Need advice/help: New Turbo Levo delivered damaged - IBKBIKE (Spain) refusing to help

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Hi everyone,

I need some advice or help regarding a nightmare situation. I bought a brand-new Specialized Turbo Levo from IBKBIKE in Spain. It was delivered 2 months ago with a deeply scratched fork (damage caused by FedEx during transit).

Since then, the seller has been blocking everything, refusing to repair or replace the part. They keep shifting the blame onto FedEx, leaving me with a €5,000 bike that I cannot use.

I have already contacted Specialized France, but the situation is still stuck. Has anyone else had similar issues with this dealer? It’s truly disappointing to see such poor service for a premium brand like Specialized.
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I live in the USA so I can only speak for how we deal with FedEx, UPS, DHL or any transporter. The person who receives the product can refuse if they see damage. From that point forward it is between the carrier and the supplier, not the end user. However if the end user accepts the product and signs the shipping receipt they are responsible.

In the USA if the bike shop accepts shipment with damage, the bike shop is responsible not the consumer who bought the bike. On the flip side if your bike is direct to consumer and the consumer signs the shipping receipt they are responsible.

The person receiving the product has the first right of refusal. Specialized deals with damage all the time and in this case it looks like the damage occurred after it left their shipping facility.

I worked for a global manufacturer in the US for 30 years and this was normal protocol in the USA.
 
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Yeah, anything expensive and prone to shipping damage needs to be received in person so it can be inspected before accepting delivery. Once you accept delivery nobody knows the damage didn’t happen after it was received. That’s your challenge.
 
Hello ,
In France, the procedure is clear: if a package is delivered with visible damage, you must write 'formal reservations' (réserves) on the delivery note. This is exactly what I did. Therefore, the damage was officially reported at the time of delivery, and the responsibility of the carrier is engaged. Thank you for your feedback.
 
Hello ,
In France, the procedure is clear: if a package is delivered with visible damage, you must write 'formal reservations' (réserves) on the delivery note. This is exactly what I did. Therefore, the damage was officially reported at the time of delivery, and the responsibility of the carrier is engaged. Thank you for your feedback.
Sounds like you have a handle on the situation then. The responsibility is on the carrier. You even somehow confirmed the damage happened after the package left the warehouse. Not sure why you’re shit talking the bike manufacturer like they’re failing to take responsibility.
 
Sounds like you have a handle on the situation then. The responsibility is on the carrier. You even somehow confirmed the damage happened after the package left the warehouse. Not sure why you’re shit talking the bike manufacturer like they’re failing to take responsibility.
The responsibility for the damage may well be on the carrier but the end responsibility for correcting the damage lies with the supplier who may or may not get reimbursed for damage incurred during shipping. The supplier is the customer of the carrier and it should fall on the bike supplier to resolve the problem with their customer! After all FedEx can't fix or replace the bike. Anyone who buys a Specialized bike from an approved dealer of that brand is perfectly entitled to complain of a service problem to the manufacturer and if still not satisfied throw some :poop: around!

P.S. Normally in the EU you can return items for a full refund without reason for up to 30 days after receipt but since, according to the OP, it was received 2 months ago, that option is no longer available. I have no idea what the legal situation is with regard to an on ongoing dispute of this nature beyond it being down to the supplier!
 
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In Germany it's not unusual for people to have legal insurance to cover this kind of crap.
Sorry this doesn't help you now.
 
Hopefully you paid by credit card? If yes, speak to card company and demand a charge back (i.e. refund)
This is the answer if you paid by credit card & cannot obtain a response from the retailer.
Sounds like you have a handle on the situation then. The responsibility is on the carrier. You even somehow confirmed the damage happened after the package left the warehouse. Not sure why you’re shit talking the bike manufacturer like they’re failing to take responsibility.
No it isn't. The contract is with the retailer. They nominate the carrier & are responsible for managing any issues arising since the consignee has no say in who delivers the bike. And in the absence of a reasonable or infact any response from the retailer, it is logical to inform the manufacturer to request an intervention.
 
This is the answer if you paid by credit card & cannot obtain a response from the retailer.

