New Santa Cruz model

Hoping they bring out a 180/170 or a 170/170 model with same shape and layout - there's definitely room in there for a longer shock without it impacting standover/frame shape or having to have the shock at some weird angle like Pivot's Shuttle LT - maybe at the cost of that tool/accessory mount.

I think it looks nice and low slung - like a more refined shape version of the repeater.
 
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Dirtnvert said:
The shock along the toptube makes more sense and the bike will ride better. Shock weight is much less than a battery extender or a bottle of water so i'd prefer to have that heavier weight towards the center and lower
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Yeah but it looks ugly and I really ever have understood the concept of range extender.
 
Bndit said:
Yeah but it looks ugly and I really ever have understood the concept of range extender.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say. Winning and popularity will influence that though so eventually correct function will look better. Win on sunday, sell on monday they say as well
I'd like a bosch with a 600w battery with an extender option because 60% of my days a lighter bike with just a 600w battery is the best ride quality and all the power ill need. The other 40% iis a longer ride and ill need the extender. Generally i know what type of ride ill be doing but some i end up doing more than planned and have to use a lower power mode to get home. Bosch 600w will get me a longer ride than my current 540w battery on a shimano and more flexibility. With the extender and 850w i could do anything i want to do any day all in boost
 
ehfour said:
I missed it- this is to replace the Heckler? or to add to the line up? is this also an SL or FF?
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I’m guessing somewhere between, 20-21kg with full fat motor? Maybe we need a new category between SL and FF - Dad Bod
 
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irie said:
As said before, for many riders the eMTB "sweet spot" is a well equipped 20-21kg bike with a full fat motor.
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You mean a dad bod is inevitable?
 
Mudrider said:
santa cruz has lost there way, they got rid of the one thing that made there bike unique apart from crestline, now it just looks like say a lightcarbon bike! the shimano motor was killing there brand before, the ep801 is actually pretty sound apart from being able to service it and now they've done this, madness!
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Wow. Take a breath. I think it looks great, and I’m sure the engineers know what they’re doing!
 
Lightme said:
Wow. Take a breath. I think it looks great, and I’m sure the engineers know what they’re doing!
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They've been doing VPP for so long that going back to a more traditional linkage is probably pretty foreign to them.

They would need to knock it out of the park, not just be on par with the rest.
 
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Not really what I was getting at but it’s still a nice bike. Not available in the UK either sadly so would be hard to get hold of and demo beforehand.

Maybe that’ll change one day, be interesting to see if they give it the next gen Bosch too.

I like the shape of this new SC, it’s low slung. Also way easier to clean and keep running sweet when you don’t have the shock running through a hole in your front triangle.
 
TurdFarmer said:
They've been doing VPP for so long that going back to a more traditional linkage is probably pretty foreign to them.

They would need to knock it out of the park, not just be on par with the rest.
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I really don’t think that’s the case - I’m sure they know what they’re doing. If Crestline can nail a VPP, then I’m sure SC can make this platform work.
 
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It’s about time, vpp was just a gimmick to get around the specialized fsr patten that is now over. I am wondering how progressive suspension curves are.
 
i know its not great in the eu, but in the usa the transition relay is a great 170/170 four bars light ebike with a ride60 and its been on sale for a while now, making the price fairly decent.

note that another advantage of this design is that you can put any dropper in most sizes bikes, so like 210mm on medium or large, no problem.

id say that a disadvantage vs vpp is that bearings are exposed. you literally tape vpp bearings and nearly never replace them but four bar designs mean external bearings and a lot of spaces and gap for dust to go in. still the better tradeoff on ebikes imo but not always on pedal bikes.
 
