First we had e-bike class wars, now we got brand class wars.

[maynard]

And what about Rangers? Careful I have one LOL.

Ford rangers ? Arguably the best looking ute . Awesome handling off road. Too many annoying beepers though . That's all modern vehicles though.

 

[High Rock Ruti]

High Rock Ruti

I've owned Turbo Levo expert (2015) Pivot shuttle (2016) Turbo Levo S works (2019) Trek Rial 9.8 2020 and Orbea Wild FS team (2020). The Pivot is a great handling bike even 4 years later. All have been great riding bikes, admittedly the newer bikes ride better the biggest difference seems to be suspension and geometry although my understanding of it is crude, short chain stays, slack front end, steep seat tube. Maybe next year I'll add stack height, whatever that means?

 

[maynard]

High Rock Ruti

I've owned Turbo Levo expert (2015) Pivot shuttle (2016) Turbo Levo S works (2019) Trek Rial 9.8 2020 and Orbea Wild FS team (2020). The Pivot is a great handling bike even 4 years later. All have been great riding bikes, admittedly the newer bikes ride better the biggest difference seems to be suspension and geometry although my understanding of it is crude, short chain stays, slack front end, steep seat tube. Maybe next year I'll add stack height, whatever that means?

I own 2019 levo expert . I find the turning circle to be huge. How would u compare it to the pivot and the trec ?

 

[High Rock Ruti]

I own 2019 levo expert . I find the turning circle to be huge. How would u compare it to the pivot and the trec ?

High Rock Ruti

The Pivot has been a great bike very dependable, motor plug became loose silicone in place same motor over 4K miles. I put a 29er on the front which helped roll over a little, but made turning radius slightly wider, but with level ground I can turn around in about 8 feet looking ahead of the turn and pedaling through the turn. The rear end on the pivot is DW link it is noticeably better than all the bikes that don't have it. I've gotten better at tight turns over the years track stands as always are a key skill to NOT PUTTING MY FEET DOWN.

Warm Regards

Ruti

 

[maynard]

High Rock Ruti

The Pivot has been a great bike very dependable, motor plug became loose silicone in place same motor over 4K miles. I put a 29er on the front which helped roll over a little, but made turning radius slightly wider, but with level ground I can turn around in about 8 feet looking ahead of the turn and pedaling through the turn. The rear end on the pivot is DW link it is noticeably better than all the bikes that don't have it. I've gotten better at tight turns over the years track stands as always are a key skill to NOT PUTTING MY FEET DOWN.

Warm Regards

Ruti

Ummm that doesn't answer my question. I find my levo not very manoeuvrable compared to say my hard tail cube . I was wondering if you noticed the difference between ur bikes ?

 

[Beanoangel]

I dont think there is brand snobbery, but i do think there is component snobbery, not just in EMTB but MTB in general, I mean lets face it who the hell can hell the difference between a Kashima coated fork and a normal one?

The Kashima one is gold ??