No it isn't. The contract is with the retailer. They nominate the carrier & are responsible for managing any issues arising since the consignee has no say in who delivers the bike. And in the absence of a reasonable or infact any response from the retailer, it is logical to inform the manufacturer to request an intervention.
The more we learn about this the mistake is obvious. You should have never accepted delivery of the package when you saw it was damaged. It should’ve been refused.

Kind of besides the point but the buyer does decide who delivers the bike when its purchased. You chose freight delivery. This is a prime example why I choose a LBS to deliver my bike instead of choosing a freight company to bring a box to my door. A LBS pickup is much safer and knowledgeable about bikes obviously. Usually the bike is delivered to you assembled too.
 
Kind of besides the point but the buyer does decide who delivers the bike when its purchased.
As far as I am aware that is not the way it works in the EU. Invariably retailers have a contract with a specific carrier so the buyer does not have a choice or an option to request a different way of shipping!
 
Yeah it's wrong. The options are collect from store - the op is in France, the store is in Spain or use the store's nominated carrier for which the op has no choice. Could have checked the website but why bother doing that when vibes & breezy confidence are enough?
 
A temporary fix is to use nail polish laquer to temporarily fill in the gap and wet sand smooth with emory cloth. Next thing register the fork with the maker of it and see if you can open a warranty ticket with them. It's not too difficult to remove a fork and a Local Bike store should have a box laying around to ship it in. IDK if bike flights operates in Europe but it is preferable to having a ground carrier ship it.
 
The problem is not the brand itself, but the dealer IBKBIKE. They are offering no solutions. I made the mistake of applying protective film to the bike; initially, they told me it wasn't an issue and even asked for the invoice for the film. However, they have now changed their position. They are demanding that I return the bike in 'perfect condition' and without the film. The bike is currently disassembled and repacked (a 2-hour job), but they refuse to listen to reason. My anger is directed solely at IBKBIKE.
 
Very annoying when that kind of thing unfortunately happens and know it doesn't help but I would never buy something so expensive online but at LBS that will provide better service than any internet store will manage
 
The problem is not the brand itself, but the dealer IBKBIKE. They are offering no solutions. I made the mistake of applying protective film to the bike; initially, they told me it wasn't an issue and even asked for the invoice for the film. However, they have now changed their position. They are demanding that I return the bike in 'perfect condition' and without the film. The bike is currently disassembled and repacked (a 2-hour job), but they refuse to listen to reason. My anger is directed solely at IBKBIKE.
Well this brings up the second thing was the package insured with the carrier? Never hurts to add it on before shipping. You should be able to open a claim with the carrier in general and the insurance in particular.
 
Has anyone else had similar issues with this dealer?
Yeah I've been in your situation with IBK. Personally I'm never buying anything from them again.
I bought an Orbea wild where the cassettes nut kept unscreewing itself all the time. They told me to contact shimano(shimanos hub was the issue) and started to reply in spannish when I questioned their logic. F them.
Best of luck to you
 
if the price was really interesting, IMHO the less bad solution would be to fine sand paper the scratch and ride the bike. You could always change the CSU in the future if you see that oil is leaking or the seals are being eaten
 
As far as I am aware that is not the way it works in the EU. Invariably retailers have a contract with a specific carrier so the buyer does not have a choice or an option to request a different way of shipping!
You can have the bike delivered to you by hand at a LBS or you can receive it via freight. That's the delivery options I'm thinking of.
 
If you can't get any help with it you could contact Fox for a stanchion replacement. I had to do that with my Fox 36 a couple years ago and it cost around $300 usd. Sent the fork to them.
 
The problem is not the brand itself, but the dealer IBKBIKE. They are offering no solutions. I made the mistake of applying protective film to the bike; initially, they told me it wasn't an issue and even asked for the invoice for the film. However, they have now changed their position. They are demanding that I return the bike in 'perfect condition' and without the film. The bike is currently disassembled and repacked (a 2-hour job), but they refuse to listen to reason. My anger is directed solely at IBKBIKE.

Sounds like they are offering a solution... they want the bike back and potentially give you a refund? Are they paying for return shipping?

