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Yes sorry I saw SX and thought you meant the Bosch SX 400 models which are cheaper.
If it is the best, why doesn’t every bike have the Avinox system?
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It’s a bloody shame commencal don’t produce carbon. Their bikes are always so bloody heavy. The Gen 5 Bosch Meta with 800wh battery is 25.5kg in small with no pedals 
The Velduro frameset is available to preorder now in the UK for £4.5k April delivery
Yeah, I've put a deposit down. Not sure yet whether I will go through with it. There should be a demo bike available soon, but I've heard only a large, and I'm a medium.
KillerbeeDH
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I am not seeing DI2 integration for autoshift features on Avinox. It seems to me that the faster Shimano shifting would be a no brainer for aggressive ebike use. Sram is so slow (even on a pedal bike), even with the new firmware.
Gianna@3
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Avinox bikes are still niche due to R&D and production limits, but 2026 could see wider availability. Precision matters—whether in bike tech or keeping a sharp Low Fade Haircut.
Besides points already mentioned; bike manufacturers surely make commitments to motor suppliers that besides including purchase volume; very likely include exclusivity agreements. They're likely contractually restricted from selling bikes with a competing motor system. You know they're testing them though.
Maybe the Avinox motor isn't as great as the Tik-Tokers, Snapple Chatters, and Instagramers say it is. If the Avinox motor proves its ability to withstand harsh abuse, and the company exhibits the ability to provide replacements in a matter of days, then maybe customers and manufacturers will take a chance.
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Despite the fact I ride 2-3 times a week and the majority of bikes I see on the trails are ebikes. I'm yet to see a DJI/Avinox bike in the flesh yet. Probably not surprising when my city only has 2 Amflow dealers and I don't think they are moving much stock.
Stevedee
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Pre Orders are open here in NZ for Megano with DJI motors delivery looks like April/March
price are in $NZ dollars
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price are in $NZ dollars
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Social media hyperbole to say it's the best. Yes, it has.lots of power. But useless as more.ppwer equals shorter range. Plus who needs over 85nm of power. I'm 100kg and don't. The Bosch to me is far more controlled, proven track record, reliability le, hundreds of.dealers and available parts of ever needed(Ive never needing anything in over 5000 miles), latest gen 5 doesn't rattle at all. DJI went for big figures. There has been more than a few problems. Speed sensors especially and water ingress in controllers. When parts are needed, in the UK at least, there can be a huge wait on them. A lot less bike shops that you can walk into and it's supported and parts in stock.
I'm sure DJI will improve, it's a 1st Gen motor. If gen 2 version does come out and foxes some issues, it could be great. But, I'm sure Bosch/maxxon and others are well on there way to the next gen already. Sure we will see something new in the next 12 months.
I'm sure DJI will improve, it's a 1st Gen motor. If gen 2 version does come out and foxes some issues, it could be great. But, I'm sure Bosch/maxxon and others are well on there way to the next gen already. Sure we will see something new in the next 12 months.
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High prices for pretty low specs, the top range carbon is only slightly cheaper than the amflow pro.
Stevedee
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Mate was just giving you what is available in NZ right now , Avinox is out there.
I on the other hand just decided to buy a 2024 Trek Rail 9.8 AXS, got it for a song, ( I think ) and am more than happy with it, I have concluded its not about having the most powerful bike its about having one that does everything you need with good support from the local bike shop. A 2024 Rail is more bike than I will ever need. Bosch Gen 4 motor - Beautiful. Carbon frame, great suspension and brakes, I am in heaven.
I on the other hand just decided to buy a 2024 Trek Rail 9.8 AXS, got it for a song, ( I think ) and am more than happy with it, I have concluded its not about having the most powerful bike its about having one that does everything you need with good support from the local bike shop. A 2024 Rail is more bike than I will ever need. Bosch Gen 4 motor - Beautiful. Carbon frame, great suspension and brakes, I am in heaven.
Blownoutrides
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Agree with all of the above.
110kg and very happy with the gen5 Bosch. No real interest in the power update either as it will just limit range. Right now I can fit in 6x 1,000' laps in emtb / purple mode on the local in my usual ~2hr ride.
