VOLspeed V4 compatibility with eBike motors at 35km/h?

[Jnos]

Which e-bike motor does the VOLspeed V4 work with completely error-free if someone often rides at 35 km/h?

 

[Greg Watts]

Hey everyone, vOLspeed V4 nél mely ebike motornál müködik teljes hiba nélkül ha 35km h vel teker valaki sürün

Üdv @Jnos, és üdvözlünk a fórumon! A VOLspeed V4 kompatibilitása motortípusonként változik, és fontos tudni, hogy nem egy univerzális chip létezik, hanem több különálló verzió különböző motorokhoz.

A VOLspeed V4 jelenleg Bosch, Yamaha és Giant rendszerekhez érhető el. Íme a fő változatok:

• Bosch Gen2/Gen3/Gen4 (nem Smart System): Kompatibilis az összes Bosch motorral (2013 - 2023), beleértve az Active Line, Active Line Plus, Performance Line, Performance CX Line motort, a 4. generációs motorokat is.

FONTOS: NEM kompatibilis a 2022-es új Smart System (BES3) rendszerrel. A Smart Systemhez külön VOLspeed V2 modul kell.

• Giant SyncDrive: Giant márkájú eBike-okkal működik SyncDrive Sport (70Nm), SyncDrive Pro (80Nm), SyncDrive Core/Life motorokkal.

NEM kompatibilis a SyncDrive Pro2 (85Nm) és Sport2 (75Nm) motorokkal. • Yamaha: A Yamaha motorokhoz (PW-X, PW-X2, PW-X3, PW-SE, PW-ST stb.) a VOLspeed V3 szükséges, nem V4.

Ami a 35 km/h-t illeti: a VOLspeed maga is régóta azt javasolja, hogy ne állítsa 35 km/h fölé a limitet, hogy biztonságosan elkerülje a manipuláció-felismerést (504-es hiba).

A V4-es modullal eddig egyetlen ügyfélnél sem lépett fel 504-es hiba, bár a V3-nál sem volt gyakori, még ha sokan 35 km/h feletti limitet is állítottak.

 

[Jnos]

Did any type of error code or error occur?

 

[Greg Watts]

Did any type of error code or error occur?

To directly answer your question, @Jnos: at 35 km/h the VOLspeed V4 has an excellent track record on Bosch (non-Smart System) motors.

None of VOLspeed's customers has had a 504 tamper detection error with the V4 module, and in the past there were hardly any problems with manipulation detection up to a limit of 35 km/h, and VOLspeed's improvements in the V4 mean a 504 error should no longer occur even in the 35-45 km/h range.

That said, it's not a cast-iron guarantee. There are simply too many factors that influence whether the error occurs, and VOLspeed advises not to set the limit higher than absolutely necessary.

Real-world forum reports back this up: riders on our own forum have logged thousands of kilometres at 35 km/h with zero errors. One member ran a CX Gen 4 with the V3 at 38 km/h for 500 km with no errors.

Another reported two 504 errors on a V3, but that was at 45 km/h on a commuter route doing repeated flat-out runs.

The key risk factors are: riding at sustained high speed on flat roads (commuting), running Turbo mode constantly, and updating your Bosch firmware without checking VOLspeed compatibility first.

VOLspeed advises against software updates to the drive system, as updated tamper detection could recognise the tuning or prevent functionality entirely.

If you stick to 35 km/h, ride mixed terrain (climbs and descents, not just flat motorway-style riding), and avoid unnecessary firmware updates, the probability of any error is extremely low.

 

[Jnos]

On the Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10 900Wh electric bike there is a Panasonic GX Ultimate motor, so if I install some kind of speed chip, will this motor not restrict or lock me out?

 

[Greg Watts]

On the Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10 900Wh electric bike there is a Panasonic GX Ultimate motor, so if I install some kind of speed chip, will this motor not restrict or lock me out?

Good news, @Jnos - there are tuning options for the Panasonic GX Ultimate, but the VOLspeed V4 specifically is not one of them. The V4 only comes in versions for Bosch (Gen2/Gen3/Gen4, non-Smart System) and Giant SyncDrive motors.

It's compatible with all Bosch motors from 2013 - 2023, and works with Giant SyncDrive Sport, Pro, Core and Life, but there's no VOLspeed V4 variant for Panasonic.

That said, the Panasonic GX Ultimate on your Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10 pushes 95Nm of torque with 750W peak, so it's a decent motor. And several chips do support it:

• SpeedBox 1.0 for Panasonic - compatible with GX0, GX Ultimate, GX Ultimate Pro, GX Power Plus and GX Ultimate Pro FIT. The basic option.

It doubles the speed limit from 25 km/h to 50 km/h, but the trade-off is the actual speed will be displayed in half values. Always active once installed, no on/off toggle.

• SpeedFun Furious Evo for Panasonic - designed for Panasonic GX0, X0, X1, GX Ultimate, GX Power Plus, GX Power and GX Ultimate Pro Fit motors. More refined than the SpeedBox.

Can be activated and deactivated at any time, which is a big plus if you want to switch it off for dealer visits or group rides.

• PearTune 4.0 for Panasonic - compatible with all e-bikes with Panasonic mid-mounted motors without FIT system, including Kellys, Crussis, LeaderFox. They specifically mention Crussis, which is encouraging.

 

[Jnos]

I want to chip-tune my Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10, but won’t the Panasonic motor restrict or disable it?

 

[Greg Watts]

I want to chip-tune my Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10, but won’t the Panasonic motor restrict or disable it?

@Jnos, I covered this in my previous reply, but to put it simply: no, the Panasonic GX Ultimate motor on your Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10 should not restrict or lock you out when you install a compatible tuning chip. The key word there is compatible.

Additionally, the search results confirm what I said earlier: the Panasonic GX Ultimate is well supported by tuning chips and none of these products report motor lockouts or restriction errors. The Panasonic system doesn't have the aggressive tamper detection that Bosch's Smart System uses, so the risk of the motor restricting or disabling itself is very low.

Your best option for the Crussis ONE-Largo 9.10 is the PearTune 4.0 for Panasonic. It's specifically compatible with Panasonic mid-mounted motors without FIT system, and the product page explicitly mentions Kellys, Crussis, and LeaderFox bikes.

That's a direct match for your bike. It lets you set the maximum assisted speed to an individual value rather than just doubling it blindly, and it shows the correct speed on the display. You can also activate and deactivate the tuning via the buttons on your display, so you're not stuck with it permanently on.

The SpeedBox 1.0 is cheaper but cruder: it doubles the speed limit to 50 km/h, but the display shows half values, and it's always active once installed. The SpeedFun Furious Evo sits somewhere in between, with on/off capability