Agreed! The Levo SL 2 has a ton of changes, including the new motor.What I’m trying to say, is that you don’t HAVE to use more battery on the 1.2 than the 1.1.
And the ability to whack it up to a more powerful 100% if you needed a boost on a tough techy climb.Agreed! The Levo SL 2 has a ton of changes, including the new motor.
But the new Kenevo SL 2 only changes the motor system, so the only changes on the new bike is the more powerful, quieter motor. So if you ran the new bike at similar settings to the old one, to preserve battery, the only benefit you'll get for your extra cash spent on the new bike is a quieter motor.
Where would this technical miracle honestly come from :- ) ? Not disputing it's torquey (higher limit) and more silent (better casing), but there is no internal change apparently that would achieve efficiency difference.due to the slightly more efficient motor.
What other components / tyres you running?Very honest and informative review @Rob Rides EMTB! Greatly appreciated! How did you manage to get your FF Kenevo to sub 23 kg? My S3 is 23,7kg without pedals and the weight penalty of the EXT coil shox over the X2 already deducted. I am running aluminium DT swiss wheels. Other components are pretty much the same. Your carbon wheels can't make a 800gr difference, can they?
I think it was in the video Rob put out when the SL1.2 motor was first announced - when he was discussing it with the guy from Specializeds E division (I've been trying to remember his name for about 10 mins now, and have given up - Marcus / Marco maybe?). I'm pretty sure in that video, he said the 1.2 engine (as he called it) was more efficient than the 1.1.Where would this technical miracle honestly come from :- ) ? Not disputing it's torquey (higher limit) and more silent (better casing), but there is no internal change apparently that would achieve efficiency difference.
Efficiency difference is rather moot in between different engines across brands as well, it just seems to be something both reviewers and riders convinced themselves to be technical fact, when it's placebo or straight up make belief at best. I don't see anyone doing lab testing with equivalency, so it's just "brand XY said so".
Still, keeping hope they'll offer the engine as upgrade option at some point.
Actually I wonder if some after-market service brand could offer the milled casing as well as stand-alone upgrade for the noise-proofing.
Think it was Marco and yes, reference was made to it being more efficient.I think it was in the video Rob put out when the SL1.2 motor was first announced - when he was discussing it with the guy from Specializeds E division (I've been trying to remember his name for about 10 mins now, and have given up - Marcus / Marco maybe?). I'm pretty sure in that video, he said the 1.2 engine (as he called it) was more efficient than the 1.1.
It may be some more marketing BS - much like "whisper" quiet... or something it could be something as simple as the 1.2 dissipates heat better making it more efficient?
I personally have noticed a few more % left at the end of my ride (same route I've done for many years)... but that could be down to the 30/80 on my SL 1.1 motor not being EXACTLY the same as the 15/30 setting I'm running on the SL 1.2. It FEELS the closest match to me... but it might be slightly different.
I don't have the SL 1.1 anymore, so can't run stats / numbers I'm afraid.
Fox 38 180mmWhat other components / tyres you running?
Ah very interesting to see how it adds up. Thx for clarifying!+70g on dropper post (I have the 31.6 shimmed, you have 34.9 by the look of it)
+62g on AXS vs mine which is cables
+60g on rotors (MDR-P are heavier I believe than standard SRAM)
+300g ish on wheels
+200g on tyres (mine weighted with Kryptotal which are a bit lighter than Maxxis)
At a quick glance, some small additions...
Exactly - more efficient could be marketing BS for 0.0001% more efficiency. Technically it IS more efficient, however the difference is so small that no one is going to notice it... but they might as well claim it!Think it was Marco and yes, reference was made to it being more efficient.
I think the 1.1 was 80% and presume the 1.2 is probably the same. BUT .. when they say more efficient, do they necessarily mean the electrical to mechanical conversion or more efficient in the way it produces power for the rider ? So for similar scenarios, it might use slightly less power to achieve the same/similar results by feeding power in slightly slower for example ? Or it could be that it's 80.00009% efficient now
I don't think I can get away with sitting watching this at work... so it'll have to wait until this evening! Well done on finding it so quickly thoughI don't think there was an explanation about the efficiency.. or maybe there was and my brain glossed over that bit with "yeah yeah yeah".
This is much closer to my setup regarding components and overall weight. Riddle is solved. ;-)
So no particular reason stated - it just does?!From 9.45 ish.
"This engine was designed at higher efficiency still than the old engine and they're between five even up to ten percent depending on your Rider Cadence. So we have in theory if you ride full power full turbo - a bit less range than the previous version, but we're going faster we're having a higher efficiency.
So as a comparison if you ride the first generation and second generation and you set the value of the assistance to 200 Watts motor power then you will go further with the new version.
Why ? because it has a higher efficiency"
Probably not the answer you're looking for, but here's where the info came from!Where would this technical miracle honestly come from :- )
It really isRob said it ride: even that it is a real monster on the trails, especially in the downhills
It really is
I hope to see
- 400Wh battery at same battery weight (definitely possible with 22700 cells)
- Revised frame with better seatpost insertion and at least 78 degree seat tube angle
- longer CS (size specific)
the bike rides great as is, but definitely would like at a minimum a better seat post depth, considering the enduro and DH capabilities it’s such a shame that it gets in the way.
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