2026 motor rumors
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pinoymamba
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so are we getting a new Shimano motor? My buddy has a Bullit collecting dust and wondering if I should offer him some money. Currently on a Bosch rig and have no complaints but the Bullit VPP intrigues me. I’m too poor for Crestline and for some reason they are strictly Dji motors now. Is Dji offering these companies dirt cheap pricing just so they can saturate the market or are their motors actually good?
xtraman122
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They definitely could be to try and saturate the market, but it’s also the most in demand by consumers and the lightest system out there, offering 2 different battery sizes and some of the best performance out there. Most people would tell you it’s the motor they want the most if they were given options.
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ozzybmx
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Ok, just watched the Downtime podcast, interviewing Drew (Loam Wolf)
States 2 x power increases coming in 2026 from non disclosed manufacturers.
Vid should start at the right place. 1:16:15
States 2 x power increases coming in 2026 from non disclosed manufacturers.
Vid should start at the right place. 1:16:15
“Two more power increases.” Sounds to me like two manufacturers having a power increase, not 2x or double the power increase. Maybe that’s what you meant but when I first read your comment I’m like 2x the current power would be nuts lol.
I agree with him. I am in auto on my Avinox 100% of the time. I never hit turbo. The only reason I can see the power increase being a good thing is efficiency in the same power range. This could also affect wear/tear on the engine only utilizing the lower end of its power range.
Kind of like a 250 vs 450 dirtbike. A pro on both will destroy a 250 engine way faster than a 450 engine.
I can't get excited about further power increases. If you want more power, there are Surrons. It wouldn't even remotely resemble mountain biking anymore.
Doubling power to weight - eg a 1kg 60nm motor or a 1.4kg 100nm motor. Now that would be interesting!
Doubling power to weight - eg a 1kg 60nm motor or a 1.4kg 100nm motor. Now that would be interesting!
ozzybmx
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As above, two other manufacturers. Not double power.
Surely not thy holier than thou Bosch. UCI lobbying, sponsor of the Euro E-Enduro series... who locked in the rules right on their maximum power output, excluding all other bikes... aimed obviously at the Avinox bikes.
Have to respect their stance that trail access should not be endangered by their product offerings. But I don't think that Bosch has any choice or they will continue to shed market share.
I think Bosch should:
1) build a long skinny 800+ watt battery for improved downtube aesthetics, in spite of worse handling. At least as an option to bike manufacturers. I will say this; it absolutely does make more sense in terms of being able to run different battery sizes all in the skinny tube. Right now, Bosch bikes have to either be stuck with a 600w battery and get a skinny downtube (ie. Regulator, Bullit, etc.) or have a fat tube for 800w that works for professional racing and that you can install a 600w battery in, but it'll always look bad and also the fat tube adds weight (ie. LTe, VLT, etc.). For example, if the LTe had a skinny downtube and you could just select the 600 or 800w battery, that would be a pretty large improvement in the product.
2) offer a 1000 watt/ 28mph 'private land tune' right in the app.
3) probably should just make the CX-R the standard motor
4) needs to improve their speed pickup. They already have an option to grab the signal at the rear rotor, you just have to set it up after the fact.
Do you really believe looking back at their history that specialized is out of the game.
ozzybmx
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Agreed, but I would be very surprised to see them increase on the 750w power after making such a stance on it. Also they have been so restrictive over the years with their speed limits.
Initially I was thinking Brose but the dirty act they pulled with the pay for power rort with the S-Works bonus vs the rest of the range on the very same motor, maybe not.
ozzybmx
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In my opinion, the power is more than enough, as Brawwp above, my Avinox is always in Auto mode, very rarely on a steep tech climb would I move to any of the other more powerful modes.
Bosch currently have the strictest speed limit enforcement with the bike throwing codes. I think the ability to change the speed limit without bricking the bike would be much more appealing to the masses than a power increase.
Bosch currently have the strictest speed limit enforcement with the bike throwing codes. I think the ability to change the speed limit without bricking the bike would be much more appealing to the masses than a power increase.
bmwpowere36m3
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Its not about need, but desire... marketing. I doubt they'll go full Apple and launch new motors every year in the long-term. However, they came in HOT and are going to ride the wave hard and build on the buzz they've created.
Makes total sense to release an update and why not make it more powerful. Penetrate the market deeper and deeper. More efficient systems, battery sizing, repairability... boring. The current disruption is POWER.
Like the LLS geo trends... DJI is will force others to up their game, till a point is reached when more power isn't desirable anymore or "illusive" if they all are similar.
Makes total sense to release an update and why not make it more powerful. Penetrate the market deeper and deeper. More efficient systems, battery sizing, repairability... boring. The current disruption is POWER.
Like the LLS geo trends... DJI is will force others to up their game, till a point is reached when more power isn't desirable anymore or "illusive" if they all are similar.
