Orbea Wild Tune

[Bomble]

All the reviews of the new Wild praise the new tune but what issue has it actually fixed?
I’ve never seen anyone critique the power delivery of the Avinox, in fact every review says it’s amazing, usually pointing out that’s one of it’s strengths, as well as the power/ torque.
Alex bike test guy brought it up but I think he’s the only one I’ve ever seen.
I’ve ridden the M1 but not the latest motor, what is the power delivery issue it has that needed improving?

 

[johnnystorm]

All the reviews of the new Wild praise the new tune but what issue has it actually fixed?
I’ve never seen anyone critique the power delivery of the Avinox, in fact every review says it’s amazing, usually pointing out that’s one of it’s strengths, as well as the power/ torque.
Alex bike test guy brought it up but I think he’s the only one I’ve ever seen.
I’ve ridden the M1 but not the latest motor, what is the power delivery issue it has that needed improving?

This was covered in the other threads but they're so fast moving the points can get buried quickly! Rob covers it and linked back to comments he'd made about Avinox in the past. There's no shortage of power once youre going but the starting input can be a bit off. The Orbea tune makes for a more stable and reliable shove from slow speed or on techy climbs, at least that was my understanding. This might be a good question for Greg...

 

[mike425]

All the reviews of the new Wild praise the new tune but what issue has it actually fixed?
I’ve never seen anyone critique the power delivery of the Avinox, in fact every review says it’s amazing, usually pointing out that’s one of it’s strengths, as well as the power/ torque.
Alex bike test guy brought it up but I think he’s the only one I’ve ever seen.
I’ve ridden the M1 but not the latest motor, what is the power delivery issue it has that needed improving?

The avinox is great, but a lot of reviews aren't really that these days.

I know a youtuber that has the new amflow. In his videos he raves about it - as that's why he was given it.

If you speak to him personally, he thinks it's a decent bike, but would buy a load of other bikes before it.

 

[xtraman122]

Like @johnnystorm its supposedly just more responsive and aggressive at initial startup and very low cadence. The one fault Rob and Alex agreed on was a lack of low and lunch needed on climbs and initial starts and this modified tune supposedly helps with that.

 

[BikeBert]

Funny how every early review of the M2S sounded exactly the same: "super quiet", "no rattles", "best motor ever", "game changer". Apparently every reviewer received the one magical Avinox that never rattles.

Personally, I'd wait for the unpaid beta testers. Especially the angry ones. They tend to provide much more useful long-term data than people who had the bike for a weekend and a camera pointed at them.

 

[xtraman122]

Funny how every early review of the M2S sounded exactly the same: "super quiet", "no rattles", "best motor ever", "game changer". Apparently every reviewer received the one magical Avinox that never rattles.

Personally, I'd wait for the unpaid beta testers. Especially the angry ones. They tend to provide much more useful long-term data than people who had the bike for a weekend and a camera pointed at them.

What does rattling have to do with the RS tune?

 

[still20]

Funny how every early review of the M2S sounded exactly the same: "super quiet", "no rattles", "best motor ever", "game changer". Apparently every reviewer received the one magical Avinox that never rattles.

Personally, I'd wait for the unpaid beta testers. Especially the angry ones. They tend to provide much more useful long-term data than people who had the bike for a weekend and a camera pointed at them.

That angry Alex bike tester has had an Avinox motor or two on his channel and doesn't mention rattle, unless I missed that one, can only handle small portions of his content

 

[notaninfluencer]

That angry Alex bike tester has had an Avinox motor or two on his channel and doesn't mention rattle, unless I missed that one, can only handle small portions of his content

I walk around all day with red mist...

 

[Suns_PSD]

The avinox is great, but a lot of reviews aren't really that these days.

I know a youtuber that has the new amflow. In his videos he raves about it - as that's why he was given it.

If you speak to him personally, he thinks it's a decent bike, but would buy a load of other bikes before it.

Right here, is the reality of the situation summed up succinctly.
The fact that influencers portrayed, and as a result buyers thought, that the M1 in a first gen Amflow was superior to anything at all is a testament to the power of media. Here's your rattling, inefficient, no parts support Class 2+ motor in a flexy frame with light duty trail parts. Yea!

 

[xtraman122]

Right here, is the reality of the situation summed up succinctly.
The fact that influencers portrayed, and as a result buyers thought, that the M1 in a first gen Amflow was superior to anything at all is a testament to the power of media. Here's your rattling, inefficient, no parts support Class 2+ motor in a flexy frame with light duty trail parts. Yea!

There’s no noticeable difference in efficiency lol, it’s a matter of the motor more aggressively putting out assist that just burns through battery quicker. No human rider test will be nearly accurate enough to measure any difference in efficiency on the scale of 1-2%.

 

[Eckythump]

Would be cool if this thread could morph into one where folk share attempts to mimic the RS tune on the regular M2S.

 

[xtraman122]

Would be cool if this thread could morph into one where folk share attempts to mimic the RS tune on the regular M2S.

The things they changed are things supposedly outside the controls you have in the app, stuff that’s more hard coded as a part of the firmware.

 

[Eckythump]

The things they changed are things supposedly outside the controls you have in the app, stuff that’s more hard coded as a part of the firmware.

I’m sure people will try and/or there will be a DJI update on the way.

 

[Suns_PSD]

There’s no noticeable difference in efficiency lol, it’s a matter of the motor more aggressively putting out assist that just burns through battery quicker. No human rider test will be nearly accurate enough to measure any difference in efficiency on the scale of 1-2%.

Yah. The pedaling the cranks when the motor is off through molasses feeling doesn't exist, nor Avinox's own admissions that the M2 was improved in this regard even though the gears being altered would make no difference in this regard. Hint, it was tight crank seals put in place to reduce rattle.
But I'll acknowledge that it's only around 25-40 watts of resistance. Hardly anything percent wise, when you're cranking out 1000 watts on a test bench. Still statistically significant if your ride averages 250 watts.

 

[Brawwp]

Right here, is the reality of the situation summed up succinctly.
The fact that influencers portrayed, and as a result buyers thought, that the M1 in a first gen Amflow was superior to anything at all is a testament to the power of media. Here's your rattling, inefficient, no parts support Class 2+ motor in a flexy frame with light duty trail parts. Yea!

Tell me again how many Avinox bikes you rode? Oh zero right? You’re going to complain about media guys when you are literally the biggest spewer of false information and Avinox hate on this forum. You act like the Avinox expert every single day on here with ZERO experience on one. But yeah let’s blame the media that apparently can no way like Avinox without being it being fake bias.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Tell me again how many Avinox bikes you rode? Oh zero right? You’re going to complain about media guys when you are literally the biggest spewer of false information and Avinox hate on this forum. You act like the Avinox expert every single day on here with ZERO experience on one. But yeah let’s blame the media that apparently can no way like Avinox without being it being fake bias.

If I was REALLY mad I'd post today's MX race results before you could turn away. That'd show you good!

 

[Mario Antony]

A new can of worms....