New Bullit, best settings to maximise range without sacrificing power?

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Hi all,

Just had my new Bullit delivered and keen to learn all about the best settings for the Bosch system to maximise range with turning the power right down.

For reference I am coming from an alloy Gen 4 levo with the 840w battery and 101nm. I had to trun the bike down to get any decent range from it but after a few charges the range improved.

I also bought the range extender to run on the Bullit if required.

Im just over 100kg and our weekly ride covers around 20-26 miles and about 1800ft -2500ft depending where we ride.

The Levo had 3 settings and I tended to run it in the middle setting.

What are the best settings to use on the Bosch system to get the best range without sacrificing to much assistance?
 
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Non Cruz, Bosch user here. Try eMTB, it automatically adjusts power needed. If you can get to Bosch upgrade to 100N and 750W with eMTB+ click that in for extra steep bits if needed but it eats battery.
 
Was looking forward to getting a Bullit but that 600wh battery is a deal breaker for the 100kg+ club. It effectively makes their "full power" bikes into SL rigs for large humans (at least those of us who drink water).

Adding 2lbs to a 100kg guy's bike is a very minor trade off for all the laps.

We're at a point now with EMTB's where batteries should be size specific, and downtubes should ideally accommodate every size in case someone wants (or needs) to customize. Battery sizing is a sizing issue, full stop.
 
I run the following on my Crestline

Eco+ 60nm
Tour + 70nm
Emtb 85nm
Emtb+ 100nm

Tour + at 70nm gets good range.

Noting there is no free lunch. Want more power use more battery. Its that simple, you either exchange legs and lungs for motor and battery or vise versa.
 
Blownoutrides said:
Was looking forward to getting a Bullit but that 600wh battery is a deal breaker for the 100kg+ club. It effectively makes their "full power" bikes into SL rigs for large humans (at least those of us who drink water).

Adding 2lbs to a 100kg guy's bike is a very minor trade off for all the laps.

We're at a point now with EMTB's where batteries should be size specific, and downtubes should ideally accommodate every size in case someone wants (or needs) to customize. Battery sizing is a sizing issue, full stop.
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I'm in that bracket, hardly a concern , you need to understand subject better before you full stop
 
johnA said:
I'm in that bracket, hardly a concern , you need to understand subject better before you full stop
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Given this is your only post and you just joined 47 minutes ago I'm guessing you're either a bot or a troll, but either way you clearly have a difficult time with math. Let me know if you'd like me to take you to school.
 
I’m considering the Bullit for my first emtb, only thing that concerns me the most is the 600w battery. What kind of range/elevation gain are typical users getting? I’m 6’3 and weigh 200lbs. I know there is a battery extender and I would get that as well. So if there’s any reviews that show range/elevation gain with and without the extender, would be greatly appreciated.
 
Embracestardumb said:
I’m considering the Bullit for my first emtb, only thing that concerns me the most is the 600w battery. What kind of range/elevation gain are typical users getting? I’m 6’3 and weigh 200lbs. I know there is a battery extender and I would get that as well. So if there’s any reviews that show range/elevation gain with and without the extender, would be greatly appreciated.
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Not a bullit owner but I've got the same motor with an 800wh battery on my norco.

I'm 240lb and can just barely get 6,000' of elevation with a 800wh battery. Rough math would put me at 4,500' with a 600wh which sounds about right for using 75% battery.

Since I weigh 1.2x your 200lbs, at 200lbs you could expect 1.2x the elevation so 5,400'.

My zone is fairly steep - each lap is 1,000' feet and 4 miles for the complete loop. If your zone is less steep you might burn a bit more battery to get the same elevation.

Obviously this is rough math and someone your weight on a Bullit / Vala would be a more accurate measurement but hopefully that's helpful.
 
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Blownoutrides said:
Not a bullit owner but I've got the same motor with an 800wh battery on my norco.

I'm 240lb and can just barely get 6,000' of elevation with a 800wh battery. Rough math would put me at 4,500' with a 600wh which sounds about right for using 75% battery.

Since I weigh 1.2x your 200lbs, at 200lbs you could expect 1.2x the elevation so 5,400'.

My zone is fairly steep - each lap is 1,000' feet and 4 miles for the complete loop. If your zone is less steep you might burn a bit more battery to get the same elevation.

Obviously this is rough math and someone your weight on a Bullit / Vala would be a more accurate measurement but hopefully that's helpful.
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In turbo or eMTB mode?
 
I was able to get my hands on an XL GX build of the Bullit. I think I rode like 95% in turbo and got 18.43 miles and 3,910ft of elevation gain.
 
As many have already referred, range is definitely a balance between the two power sources:
Human Power
Motor Power

Besides settings, how you use the mods, will ditacted your range (on the same trails, of course!).

For the most used modes (Eco/Tour), I setup lower torque (Nm) as well as lower max power (Watts).
You then can mess around with assistance and the other settings, to your liking, but knowing before hand that +, will consume more.

The other mods I have is eMTB+, standard settings and Turbo, set to full max everything.
I only use Turbo, to recover or to complete a ride that I'm totally echausted, or to have a short ride and as many DH laps possible
 
Plummet said:
The setting I find gives me the best bang for my wh buck is Tour+ 70nm with 500w max output.
I requires a bit more lungs and legs but goes 95% as fast as higher settings burning a lot more power.
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I did your settings and today rode 98% on Tour+ and did 28 miles and 5,750ft of elevation gain. I could see myself using that setting for solo days and to emtb+ and turbo on group rides.
 
Embracestardumb said:
I did your settings and today rode 98% on Tour+ and did 28 miles and 5,750ft of elevation gain. I could see myself using that setting for solo days and to emtb+ and turbo on group rides.
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Nice, was that 600wh battery?
If so a very worthy effort.
 
200lb rider, not being careful with battery in turbo - and going to 0%/flat near top of last climb. Pedalled up the rest. 4356 feet.

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Don't forget rolling resistance... if you can sacrifice grip or casing thickness it will get you noticeably further
 
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