Anyone seen one yet? Haibike ALLMTN CF 10 TRN/IQ 2025 Pinion

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mooby77 said:
Yes a review and pics , happy new bike day
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Just back from first cycle.
I really like it (thank goodness given the cost).
My feedback is just as the reviews have stated tbh. Weirdly quiet going down or coasting. But sounds like an angry swarm of bees noise in first 4 gears. Then quieter than my SL in the rest of the gears.
Changing gears when stationary is nice. You can just pedal into the changes but better to ease off the load at times. Especially between 4 and 5 and between 8 and 9.
Power in top assist mode feels the same as my full power Levo. Might actually have a bit more grunt in the first few gears.
Doesn't feel that much heavier than the Levo. This is close to 25kg so I'm not lifting it over fences but same goes for my Levo which is a few kilos lighter.
But the backend is surprisingly playful. Similar in some ways to the mullet SL but easier to keep the front wheel down going up steep incline.
If anyone has any questions let me know and I'll do my best to answer. I'm not very skilled so don't ask me about doing big jumps. 😜
 
border304 said:
Just back from first cycle.
I really like it (thank goodness given the cost).
My feedback is just as the reviews have stated tbh. Weirdly quiet going down or coasting. But sounds like an angry swarm of bees noise in first 4 gears. Then quieter than my SL in the rest of the gears.
Changing gears when stationary is nice. You can just pedal into the changes but better to ease off the load at times. Especially between 4 and 5 and between 8 and 9.
Power in top assist mode feels the same as my full power Levo. Might actually have a bit more grunt in the first few gears.
Doesn't feel that much heavier than the Levo. This is close to 25kg so I'm not lifting it over fences but same goes for my Levo which is a few kilos lighter.
But the backend is surprisingly playful. Similar in some ways to the mullet SL but easier to keep the front wheel down going up steep incline.
If anyone has any questions let me know and I'll do my best to answer. I'm not very skilled so don't ask me about doing big jumps. 😜
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Put some pics of it up so we can see if you went for the cheaper blue one or the pink one.
 
GeordieKenevo said:
Put some pics of it up so we can see if you went for the cheaper blue one or the pink one.
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Yeah the pink one lol. I figured it was worth it for the forks.
It doesn't look that pink. Might be the lighting.

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UK bike shops getting them now; preview vid with some interesting info . .
 
GeordieKenevo said:
So you are saying the battery life is noticeably less than you'd expect from an 800 battery? Hopefully it will improve once it goes through a few charging cycles
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Obviously it's pretty hard to be exact but I used 20% battery on a run I've done loads on my Turbo Levo. I tried to use the same amount of assist as normal when on the full fat Levo, to try for a fair comparison and that's what I'd use on the Levo too, 20%. But that's a smaller 500wh battery.
So I'd say don't expect the same range you'd get on a 800wh ebike with a derailleur. But obviously early days. Presumably a YouTuber will do a comparison video. Sam hopefully.
I'd only expect the battery to get worse over time?

But I love the bike so far. I'm already switching gears while stationary so didn't take long to get used to not having to pedal to change gear. It's eeirly quiet (when the motor isn't droning like a swarm of angry bees - gears 1 to 4 are the loudest).
And it generally feels like I have more than 85nm of torque. Especially in those first few gears.
 
Might settle down as the components run in. I found my motor noticeably stiffer to turn by hand after I had it rebuilt last year, couple of months on & it loosened up nicely.
 
My mate is coming down on Sat. He's similar weight and fitness. So it'll be a good comparison. Same route, same speed and roughly similar physical effort.
He's looking forward to using the Levo compared to his regular mtb so I suspect Turbo mode will be used a lot which will reduce the impact of the rider input between the two bikes.
 
RustyMTB said:
Might settle down as the components run in. I found my motor noticeably stiffer to turn by hand after I had it rebuilt last year, couple of months on & it loosened up nicely.
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I'm surprised how easy it is to pedal with no assistance. Easier than the Turbo Levo gen2.2 I think. But I'd not want to be going up hill.
In contrast the SL almost feels like a regular bike with the assistance off.
 
