sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
i'd rather have a hard thinking about how you are perceived in the rest of the world by the actions of the goverment you guys voted for.
Any News On The DJI ‘Ban’ in the US?
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There’s no moral equivalence between the CCP and US government.
RickBullotta
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I think the primary concern was surveillance, and with no camera or microphone (that we know of), the risk is minimal. I don't expect any issues with bikes moving forward. I do, however, expect (and hope for) restrictions on humanoid robots - they are a MASSIVE security risk.
A device with GPS tracking linked to a central server is by definition a surveillance device.
RickBullotta
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Right. But that's not the main concern in the drone use case. And I personally would not put a SIM card in my eMTB, ever.
Most cars since ~2015 then, and every phone, smart watch, garmin device, sat nav, smart thermostat, and probably a lot more. We’re all doomed!
RickBullotta
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Indeed, many widely used devices and products communicate with central servers. The key question, of course, is what privacy controls are in place to prevent any misuse of this data. In western democracies these controls may be a given, but more than half of the global population do not live in democracies where there are such privacy controls to prevent malicious use of data.
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Not trying to get political in this crazy train times we are experiencing here in the US, but this DJI Ban nonsense is stemming from Cheeto Jr's involvement and his stake in a US based Drone company Unusual Machines and their Gov't Military contract.....
Don Jr must be really persuasive considering this ball was advanced during the Biden administration. Cool story though.
Who do you think was sneaking the quaaludes into Biden's porridge?
Unfortunately the 78% of the American population that didn't vote for Trump have to suffer under his disastrous economic policies and general Idiocracy.
As humans we naturally group people in to easily identifiable groups, as it increased survivability in times past. But in modern times, it's best not to assume that any group (i.e. nationality, race. Religion, age, generation, education, sex, etc.) are all behaving or thinking the same.
sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
strange, a majority. there’s also one in britain regretting leaving. too many who couldn’t be arsed to vote. FAFO
An Avinox Motor System can only possibly be used as a surveillance device, if you CHOOSE to connect it to a central server. Unlike your phone, computer, smart watch, internet and wifi equipment, car, home automation, etc, etc which need to be connected to a central server to function correctly. And many of which have components manufactured in China.
The advantages of connecting your EMTB to a central server, is you get Theft Protection, Bug Fixes, Upgradeability and Ride Data. But I find it hilarious that there are some who advocate having NO CHOICE, is somehow better. I guess it takes all types .........
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Right, but I am more concerned with the introduction of the M2 motors/controllers, especially on non-Amflow bikes. I never assumed any existing product would be ‘banned’.
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^^^^this is precisely why I posted this. Not to be chicken little or Pollyanna, just a rational resource for us to share (and interpret) official information.
It's only the display that needs the FCC certification. It is the only communication device. As the existing Display is fully certified by the FCC. They could run the same display on any new motors relesed in the US.
The document from the FCC and White House is quite clear. If it is already certified. It will not be impacted. Which seems a very strange ruling if this is a National Security risk from the current existing devices. Because it solves nothing other than the development of new products.
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So, this is rumor-mill fodder, but there is chatter that this is related to Trump, Trump Jr, and commercial favoritism.
( my intent here is not to ‘go political’, but to rationally explore what might be going on) .
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( my intent here is not to ‘go political’, but to rationally explore what might be going on) .
faruk on Instagram: "No proof, no audit yet DJI BAN is here but it is worse than we expected and the crazy part is it could have been even worse. @dji @djiglobal #djiban #droneban"
211 likes, 18 comments - ayfondo on December 23, 2025: "No proof, no audit yet DJI BAN is here but it is worse than we expected and the crazy part is it could have been even worse. @dji @djiglobal #djiban #droneban".
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So, this is rumor-mill fodder, but there is chatter that this is related to Trump, Trump Jr, and commercial favoritism.
( my intent here is not to ‘go political’, but to rationally explore what might be going on) .
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faruk on Instagram: "No proof, no audit yet DJI BAN is here but it is worse than we expected and the crazy part is it could have been even worse. @dji @djiglobal #djiban #droneban"
211 likes, 18 comments - ayfondo on December 23, 2025: "No proof, no audit yet DJI BAN is here but it is worse than we expected and the crazy part is it could have been even worse. @dji @djiglobal #djiban #droneban".
