Stance e+2 2023 - LIV Embolden

[skorp_jon]

Frame
Frame: ALUXX SL-Grade aluminium, 125mm travel FlexPoint suspension system, 12x148mm thru-axle, UDH hanger
Fork: SR Suntour XCR 34 LO-R, 140mm travel, tapered steerer, Lockout, 110x15 thru-axle
Shock: SR Suntour Raidon R, custom tuned

Electronics
Motor: SyncDrive Sport 2, 75Nm, powered by Yamaha
Battery: EnergyPak Smart 625Wh EnergyPak Plus range extender compatible
Controls: RideControl Dash
Display: RideControl Dash, full colour lcd screen
Charger: EnergyPak 4A smart charger compact

Components
Handlebar: Giant Connect TR Riser 31.8mm
Grips: Giant Tactal single lock-on
Stem: Giant Contact
Seat Post: Giant 30.9mm, 2-bolt Micro Adjustable, alloy
Saddle: Giant Sport
Pedals: Aluminium Platform

Drivetrain
Shifters: Shimano Deore LinkGlide
Front Derailleur: MRP HD2 co-moulded chain guide
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore LinkGlide, 10-speed
Brakes: Tektro HD-M745 Orion, 4-piston, hydraulic disc, (F) 203mm, (R) 203mm
Brake Levers: Tektro HD-M745 Orion
Cassette: Shimano LinkGlide, CS-LG400-10, 11-43T, 10-speed
Chain: Shimano, LinkGlide, CN-LG500
Crankset: FSA Comet E-Bike crank arm setFSA MegaTooth Direct-mount 1X steel 36T

Wheels
Rims: Giant AM 29", Tubeless ready
Hubs: Giant eTracker Boost,
Spokes: Stainless steel
Tyres: [F] Maxxis Minion DHF 29X2.50"foldable, TLR, EXO, 60TPI [R] Maxxis Dissector 29X2.40"WT foldable, TLR, EXO, 60TPI

Other
Lock: Torx 25 Battery Lock with built-in Torque limiter

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[jeanmarc]

Is this still under embargo or has it been officially announced? If so, which Country's website? Thanks!

 

[skorp_jon]

I saw it on australian web page. They say in stock for M and XL models.

here it is:

Giant Stance E+ 2 2023

Steep climbs, technical descents, longer days on the trail. With a smooth suspension setup and a seamless boost of pedalling support, this E-bike gives you the power and technology to ride the trails you dream about. Designed with trail-friendly geometry, Stance E+ helps beginner or intermediate...

www.bicyclesuperstore.com.au

 

[Haveland]

Oh wow, they have a few 2023 models I haven't seen yet on their site.

 

[skorp_jon]

LIV Embolden E+ 1 25km/h M Soap Suds 2023​

also some photo of E+2 .

I can buy e+1 in our shop, but giant has no info on their webpage.

 

[Kiwi Giant]

The 2023 Stance E+2 is listed in NZ at NZ$6999, it comes with the 625Wh battery and comes with a pretty cheap and nasty SR Suntour Raidon R shock, previously this was the lower end but quality RockShox Monarch R. The front fork remains the same from previous years models with a SR Suntour XCR 34 LO-R 140mm which is also pretty low spec'ed. To put this in perspective I paid NZ$5799 in 2021 for my Stance E+2 with a 500Wh battery and the 2022 model with very similar specs to the 2021 is selling on runout at the moment here for NZ$5599 (was retailing before runout for NZ$6399).

Other than the RideControl Dash, full colour lcd screen I don't see any other improvements other than a slightly larger battery (500Wh to 625Wh) for the additional $1200. It remains a 10 speed but the rear cassette changes from an 11-46T to 11-43T which I feel is a retrograde step, the crankset looks pretty similar with a 36T chainring . There is also a change to the motor, now listed as a SyncDrive Sport 2 75Nm, previously was a SyncDrive Sport at 70Nm.

 

[jeanmarc]

Motor is probably based on the newer PWX3 so smaller and lighter, the other big difference is new more modern geometry. I don't see the 2023 Stance or Embolden on the Giant NZ site?

 

[Kiwi Giant]

I believe it is based on the new PWseries S2 (PW-S2) drive unit with a maximum torque of 75Nm that Yamaha say is 7% higher than the PWseries ST (PW-ST) used in the Stance 2021 & 2022. It weights 2.85kg against the 3.4kg of the PW-ST. As my 2 year warranty comes to an end mid-year I was considering rolling over my Stance but I'm not sure I can justify the additional $1200 for some geometry changes, a new controller, a poorer shock and a less appealing cassette. Hopefully I'd be able to take my front & rear Fox suspension setup over but I can't see the rear shock size anywhere. I already own an 800Wh battery so there's no improvement there...

Evo Cycles & Cycle Science and Pushbikes are all showing the 2023 Stance in stock so I'd assume Giant in Wellington will be able to source as well.

PWseries S2

Powerful, quiet and lightweight multi-purpose unit.

global.yamaha-motor.com

 

[jeanmarc]

I believe it is based on the new PWseries S2 (PW-S2) drive unit with a maximum torque of 75Nm that Yamaha say is 7% higher than the PWseries ST (PW-ST) used in the Stance 2021 & 2022. It weights 2.85kg against the 3.4kg of the PW-ST. As my 2 year warranty comes to an end mid-year I was considering rolling over my Stance but I'm not sure I can justify the additional $1200 for some geometry changes, a new controller, a poorer shock and a less appealing cassette. Hopefully I'd be able to take my front & rear Fox suspension setup over but I can't see the rear shock size anywhere. I already own an 800Wh battery so there's no improvement there...

Evo Cycles & Cycle Science and Pushbikes are all showing the 2023 Stance in stock so I'd assume Giant in Wellington will be able to source as well.

PWseries S2

Powerful, quiet and lightweight multi-purpose unit.

global.yamaha-motor.com

I understand, $1,200 is a lot...

 

[jeanmarc]

New 2023 Embolden and Stance on Giant Canada website this morning. E+2 and E+1 Pro