If am not mistaken, doesn’t the Avinox system already have a setting that enables exactly that, but it turned out as not beneficial in most situations.The bike is good to go as is on Mutleys.
I was actually thinking about the engagement of motor too. Could a software update cause the motor to turn slowly when it senses your going downhill? It can sense everything else, not sure if the noise sits independent of this but if it didn't this would get rid of it in almost all scenarios. It would suck a bit of battery doing this so an on/off in the advanced feature menu would be ace. I also wondered if the free hub engagement was a software update to target reduced rattle? (It didn't)
Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI
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Taxi Man
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Not that I know of, but this motor is new to me. There is a pre hub engagement but I was talking about the system actually moving in fwd motion but much less than the rider. Same system as auto shift essentially. Keen to know more if there is.
Filth_88
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Up 660, down mutleys… DJI lap!The bike is good to go as is on Mutleys
I was actually thinking about the engagement of motor too. Could a software update cause the motor to turn slowly when it senses your going downhill? It can sense everything else, not sure if the noise sits independent of this but if it didn't this would get rid of it in almost all scenarios. It would suck a bit of battery doing this so an on/off in the advanced feature menu would be ace. I also wondered if the free hub engagement was a software update to target reduced rattle? (It didn't)
That’s exactly what they were discussing. I hear the rattle has been rectified in the new motor out next year, but it could be a work around for people on the M1. How bad is the rattle?
I could see that. They fix the rattle internally allowing them to reduce the shaft seal friction for the M1. That's a substantial upgrade.
And the M2 could be a more powerful, heavier, less expensive unit really appropriate for cargo bikes and the like that may use a different mounting pattern. I have to imagine in Asia the bike transportation market is substantial.
We'll know quite soon!
Filth_88
New Member
I think that’s the underwhelming part, forking out for such an expensive bike when the very new motor is already old tech! It would be good to know if the new motor is compatible with existing M1 frame layouts incase the motor rattle is too much to handle.
slickrock
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There are settings in the submenus to exactly control chain take-up (I'm not aware of any other motor system that provides this level of control). Whether or not it works or is effective with Rogue is another matter. The Rogue is already mid-HP with idler and Horst Link so out of the box it will be better than other most bikes that have employed this the motor. If you are running a low engagement hub or Sidekick, it may help, though with this bike sticking with a high-engagement hub may be best recipe.
Dr Shreds
New Member
Got out for my first ride today. Bike is a weapon. Where my old bike felt like it was getting out of its depth when its rough and fast this just eats it up and is super composed.
Im 178 and went with the medium and put on a 50mm stem. Bike is the perfect fit for me and glad I didn't go with the large which is what I initialy ordered. Currently running duel 29r but will look to mullet it in the future.
For jumps I found I had to drive harder to preload the suspension but on the flip side its also alot easier to maintain speed with no motor cutout. (Lucky here in NZ)
Bike turns in quick and has loads of traction. Also PB'd most runs which is crazy for a first ride on a new bike.
Im 178 and went with the medium and put on a 50mm stem. Bike is the perfect fit for me and glad I didn't go with the large which is what I initialy ordered. Currently running duel 29r but will look to mullet it in the future.
For jumps I found I had to drive harder to preload the suspension but on the flip side its also alot easier to maintain speed with no motor cutout. (Lucky here in NZ)
Bike turns in quick and has loads of traction. Also PB'd most runs which is crazy for a first ride on a new bike.
Highland Wheels
Well-known member
The motor rattle really isn't a problem, maybe on tbe early ones but mine hardly makes a noise.
"New" motor should the same mount bolts/pattern and the new screen/batteries that are coming should also be backward compatible, larger capacity in the same form size
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rabitec
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Beautiful build!
Where did you find the frame wrap for your medium frame? (Invisiframe has only size L and ride wrap does not have rogue specific wraps)
I ordered the frame kit and planed to build with the intend hover monocoque but than I saw the shock sheet from Velduro. Indend is not supported. Does anyone know if this is really true? Looking at the bike's construction, I can't imagine that being the case. I've also seen various rogues online that are equipped with unsupported shocks.