TurdFarmer said:
It was hardly a gimmick. Have you ever owned a virtual pivot style bike? They definitely work.
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Broke two hight towers, one of the reasons I don’t ride plastic anymore. VPP and DW link bikes are what I call double triangle bikes. That is when you take the frames apart you have a a front triangle and a rear triangle. A 4 bar link ( Hurst link) has a front triangle and a seat stay and chain stay. A hurst link bike will alway be lighter than a double triangle bike. With the low shock design you also limit dropper posts. Out of meat powered bikes, I would say the best designs out there is the Transition bikes, the Sentinel, Patrol and the Spire are dam near perfect. The only company that comes close is Knolly, I just dislike superboost.
 
how you manage to break two hightowers? i got an old megatower and ride it hard. I could not imagine how to break this thing... But i broke multiple AL bikes.
 
mustclime said:
Broke two hight towers, one of the reasons I don’t ride plastic anymore. VPP and DW link bikes are what I call double triangle bikes. That is when you take the frames apart you have a a front triangle and a rear triangle. A 4 bar link ( Hurst link) has a front triangle and a seat stay and chain stay. A hurst link bike will alway be lighter than a double triangle bike. With the low shock design you also limit dropper posts. Out of meat powered bikes, I would say the best designs out there is the Transition bikes, the Sentinel, Patrol and the Spire are dam near perfect. The only company that comes close is Knolly, I just dislike superboost.
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Dude... The extra carbon used to make up the rear triangle would weigh next to nothing when stacked up against a 4 bar.

You breaking 2 Hightowers and talking about a minuscule amount of extra weight is not a justification for calling a virtual pivot bike a gimmick... that's not what virtual pivot was ever about.
 
TurdFarmer said:
Dude... The extra carbon used to make up the rear triangle would weigh next to nothing when stacked up against a 4 bar.

You breaking 2 Hightowers and talking about a minuscule amount of extra weight is not a justification for calling a virtual pivot bike a gimmick... that's not what virtual pivot was ever about.
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Is the their light weight xc race bike VPP? That’s not how I remember the Blur….😂
Now that that Dutch company fired all of the old school guys at the top of Santa Cruz, I expect to see vpp slowly phased out.
 
franciscoasismm said:
VPP (Virtual Pivot Point) with which he intended that the contamination between pedaling and suspension was minimal. After years of praise for its smooth operation, the rest of the companies are bringing to market different variations on the original system, since it is protected by patents.

The system consists of a one-piece rear swingarm attached to the front triangle by two linkages, one upper and one lower, which rotate in opposite directions. This means that when pedaling, an expansion force is generated that neutralizes the tendency to sink with pedaling. Its name virtual or floating pivot is due to the fact that the movement of both linkages causes the swingarm pivot point to vary depending on compression, i.e. there is no well-defined pivot point as in classic systems.

The good tuning of the system is important for it to function optimally
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Thanks , im fairly familiar with them. Ive owned several sc bikes (og heckler, 2 x bullits and a super 8 ) but none of their vpp bikes although ive ridden a nomad a fair bit and owned an intense 951 for a couple years.
Theyre definitely sag dependant to find the sweet spot. All the floating rear triangle bikes have their advantages but personally i prefer the predictability of a four bar horst link bike. The consistent axle path i find easier to feel where the rear tire is and how it will react throughout the travel. That being said im sure the latest vpp/v10 is much better than my 951 or my buddies nomad.
Fun fact: i raced against one of the inventors of the vpp before they sold it to santa cruz. '94 or 95' it was on an "outland" bike. I think those bikes were 5 or 6 inches of rear travel with a 3 or 4 inch rock shox judy on the front. Jamie Calon(inventor) was a dh pinner with a checkers or wreckers style that had stunning speed when he put it together. The theory with the bike was it could have more travel in the back because it pedalled so well and it kind of worked. At that time suspension bikes were still quite new but they had roadies turned xc riders from the city that they sponsored and all of a sudden those guys were up front at the races. I remember them previous to having those bikes and they were pilons on the race course. They couldnt make it over the smalles log or root. It was amazing they ever finished a race. A year on the outland bike and they had some skill to go with their fitness. Still amazed that much travel could win an xc race in a competitive field, especially in the mid 90's
 
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