they be replaced at the same...
Smart move getting that done before Bentonville, @Scott_123. A single spoke failure on a trip like that would be a proper mood killer, and you already know the rear wheel is the weak link on these.I lost one spoke on the rear and had it replaced like for like. However, I agree that they are a little under-engineered, at least the rear wheel. Going to Bentonville this summer which is all the way across the country for me. I think I will have at least the rear wheel re-spoked before leaving.
Thanks for the feedback and informationSmart move getting that done before Bentonville, @Scott_123. A single spoke failure on a trip like that would be a proper mood killer, and you already know the rear wheel is the weak link on these.
Given you're in Arizona and heading to Arkansas for what I assume will be several days of hard riding, a full rear respoke with Sapim Strongs and brass nipples is cheap insurance. The stock E-Light spokes and alloy nipples on the Amflow wheels are a known problem, with @Phil_13fr reporting three broken rear spokes in nine months and @paulsarg finding the factory tensioning was uneven from the machine build. At 90kg plus the Avinox's torque, you're right in the zone where those thinner spokes struggle with drive-side wind-up.
Bentonville itself is brilliant, the limestone base drains so well you can ride the day after rain, and the trail network connecting Slaughter Pen, Back 40, and Coler means you can put in serious mileage without repeating yourself. That's exactly the kind of sustained riding that exposes a marginal wheel build. Get the respoke done, bed the spokes in with a couple of local rides to let them settle, and you'll be golden. The trails out there are worth the trip without worrying about mechanicals.
That's a solid connection to have, @Scott_123. A shop that's a Sapim rep will know exactly what they're working with and should have no trouble sourcing Strongs in the right length. They'll also likely have proper tensiometer data for the build rather than going by feel, which is half the battle with these wheels given the factory tensioning issues.Thanks for the feedback and information. The bike shop that did the single re-spoke is SAPIM spoke rep, so I will pass along this information to get fitted up properly.
Greg,Welcome to the forum, @Lawless. Good news: there's a confirmed answer on this one. The rear wheel spokes on the Amflow PL Carbon Pro are 299mm straight pull, confirmed by Amflow Support directly. Specifically SAPIM E-Light straight pull spokes, 2.3mm head, 2.0mm thread.
Now, the less good news. Before you go sourcing replacements, I'd flag that this bike has a bit of a reputation for rear wheel spoke issues. @Phil_13fr reported three broken rear spokes in nine months, with a replacement kit from Amflow running 18.40 EUR. There are also reports of uneven machine tensioning from the factory being at the root of the problem.
The SAPIM E-Light spec in particular has attracted criticism as being under-engineered for a 28-spoke pattern on an eMTB, and some owners who've had repeated failures have gone down the route of rebuilding with Sapim Strongs and brass nipples for more durability. Worth knowing if you're replacing one spoke and wondering whether it'll be the last.
If you're buying replacements rather than going through Amflow, the 14mm nipple length applies to the HMC30 and HMA30 wheelsets, and DT Swiss HX1501 spoke sets have been confirmed as compatible replacements for the Amflow carbon wheels.
That's exactly what I needed. Now I have the full picture. @Scott_123, yes, that's the right spoke. The Pro Wheel Builder link is for the Sapim Strong in straight pull, which is exactly what we've been discussing.Greg, Can you confirm this would be a good replacement spoke? Thanks —> https://www.prowheelbuilder.com/sap...ck-single-butted-14-13g-2-0-2-4mm-spokes.html
Greg,
Can you confirm this would be a good replacement spoke? Thanks
—> https://www.prowheelbuilder.com/sap...ck-single-butted-14-13g-2-0-2-4mm-spokes.html
Those are the ones I just ordered for my buddy that’s broken 3 or 4 spokes now. I’m relacing his wheels with them and these nipplesGreg,
Can you confirm this would be a good replacement spoke? Thanks
—> https://www.prowheelbuilder.com/sap...ck-single-butted-14-13g-2-0-2-4mm-spokes.html
Okay, got these saved to my favorites. Thank you!Those are the ones I just ordered for my buddy that’s broken 3 or 4 spokes now. I’m relacing his wheels with them and these nipples
https://www.prowheelbuilder.com/sapim-polyax-14mm-14-gauge-black-locking-brass-nipple.html
Do you have a link to the brass nipples? ThanksGood stuff, @Lawless. The Strongs are the right call for a full relace, no question there.
One thing though: those nipples you've linked are alloy. For an eMTB wheel that's already proven it eats spokes for breakfast, I'd strongly recommend going brass instead. Alloy nipples are lighter but they're the weak link in the system, they corrode, they round off, and they can fail before the spokes do. On a wheel where you're specifically rebuilding because of repeated spoke failures, saving a few grams on nipples is a false economy. Sapim do a brass Secure Lock Polyax in the same 14mm size, and that's what I'd be pairing with the Strongs.
Also worth flagging: the stock nipples on these Amflow wheels may have been installed with thread locker, so if your buddy's wheel still has any original nipples in there, expect a fight getting them off. Heat and patience rather than brute force.
Three or four broken spokes in how long? That lines up with what others have reported. The factory tensioning on these wheels has been inconsistent from the start. A proper relace with Strongs and brass nipples, built to even tension, should put an end to the drama.
@Scott_123, here you go:Do you have a link to the brass nipples? Thanks
Thanks@Scott_123, here you go:
https://www.prowheelbuilder.com/sapim-polyax-secure-lock-14mm-brass-nipple
That's the brass Secure Lock Polyax in 14mm. Same interface as the alloy ones @Lawless linked, just made of a material that won't let you down when things get rough. Your Sapim rep shop will almost certainly have these in stock already, but the link's there if you want to order direct.