Dr Shreds
New Member
Thanks, Just bought a large kit and trimmed it down where needed. Wasn't to hard.
Filth_88
New Member
Reading people’s reviews online, there doesn’t seem to be any consistency with the rattle; maybe some people are just more sensitive to it.
Just buy a $17k NZD bike and then update the whole drive unit, that’s if the ‘should’ comes to fruition. Sounds mental.
The plot thickens!
It could easily be a misprint, but it looks like the new M2 will be the updated powerplant and maybe the M1 will just remain the same. The rumored weight gain on the M2 could just be the addition of 1 way clutch, to reduce rattle, like the Bosch has. And pretty sure the mounting pattern is the same.
The M1, might sort of be like the Gen4 Bosch by April, very functional and a great powerplant, but also the old rattly one. The M1 might very well go out of production as well since the M2 is likley a drop in.
Looks like we'll know by April at the latest!
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sethimus
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has anyone of the new owners put the frame on a scale before building it up?
Highland Wheels
Well-known member
Core 4 is an entry level spec Forbidden , so M2 would be the cheaper one that's also gonna come on the entry level alloy Amflow
I dont get the Rattly comments either. You've clearly never actually ridden one have you? Mines no noisier than any Gen 5 Bosch that you were hell bent on getting.
They (Avinox) are very uncommon in the USA, I can only go by reviews I read online that commonly state that it rattles, by varying amounts. Well, and a US biker I had some messages with that has a DJI Crestie that said he wouldn't even touch a gen2 DJI due to the rattles and ineffiency he has experienced compared to his Gen5. He told me to wait till gen3 Avinox at least.
Glad yours doesn't. That could be due to a running change, manufacturing tolerances, your rear suspension design, your hub engagement, your terrain, or even your hearing!
What you said is a possibility, that the bike manufacturers use a cheaper motor in the lower tier builds. Edited: Maybe you'r right since aren't those power numbers listed above the same as the current M1? Meaning maybe the M1 got the power increase? I don't know anymore but I know that people are already saying the new one is quieter, whichever one that is.
I'll 90% be buying the Rogue, I'm just awaiting a couple of small things to occur before I move forward as I feel the 'M2' (or whatever the updated product turns out to be) will fix my concerns with the M1. I mean, I can't even buy a Rogue today in the USA and there are even DJI concerns floating around. The grey market is the only way to obtain any DJI e-bike at the moment in the USA outside the quickly sold out 99 Crestlines.
Glad yours doesn't. That could be due to a running change, manufacturing tolerances, your rear suspension design, your hub engagement, your terrain, or even your hearing!
What you said is a possibility, that the bike manufacturers use a cheaper motor in the lower tier builds. Edited: Maybe you'r right since aren't those power numbers listed above the same as the current M1? Meaning maybe the M1 got the power increase? I don't know anymore but I know that people are already saying the new one is quieter, whichever one that is.
I'll 90% be buying the Rogue, I'm just awaiting a couple of small things to occur before I move forward as I feel the 'M2' (or whatever the updated product turns out to be) will fix my concerns with the M1. I mean, I can't even buy a Rogue today in the USA and there are even DJI concerns floating around. The grey market is the only way to obtain any DJI e-bike at the moment in the USA outside the quickly sold out 99 Crestlines.
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Highland Wheels
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Inefficiency is nonsense I'm my real experience, I ride with folk on Gen 5 Boschs, all down tuned to pretty much the same levels of power/torque similar fitness levels etc and we all run about the same battery drain in the real world, if anything mine is a couple percent better at times.
He's probably got an Amflow right? Which makes sense as my mates Amflow with the "first" gen motor is definitely louder than mine
I think at the end of the day, all the current "new" motors are pretty similar in real world use. I'd stop getting hung up on what the Internet says, find a bike you want and just buy it. Otherwise you'll be waiting til 2030 for a gen 5 Avinox and Gen 10 Bosch
He's probably got an Amflow right? Which makes sense as my mates Amflow with the "first" gen motor is definitely louder than mine
I think at the end of the day, all the current "new" motors are pretty similar in real world use. I'd stop getting hung up on what the Internet says, find a bike you want and just buy it. Otherwise you'll be waiting til 2030 for a gen 5 Avinox and Gen 10 Bosch
panaphonic
Member
First ride yesterday.