Maybe more power in turbo might be worth it for quick rides if it means an extra lap. Might do the update after all lol.
I bet the lighter guys are more fired up on more power because with 800wh they can still ride their regular amount of time but fit in more laps without worrying about a dead battery like we would. I don't think us big blokes are what's driving this market(!).
If more power was available without sacrificing weight or range I'd take a bit but I think we are very close to ideal already. I think we can maybe add another 2-3mph up the hill but any more than that might be trouble (?).
You boys know you can tailor the output any way you want, right? You want range? Turn down the NM, and ride in eco.
I disagree about intuitiveness and power delivery vs. Bosch, to me the Bosch feels clunky and lacks finesse in comparison. I’m happy to discuss downsides to the DJI system, but those are not valid complaints, imo, as they can be fixed by anyone with the app.
I disagree about intuitiveness and power delivery vs. Bosch, to me the Bosch feels clunky and lacks finesse in comparison. I’m happy to discuss downsides to the DJI system, but those are not valid complaints, imo, as they can be fixed by anyone with the app.
ozzybmx
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Agreed.
Riding my Avinox and Bosch back to back, the Avinox in auto is more powerful than the Bosch in turbo.
...and the Avinox has 3 more powerful modes, trail, turbo and boost.
Dial that back on the touchscreen or app.
Blownoutrides
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The PinkBike review concluded that the DJI is less efficient. Obviously its more powerful but even when everything was dialed back equal to the Bosch, the DJI still chewed through the same battery faster.
So if you're a big guy who needs all that range the DJI would not be the best choice. When dialed back to Bosch support levels it would basically just be a less efficient Bosch that rattles (effectively a Gen 4 Bosch).
If you're a smaller guy or just not wanting to ride as much vert, then yeah the DJI is the call assuming you don't get a rattler.
Hopefully by sea otter they'll be a new version of the DJI that's more efficient, doesn't rattle, and isn't banned in the States. If that's the case, sign me up. Until then, the Gen 5 Bosch seems like the best option for how I use my bike, but that doesn't mean it's the best option for everyone.
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ozzybmx
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Would be good to have it done by a power metre and be exact, rather than just modes. At the end of the day, it takes a certain amount of watts to get up a hill, be that by battery, human or a mix of both. The efficiency or losses cant be that much different, can only be the watts of assistance.
Similar to my Bosch, its a nightmare. Rattles like its falling apart, my Avinox is completely quiet.
I posted on another thread about the inconsistency of identical Bosch motors, looks like its the same with Avinox.
sethimus
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no they didn’t, they just set the power and torque settings equal. have a look at the different power curves, that’s where there are still differences. you need to adjust the assistance levels on the avinox way down to have similar settings.
Here’s the map of selected mode vs amplification that I made. Avinox confirmed that it’s pretty accurate.
At assist level 8, avinox is already at 300% rider input. At assist level 11, it’s at 500%.
Bosch maxes out at 400%.
If comparing efficiencies it’s super important to match these curves as close as possible (which in practice is hard to do).
Take all range tests with a pinch of salt.
At assist level 8, avinox is already at 300% rider input. At assist level 11, it’s at 500%.
Bosch maxes out at 400%.
If comparing efficiencies it’s super important to match these curves as close as possible (which in practice is hard to do).
Take all range tests with a pinch of salt.
ozzybmx
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Reviews have to be taken at face value, so many YT channels trying to stay relevant. Sponsorship skewing facts.
The 'it's in the tuning not due to motor inefficiency' argument rings hollow at times when many Avinox testers (not all!) ride together with a Bosch and they just get less range on the Avinox.
I get it, the Avinox gives more power for less input, but at the end of the day if you turn the Avinox down, you ride together at the same pace, yet the Avinox runs out of battery considerably sooner, isn't that all that matters?
Anyways, I tried to order a Rogue from the factory and they told me that they are unable to sell to me as they are on the cusp of having a US distributor. Either way, I'll almost certainly own an M2 Avinox this Spring.
Yes. `There's some knowledge gaps and opportunities for the brands to be better in explaining it here.