How about rationally exploring the DJI ban and how it was advanced during the Biden administration instead of falling for social media chatter. It’s all publicity available information.
Whilst I see both administrations actions as purely manufacturing protection. There's advancing the ban, and there's investing in corporations that will directly gain you personal wealth by implementing the ban.
I think this is the sticking point that is gaining social media chatter. And it's magnified by the fact, that after all the bluster, the ban is a toothless tiger, in actually improving National Security. All it's going to do stop Americans seeing any advancement in Drone Technology. The Mavic 4 Pro, as a civilian professional use drone, is so far ahead of it's competition. There is little chance, with no competition anyone is going to get ahead of DJI in civilian drone technology, for anything near the cost of the Mavic 4.
So in the future the reality is. Regardless of your politics. American's will be left paying twice the price, for half the drone.
sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
and? exactly what they voted for (or couldn’t be arsed to go voting). FAFO
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The US President has unprecedented conflicts of interest in nearly every industry, but corruption is likely not the primary motivation for this ban. Chinese corporations have no rights to privacy or independence so if the government wants to audit, cultivate, or seize a company database, they can generally do so without cause, resistance, or even notification. This may be a security risk for those whose data is being captured or monitored.
Therefore, it would obviously(?) be foolish for any nation to use DJI drones to survey the majority of their own critical infrastructure (power grids, skyscrapers, military bases, shipping ports, etc.) and then create military tension with China. But here we are.
DJI might be a perfectly decent company and Trump/Biden/etc. might have perfectly legitimate causes for concern as China's oppressive corporate laws prove to have unforeseen military and economic benefits. So, while smaller countries can enjoy watching this all play out from the sidelines, America had to choose between either continuing to improve our relationship with China or encouraging them to partner with Russia instead.
Our choice to retreat into isolationism means that we now have to draw lines on what consumer product is or isn't an enemy surveillance device. Simple minds can see the potential of a Huawei, Mavic, Osmo, or even a wireless microphone to be used as a weapon of war, but it doesn't take much deeper thought to see the potential of apps like Avinox Ride being exploited either directly for surveillance or as trojan conduits to other networks. Obviously, the US can't just shut down every Chinese product since nearly every product is Chinese, but as we choose to become enemies with our primary supplier we'll have to keep trimming back on trusted devices, and DJI bikes might not be far behind microphones on that list.
Therefore, it would obviously(?) be foolish for any nation to use DJI drones to survey the majority of their own critical infrastructure (power grids, skyscrapers, military bases, shipping ports, etc.) and then create military tension with China. But here we are.
DJI might be a perfectly decent company and Trump/Biden/etc. might have perfectly legitimate causes for concern as China's oppressive corporate laws prove to have unforeseen military and economic benefits. So, while smaller countries can enjoy watching this all play out from the sidelines, America had to choose between either continuing to improve our relationship with China or encouraging them to partner with Russia instead.
Our choice to retreat into isolationism means that we now have to draw lines on what consumer product is or isn't an enemy surveillance device. Simple minds can see the potential of a Huawei, Mavic, Osmo, or even a wireless microphone to be used as a weapon of war, but it doesn't take much deeper thought to see the potential of apps like Avinox Ride being exploited either directly for surveillance or as trojan conduits to other networks. Obviously, the US can't just shut down every Chinese product since nearly every product is Chinese, but as we choose to become enemies with our primary supplier we'll have to keep trimming back on trusted devices, and DJI bikes might not be far behind microphones on that list.
sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
you just described the patriot act
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Not really. The Patriot Act is only intended to suppress American liberties - it has no significant international, military, or economic effects. China's government authority may have been born from similar ideology but this context is aimed at corporations and presumably only intended to provide local economic stability. Unfortunately, the policies are so extreme that the effects now extend far beyond their borders.
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sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
sure, that’s why european data on american servers is oh so secure
Since you have your bike connects to your phone you don’t need to share anything
,they will take whatever they need.Ironically there is ‘Something is rotten in the state of Denmark’, threatening the sovereignty of neighbours and allies, making accusations about free speech yet interfering in elections and politics.
If the dealer registers it. You don't have connect your phone to the bike. So they get nothing ........Since you have your bike connects to your phone you don’t need to share anything
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