Turns out that the top setting (Fly) wasn't actually using all the available power. Well it is now. 😜✈️ Feels more than my full fat Levo but perhaps it's just new bike enthusiam.
Was out for almost 3hrs and used 34% battery which is actually pretty good. Lots of climbing.
Saturday will be a better test alongside another rider on the Levo.
Will report back.
 
TimC7 said:
That sounds encouraging, keep the reports coming with some stats for elevation and distance done.
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Good shout. I forgot to start my watch at the beginning of the run. But I was pretty close to the foot of Glentress when I remembered. Instead of going up the back way via forest road, I zigzagged up the single track from the trail centre.
But around 15miles and I descended 1900ft so presumably that was the elevation gain too.
 
border304 said:
My mate is coming down on Sat. He's similar weight and fitness. So it'll be a good comparison. Same route, same speed and roughly similar physical effort.
He's looking forward to using the Levo compared to his regular mtb so I suspect Turbo mode will be used a lot which will reduce the impact of the rider input between the two bikes.
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How did you get on with it this weekend @border304 ? I was up at the Golfie Sunday and the conditions were like winter trail wise
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GeordieKenevo said:
How did you get on with it this weekend @border304 ? I was up at the Golfie Sunday and the conditions were like winter trail wise
:oops:
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Yeah Saturday was a washout. Went up Glentress on Sunday. It was really busy. Turns out either my mate's fitness isn't as good as mine, or more likely he got carried away with using Turbo mode. Either way, I used 30% and he used 60%. So not the fair test I'd imagined it would be lol.
My arse was wet after Tuesday run last week. But my Mudhugger is fitted now. I never even used dry lube last year.
It was nice just hosing down the MGU with no chain to worry about.
 
border304 said:
The 800wh battery is more like 500wh on a bike which doesn't use power to change gear imo.
Back from Glentress...
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Just be aware that a battery pack will take about 20 charges before it will be operating at full capacity.
 
TimC7 said:
Source?
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You might be correct in asking for anecdotal evidence on that. Certainly the Samsung 30Q packs I had been building nearly 10 years ago definitely got better as in held their voltage levels for longer once the pack had been charged a few times ( confirmed by recording full Wh charging cycles on each pack, as in the pack would absorb a small extra amount of charge over the first 10 or so charges and then settle down to a pretty uniform charge )

Now with the latest technologies I maybe not so sure, doing a few reference checks on manufacturer data sheets they are saying that the latest cells should have zero memory effect. That’s saying they should be good to go from the first charge. As I haven’t built a new pack since 2020 ( my packs seem to be just carrying on without much loss, quite remarkably so ) then I may well be out of date on that issue.

I have to build a new 500Wh pack in the next month or so, I should be able to record charging on that new pack, could be a good experiment as such to take note of the initial few charges.
 
Waynemarlow said:
You might be correct in asking for anecdotal evidence on that. Certainly the Samsung 30Q packs I had been building nearly 10 years ago definitely got better as in held their voltage levels for longer once the pack had been charged a few times ( confirmed by recording full Wh charging cycles on each pack, as in the pack would absorb a small extra amount of charge over the first 10 or so charges and then settle down to a pretty uniform charge )

Now with the latest technologies I maybe not so sure, doing a few reference checks on manufacturer data sheets they are saying that the latest cells should have zero memory effect. That’s saying they should be good to go from the first charge. As I haven’t built a new pack since 2020 ( my packs seem to be just carrying on without much loss, quite remarkably so ) then I may well be out of date on that issue.

I have to build a new 500Wh pack in the next month or so, I should be able to record charging on that new pack, could be a good experiment as such to take note of the initial few charges.
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Goggling around, I see the Battery Management System might need a few cycles to calibrate and optimise voltages and cell balance.
 
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