To me this decision is crazy. No way I'd support worse handling to achieve better aesthetics. Form following function is the way.
No, I just think Spesh is nearly already there. They already offer more power than Bosch and 28mph speeds. But I must admit, I'm no longer a fan of any of their products but still look back at my '21 SJEvo as their (and my) high point.
For sure the extra power is stupid and unnecessary, but look at facts. From efficiency in use perspective (some reviews say, everybody calm down!), chain ring protection, reliability, service centers (not that you'd ever need it with a Bosch), weight distribution, ability to pedal when turned off & noise, the Bosch is clearly superior. Like actually MUCH better. Yet without looking at real numbers, it seems that Avinox is trouncing Bosch. I know that several manufacturers are swapping to Avinox, not because they want to, because they have to.
So, let's state the obvious, looks & max power ARE the most important attributes to the e-bike buying public. End of story.
Unfortunately, you (and Plummet) are in the minority on this topic. I have to admit, that since I want a 600w battery anyways, I too wish the 800w Bosch was long and skinny just so I had more choices for attractive looking Bosch bikes. I'd buy the LTe for example if I could get it with a skinny downtube.
I get what Bosch was doing, performance before looks. But it had the unfortunate effect of pigeon holing all of the frame designers. They either had to choose a big day & E-EWS race bike 800w battery with a fat downtube, or frankly a better looking 600w battery for us trail riders that removed a large segment of the riding public that feels they must have an 800w. Better to let the rider choose based on their preferences and both get a skinny downtube.
I'm not sure we are. I'd bet that consumer research shows 'enough' range as a top priority; and downtube thickness as significantly less important. Evidence of this belief is how many bikes have big batteries and thicc downtubes.
ctcampbell
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I can't say I've noticed anything negative on my Bullit in this regard, what would this change mean for me?
Their bike design has been "out of the game" for quite some time.
I don’t get the power wars.
I run my Shimano in trail 90% of the time.
I rented a Bosch powered bike last week in the Southern Alps and rode it in EMTB or whatever it’s called (purple).
I don’t really want or need more power. I want and need lighter batteries and motors. 85-100nm is more than enough.
I run my Shimano in trail 90% of the time.
I rented a Bosch powered bike last week in the Southern Alps and rode it in EMTB or whatever it’s called (purple).
I don’t really want or need more power. I want and need lighter batteries and motors. 85-100nm is more than enough.
Right ?
I have a hard time loving my crafty xr, because it looks like a snake that swallowed a 4x4 fence post, despite it being the best descending e-bike I've laid my hands on yet.
It checks all the boxes academically, reliable drivetrain, hot swappable batteries, outstanding geo, outstanding kinematics, reasonably lightweight... and I find myself ready to swap it out for an e druid based simply on aesthetics.
sethimus
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the other is specialized
doochenozzle
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Specialized have something coming in 2027, but nothing this year.
sethimus
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i already saw the deleted specialized university video on the upcoming software update
ozzybmx
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Looks are 100%, an ugly ebike will not sell.
We are strictly locked at 25kph/15mph here in Australia.
The ability to circumnavigate that strict limit to give us even 32kph is game changer, rolling into a jump and hitting the wall like the Bosch does is not fun, even dangerous. Even the Avinox when it hits 25kph has a bit of an elastic band effect, not cutting out like you have put the brakes on, but a gradual wind off of power.
Majority of countries get 32kph and with some brands, now the ability to select Class 3 45kph on the fly from the touchscreen.
I'm not trying to ride an electric dirt bike or an illegal ebike, the 750w is plenty but that extra 7kph from 25 to 32 would be a game changer for us and the control Bosch has at locking it out is a killer when buying a new bike.
Leave the back door unlocked Bosch, let us use a VPN. I believe that would bring Bosch/Brose back into the mix without increasing power from their preached stance of 750w.
Relocating the pickup to the rotor, just looks better. Nothing else.
I don't know if you are aware but Magura has rotors that have a magnet built in to a pre-build hole; I have one on my Relay.
But it appears, from reading reviews, that the Avinox has some advantages in how the high power is applied once already rolling. This is likey due to the 42 point (I think?) pick up.
ctcampbell
New Member
Don’t you have to run a sensor cable to near the rotor for that to work?
As an Amflow owner with about 270 Avinox miles under my belt since December, more power is not needed. I have Auto mode tuned down to 85Nm and I probably spend 90% my time in Eco mode tuned to 60Nm at 350W. Even in Auto mode detuned to 85Nm going through technical terrain you really need to be pointed in the right direction when climbing over rocks to be comfortable. I only use trail and turbo (set at default 105Nm) just to play around. I live in the desert southwest where there is more rock than dirt so your mileage may vary.
They sell a kit.
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Bosch is following Australian law, DJI is not. How fun would your amflow be over there if DJI forced you to use it with a 25kph limit?
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