Well, this is a mystery to me. How does it determine speed if the data from speed sensor is indicating a slow speed (vs real speed.) It does not have (?) its own GPS. May be comparing pedal power vs reported speed ?
The only place ì imagine you could even hope to get answers to those questions are the people who write the code for speedbox.
This is an easy one, note I'm retired embedded software engineer. The CX engine electronics has access to the output from the speedbox, but it also has access to pedal movement (cadence). The relationship between these is also reliant on choice of gear, however gears don't have unlimited range and have particular ratios, unlike a CVT. Also it needs to be noted that it's possible to move the pedals at a cadence that doesn't actually provide any effective torque, in fact you may hold pedals still at times and bike may still accelerate, if going down hill, with strong wind etc. All that said, there is obviously scope for the logic with the CX motor to determine whether there are strong indicators that a tuning device is being used. The evidence for this could become stronger as your speed gets higher and how long you maintain high speeds gets longer. While the amount of assistance to maintain 24.9KPH for 1KM may be fairly high if going up a very long uphill, if assistance is demanded continuously over say 5KM at supposedly just 24.9KM, it obviously is a good indicator that a tuning device may be in use. Just the fact that bike NEVER goes over 24.9KPH (but it used to) is yet another indicator. Personally, I don't have slush funds to test this out for myself, and can't wait until sane laws that allow reasonable speeds (32KPH to 40KPH range) come into Australia and hopefully other countries. My old ebike wasn't limited, was only 200 watts and was far less frustrating that this new one in some ways. I averaged 25KPH to 30KPH on old.
I think you are on the right track to solve this mystery to me. As a side note this 25km limit in Europe is absolutely bonkers ! You can exceed this in just a couple of pedal strokes in a flat. The other frustrating part of this jockeying between riders and Bosch, why does Bosch do everything they can to prevent us riding like we want. They follow the law and they should just shut up and let others break it on their own terms. Why torture us with all these error codes and limp modes !
Well I certainly agree with you about the silly cap on speed limits on our emtb's. I don't ride on pavement and city streets. And in the off road environment, the 15 or so mph limit is absolutely ridiculous. Even at my age I can often exceed that on my pedal only bike in many places on a trail. The local trails in my area don't prohibit emtb's, and I ride a lot of places where we can also ride dirt motorcycles. I'm not talking about hooligan behavior. I'm talking about slightly upping the speed limit in reasonable conditions.
As many have said from day one, the Bosch smart system is extremely hard to chip. Bosch will actively defeat most companies that try and alter their motors.
Yes, but it's kind of disappointing how much control "they" want to inflict when we're talking about off road mountain bikes. Seems odd when compared to dirt motorcycles where you can do just about whatever to change the tune, get more power, and go faster. I realize they have a bit of a phobia about the potential of overpowered emtb's riding among pedal-only bikes, but nearly forever, dirt motorcycles folks have been riding among wildly varied and powered dirt bikes from 125cc 4-stroke pooches to 60 horsepower 2-stroke 500cc fire breathing monsters.
But they aren't strictly off road bicycles are they? I understand different countries have different regulations on power/speed/trail usage etc but at the end of the day we are defined by those rules.
I myself get the same error code 504 now. After riding around about half a year without problems with the speedbox 3.0 but this week, waiting for the trafficlight, suddenly I see the 504 errorcode on the purion display. I did check everything but still that error code. Switching off and on a couple of times ,code was gone. But there is only power in the bike till about a 17kph, then restriction is coming in. Did you solve the problem meanwhile ?
How many miles?
I « feel » this too, measuring it should tell it for sure…
I dont see it could be done without input from Flow app or Phone GPS. All Speedbox is doing is to intercept speed sensor and report a lower speed to Bosch. Keep in mind that even if you dont use Flow it could be running in the background and talking to the motor. I think Speedbox tech can may be clarify how Bosch detects it without Flow being active. My experience so far has been that I never had any problems after months of use. I dont use Flow and Always leave it on until it shuts itself off. I had even set my speed limit to 40km and never had any problems. I dont understand why people are having so many problems. Dont update Bosch FW and dont even install Flow is the solution in my opinion.