By the way, I have info from the brands on the exact efficiency levels as a percentage, which at the moment is not public so I'm not allowed to disclose - and they are so close to each other (albeit their own claimed data) that its the actual setup of the bike/mode that gives the biggest difference in the range.
The reality is, DJI or Avinox sales volumes in the space of powertrains for electric bicycles are a ‘rounding error‘ in accounting terms to the likes of Bosch.
If we extract ourselves from our own little bubble of the high end MTB space, and look at the bicycle market as a whole, Bosch have done & continue to sell millions of systems every year when you factor in all ebike applications. The knock on effect of that is the infrastructure & network that only DJI can dream of.
It would be naive of them to pretend they aren’t a threat & disrupter in this space, which given my history in European automotive spaces, would be very stereotypical of German manufacturing businesses & sleepwalking into a step change of manufacturing, but that is a long, long way off.
If we extract ourselves from our own little bubble of the high end MTB space, and look at the bicycle market as a whole, Bosch have done & continue to sell millions of systems every year when you factor in all ebike applications. The knock on effect of that is the infrastructure & network that only DJI can dream of.
It would be naive of them to pretend they aren’t a threat & disrupter in this space, which given my history in European automotive spaces, would be very stereotypical of German manufacturing businesses & sleepwalking into a step change of manufacturing, but that is a long, long way off.
sethimus
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because they use less of their own power and more motor power. why is that concept so hard for you to understand??
But it doesn’t though, as many of us who’ve ridden both, and taken the time to set them up comparably have proven
I rinsed an 800w Bosch in less than 1000m of vert on Monday, purely in a weather window and trying to ride as many trails as I could with the shortest way back up the hill each time. Does that represent ‘normal’ use for a Gen5 Bosch? No. By comparison I did a very similar ride on the Druid this morning & got over over 1000m (just) looking on my Garmin, my HR was similar, the Garmin load was similar, etc. Does that mean the Avinox is more efficient than the Bosch, when normalised? No.
Comparable outputs have comparable inputs. As I said elsewhere, if you run 1000w, 120nm through a Bosch & double its assistance, what do you expect will happen…
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I certainly believe that the percent differences in efficiencies are tiny, and I accept that it's in the tuning.
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For example, if you look at the efficiency difference from the best they have shown so far (Bosch CXR at 78%) vs. the worst (Pinion at 75%, and to be fair any drivetrain savings with the Pinion won't show up on this test)), that's still a relatively small difference. A 4% reduction in efficiency (3/78) isn't that much practical difference. That means that the Pinion would need an 832wh battery to match the 800w of the Bosch. So not such a big difference. But then you read reviews and indications are that the Pinion uses a LOT more battery in the real world.
So, without having seen the efficiency scores (still eager to see them), I'll accept that there is likely no significant difference in the motor's mechanical efficiencies; and any real-world difference that people experience is likely down to poor tuning choices from the units that often appear to be less efficient in practical comparisons, like the PB one.
Anyways, I no longer care that much. I tried to buy the Rogue in the last 24 hours and was rebuffed (they will set up WWC or the like where it'll be sold as a complete at high prices most likely) so I've now reached out to my regular dealer on ordering the LTe, which is heavily backordered. I'll be more than fine with either motor, it's mostly about the bike anyways. Especially where I live where we just have rugged hills, not mountains. Both of these bikes are renowned for their fantastic rear suspension design which is a priority to me.
Bontee
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Don’t they all,and once again ,they haven’t been out very long and look at Fazua who I’m sure also did all their “research in all aspects”
Blownoutrides
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I doubt Bosch would have done much to push the ball forward if DJI hadn't entered the picture. Definitely stoked DJI is in the game pushing the industry.
Didn't pick a DJI bike this round because (in order of importance):
1) Rattle
2) Range
3) US ban questions related to purchase
4) US ban questions related to support
If they iron these out over the next couple of years I'd be stoked to get a DJI bike next.
Didn't pick a DJI bike this round because (in order of importance):
1) Rattle
2) Range
3) US ban questions related to purchase
4) US ban questions related to support
If they iron these out over the next couple of years I'd be stoked to get a DJI bike next.
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