Plummet
Flash Git
I've done some hard and fast laps now on the cresty next to a mate on a rogue and they are pretty damn similar capability wise. Either one a worthy AF choice.
From my experience (there's now 4 x dji's in my group) running stock dji settings is a battery burnfest. Turning them down to bosch like output yields similar performance.
But if ya gunna push some of those turbo and boost sections at full power then expect to burn the battery accordingly.
I think the motor rattle is significantly over stated by the pedants.
Inefficiency is nonsense I'm my real experience, I ride with folk on Gen 5 Boschs, all down tuned to pretty much the same levels of power/torque similar fitness levels etc and we all run about the same battery drain in the real world, if anything mine is a couple percent better at times.
He's probably got an Amflow right? Which makes sense as my mates Amflow with the "first" gen motor is definitely louder than mine
I think at the end of the day, all the current "new" motors are pretty similar in real world use. I'd stop getting hung up on what the Internet says, find a bike you want and just buy it. Otherwise you'll be waiting til 2030 for a gen 5 Avinox and Gen 10 Bosch
I suspect there has been a running change to the current Avinox to quiet them, in fact we know for certain there has been because it was stated that there were changes with the Avinox nameplate it just was effective in some cases, and less so in others..
Either way, for more reasons than just the motor (availabilty being the largest one), I won't have my own Rogue until the Spring or even Summer time. So I'll just have to remain stoked on what you guys are doing.
But I'm more than good with the Avinox motor and I REALLY like this Rogue and the bike is the important part. In fact before I ordered my ill fated Antidote e-bike I was really into this bike but availability was still way out. I like the Horst Link, I like the I-Track, I like most of the Geo & I like the dropper insertion. Heck, even the price should be great. She's a winner!
I'm new here, and the last thing I want is to hurt your feelings! But at the same time, I can see how you're getting on many members nerves by constantly stating incorrect information! Contrary to you, I do own an Amflow and have real life experience about its efficiency, noise level, availability, number of bikes being used in the US, etc.... I can comfortably say you're incorrect in almost all of your statements!
Additionally, you can get a Rogue if you really want here in the US, I received mine Wednesday (no, I did not left the country to pick one up) this week. You not being able (or capable) sourcing one doesn't mean the rest of us can't either.
Please stop acting like you know things, many not knowing any better, might believe you.
Beliefs and opinions are not equal to facts!
Thank you!
Can you share with me how you obtained it? By PM is fine.
I was told it would be spring from my source unless I bought from Canada and took a 30% tariff.
Thanks
Unfortunately, I'm so new here, I don't have the privilege to send you a PM.
bmwpowere36m3
Member
Just post here and share the knowledge...
Sent you a PM. Thx.
Ps. The noise that I've mentioned regarding the Avinox is from count less reviews. Like the owner of this very forum and his review of the Crestline. That said it's pretty clear there have been some running updates. Same with the efficiency results although that's more vague. There are 3 published efficiency tests that bare this out and many anecdotal stories that I have heard as well. But for sure all of these tests are flawed and frankly the motor might also have been improved in this way as well. No telling.
The lack of built in chain ring protection should be obvious to anyone so I don't think that's debatable. I don't bring it up to demean anyone's choice of motor system but to simply list the considerations that go into my pro/con list regarding my own purchase choices. Some take it VERY personal however which sort of blows me away. I don't mean it that way. No product is perfect after all. My own Fazua is a turd in comparison to any of these motors, so effing what? I can acknowledge things that others are doing better. I want to hear about them actually.
sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
there is soon a proper one out, done by DEKRA Stuttgart (German test institute, similar to TÜV Süd).
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sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
i have no problem with stating wrong facts, but you often continue stating them after being called out/got corrected by real life owners. stop that and people stop getting personal about it, easy as that. btw, the same mag that does motor tests, also did a good report on the current state of semi solid state batteries, with expert opinion from Kalle (Nicolai Bikes). please read that, and update your opinion on this topic too. thx a lot
Filth_88
New Member
Interesting read.
Taxi Man
Active member
I came here to eat popcorn
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