I can see your annoyed since you already wrapped the bike. Either eat $100-150 on the wrap, deal with shipping bike, getting new bike, re-wrapping. I'd just sand/polish the stanchion, ride on and lesson learned. Could always get a new CSU for $300-400 in the future. To me the least "costly" in terms of time/patience/money.

Though I'm surprised, they don't offer a credit/refund, replacement CSU or replacement fork. Shipping an eMTB, at least in the US, is like $300-400 easily.
 
Yeah, anything expensive and prone to shipping damage needs to be received in person so it can be inspected before accepting delivery. Once you accept delivery nobody knows the damage didn’t happen after it was received. That’s your challenge.
Totally irrelevant in the EU. Consumer laws protect us from situations like this - no idea how it works over there, but here the power is with the consumer not the retailer.

Just think about it for a moment... what happens if the item in the box is damaged but the packaging is pristine? I can still make a claim against the retailer that the goods were not received in a satisfactory condition, with the appropriate proof.

Sounds like you have a handle on the situation then. The responsibility is on the carrier. You even somehow confirmed the damage happened after the package left the warehouse. Not sure why you’re shit talking the bike manufacturer like they’re failing to take responsibility.
Did you read the OP? Nowhere was there any shit talking about Specialized... it was purely about the service being offered on their behalf.

why the 2 months wait before issuing a complaint?
Doesn't read like the OP waited two months, reads like it has been two months since it happened and they are, unfortunately, still not able to get the issue resolved to their satisfaction.

The more we learn about this the mistake is obvious. You should have never accepted delivery of the package when you saw it was damaged. It should’ve been refused.

Kind of besides the point but the buyer does decide who delivers the bike when its purchased. You chose freight delivery. This is a prime example why I choose a LBS to deliver my bike instead of choosing a freight company to bring a box to my door. A LBS pickup is much safer and knowledgeable about bikes obviously. Usually the bike is delivered to you assembled too.
Unless you know something we don't, the OP bought the bike and had it shipped by the retailer's delivery service. I highly doubt that they bought the bike, arranged their own transport and then are complaining about said retailer not willing to do anything about the problem - otherwise they'd have told him to jog on already.

You keep equating your own personal experience and preferences to this situation and presenting them as fact, when they are merely opinion.

How do you think the bikes get to the LBS you are so fond of in the first place? Do you think they don't have to deal with this shit sometimes? I know mine has... and business-to-business transactions lack all manner of the protection us consumers are afforded.

The problem is not the brand itself, but the dealer IBKBIKE. They are offering no solutions. I made the mistake of applying protective film to the bike; initially, they told me it wasn't an issue and even asked for the invoice for the film. However, they have now changed their position. They are demanding that I return the bike in 'perfect condition' and without the film. The bike is currently disassembled and repacked (a 2-hour job), but they refuse to listen to reason. My anger is directed solely at IBKBIKE.
Okay, this is weird. What chain of events led you to feeling that you should put frame protection on the bike whilst there was still an outstanding issue with the forks?

Had they promised you a replacement fork at that point? And even if you have put something on the frame... take it off and return it? Are you angling for a refund on the frame protection and this is your only sticking point?

Also... what are the consumer laws/rights in Spain for distance purchasing?
 
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@dotcodotuk what you’re missing is that if you buy a bike from a LBS you can easily confirm its condition upon pickup.
At least in the US there’s a saying “possession is 9/10 of the law.” The key is to not take possession until you’re comfortable with the condition of whatever you’re buying. Again, the huge mistake by OP was taking possession of a package that they saw was damaged. They should have refused delivery. I suspect (understandable) excitement to get their new bike got the better of them.
 
Before I retired the company I worked for —> https://www.trane.com/commercial/north-america/us/en.html
We would simply eat a small item like that and send the customer a new part and have them ship the damaged one back, regardless of who was at fault. Not worth the labor and effort to haggle over something like that.
Yea when I worked for a major loudspeaker manufacturer i handled it that same way. I’d replace the item with no questions asked. I considered it a marketing decision. Conversely, when I worked for a major display (television) manufacturer I wasn’t as accommodating; and I fielded a LOT of broken screens that were claimed as broken out of the box.
I still stand by my contention that it’s risky to accept delivery of an item with a damaged box.
 
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